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Re: My Quicksilver 2002 doesnt like MorphOS
« on: August 17, 2011, 11:39:11 PM »
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When I boot up the MOS cdrom starts and gives me this message:

Quark/Openfirmware
console failed
System: Rev <>
CPU0: Version 0x8000 Revision 0x201
CPU0: CPUClock 799999998 BUSClock 133160004

Then the screen goes black, some more cdrom activity is heard and my monitor yells unsupported resolution. And there ends my MOS experience with this PowerMac. :(

Can anyone help me figure out how to make it work?

MorphOS DDC fails to generate compatible modes for some reason. There can be numerous reasons for this. Try holding down LMB or F1 while the system boots. If you get a bootmenu try to change the screenmode the system boots to. If this works you can continue with install and choose this screenmode for the system later on.

If LMB or F1 don't give you a visible bootmenu you'll need to try a different monitor.
 

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Re: My Quicksilver 2002 doesnt like MorphOS
« Reply #1 on: August 18, 2011, 07:49:11 AM »
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Okay, thank you, it worked, after changing the montior to another one. I am posting this from the default OWB1.1 which will soon be updated to 1.9.

You should upgrade it to Odyssey 1.14:
http://fabportnawak.free.fr/owb/

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The thing is that my Radeon 7500 (32MB) seems to only manage upto 1024x600, and then again this "new" monitor wines about it saying that I should better use 1440x900 resolution, which seems unavailable to me from MorphOS :(

32MB is well enough for these resolutions, but you might want to disable the eye candy:
Go to system preferences, Screens and then disable "Enhanced layers" for Ambient screen. This should help with systems with limited amount of VMEM.

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Is there a way to tweak the settings to make it work in that optimum resolution?

It seems you're not having much luck with the DDC in MorphOS. Typically this stuff should work automagically.

It is possible to edit the screenmodes the old fashioned way. Go to system Preferences, then Monitors. Editing the modes is basically the same as with CyberGraphX CGXmode. You can create and test the 1440x900 mode there. After you've created the mode you need to reboot. To make Ambient use the mode you need to go to System preferences, Screens and set the Ambient mode there.
 

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Re: My Quicksilver 2002 doesnt like MorphOS
« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2011, 02:07:40 PM »
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If that's true, that's horrible and confusing versioning.
 
1.10 should always be = to 1.1
1.9 should always be > 1.14


nope. such versioning scheme is unamigan. it breaks version command for instance.

it's version dot revision and not some decimal number!
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Re: My Quicksilver 2002 doesnt like MorphOS
« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2011, 02:48:26 PM »
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No idea what's "Amigan" or not, or what breaks what, just pointing out it is not logical and is confusing.
 
1.09 would be < 1.14
No it's not confusing and it's perfectly logical. It's only confusing if you think version number as a decimal number, which it is not.
 

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Re: My Quicksilver 2002 doesnt like MorphOS
« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2011, 04:11:40 PM »
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It's confusing because in 99% of all cases, in the general software world, versioning is done using decimal.
I disagree. Most of the software world uses version . revision [. build or and maybe even 4th element]. Even Microsoft does that (they may have used 1.04 or something as silly for Windows 1).

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And when you use a decimal point, you're certainly implying that.
Nope, it's a common practice to separate the version components with a dot.

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It's not confusing for you because you're familiar with the software. But, what if one piece of software uses decimal and the other does not? How does the user know which is which if both are presented in the same format and both use a decimal point?
There's no way to know. Decimal number is far less flexible and more confusing way to do it however, and thus it is used less and less.
 
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If I'm a new user installing MorphOS and trying to download a piece of software and I see version 1.14 and version 1.9 I'm instinctively going to download 1.9.
Understandable mistake if you don't know that the version number isn't a decimal number in AmigaOS and MorphOS world.

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I understand what you're saying, I'm just pointing out that it's confusing to the user. You can't use a decimal point and say it's not a decimal number and expect a typical user to just know that.
I'm under the impression that most if not all MorphOS users have prior experience with amigaos, and such understand that version numbers are not decimal numbers.

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From a general perspective if it's version 1 revision 14, it should be labeled v1r14 not 1.14.
That'd be just even more confusing I'd say. My experience is that software using decimal versioning is nowadays quite rare. It does exists for sure, but is far less common than before.
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Re: My Quicksilver 2002 doesnt like MorphOS
« Reply #5 on: August 18, 2011, 04:15:14 PM »
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People might be less prone to thinking of it as a decimal number if it weren't written like a decimal number ;P If, say, you kept the scheme but wrote it with a dash, nobody would confuse 1-5 for (3/2).

Just a quick note regarding this: not all countries use . as a decimal mark.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decimal_mark#Hindu-Arabic_numeral_system
 

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Re: My Quicksilver 2002 doesnt like MorphOS
« Reply #6 on: August 18, 2011, 05:36:23 PM »
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We'll have to agree to disagree.
Agreed.
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Are you saying decimal is more or less confusing?
More. I fixed it in the original post as well, thanks for pointing it out.



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I don't see how it would be less flexible.  You can simply pad with 0s, like:

1.09.05 and 1.14.06 which can be interpreted only 1 way
So it isn't a decimal number anymore but some strange way to group hundreds? Also what happens if revision gets more than 2 digits? How can you add extra 0s to the old version numbers to avoid confusion?

I'm sorry but this is just more confusing than using separate numbers for version, revision [,build etc].
 

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Re: My Quicksilver 2002 doesnt like MorphOS
« Reply #7 on: August 18, 2011, 05:39:57 PM »
@Gulliver

Any luck with creating the needed screenmode?