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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Marketplace => Topic started by: Schoenfeld on September 23, 2009, 10:50:55 AM
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Hi,
with Indivision ECS in production now, there's only one machine left that cannot take advantage of a modern flickerfixer: The A4000T.
I have gotten a few requests, but nothing that would justify a production run at the moment. Space in the machine is considerably smaller, so parts of the product need to be re-designed. Features will stay exactly the same as with Indivision AGA for 1200/4000D/CD32.
I already started asking in a German forum; I'd need at least 150 pre-orders to justify a production run. If this kind of pre-order can be collected before the end of october, we might have the product under the xmas tree. Since 4000T's have been sold a lot in the US, I'm hoping for more positive results from this forum.
I already heard that 130,- EUR is almost "the hard upper limit" for the price; only a few people are willing to pay more. With the current exchange rate, that's a little over 190 USD.
Let me know what you think - and how many you'd buy!
Jens
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I'd buy one for sure, maybe two!
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Hi Jens
I want one (I just have one A4000T).
I also have the A1200 and A4000 versions and these work great.
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I'd be interested in one.
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We would buy one as long as it works fine with the Video Toaster 4000 and the Flyer.
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Jens, maybe a naive suggestion, but can't you just make an adaptor raiser to use just the A4000D or A1200 version instead?
It will make the board a bit taller and will add some cost to the ready-made other unit, but much less than a whole new board.
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Jens, maybe a naive suggestion, but can't you just make an adaptor raiser to use just the A4000D or A1200 version instead?
Indivision AGA sits on top of the Lisa chip, so a "riser" would have to have an empty PLCC84 chip to make connection with the flickerfixer. In addition to such a non-existent part (at least not to my knowledge), signal length would harm signal quality. I would have done that long ago, especially with so many A4000D/CD32 versions in stock, that you're hopefully buying this xmas season :-)
All Indivision models (even the external one from a few years ago) are toaster compatible. That was the whole point of me getting into this business, to make the first toaster-compatible external flickerfixer. I thought it would be obvious that I'm following up on this tradition with my updated, internal models.
Jens
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@Schoenfeld
Thanx for the clarification, just making sure it works on the old but still cool Amiga Video Toaster Flyer. That also means the CD32 version of the Video Toaster will work no problem with Indivision AGA.
:)
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Jens, I would buy one. I'm in Canada.
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As I was playing around last week with my A4KT I was thinking; If we could only get the indivision for this machine... So, thanks for asking and Sure! I'd buy one.
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I would buy one for my A4000T.
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Sign me up for one!
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No one caught my little joke? Video Toaster for CD32.
:)
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Hi Jens,
as mentioned in our private emails, I don't think we can find easily 150 orders for this. However If we do i'd gladly support the production run and act as dealer on it. One of problems of A4000T is that the Lisa/Alice are often close to accelerator. And some accelerators are big etc. so thats something to keep in mind. an external flicker fixer is much safer?
nishtek.
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One of problems of A4000T is that the Lisa/Alice are often close to accelerator. And some accelerators are big etc. so thats something to keep in mind. an external flicker fixer is much safer?
External is out of the question, as Indivision depends on signals that are on the chip bus, but not on the video slot or RGB slot.
So, if accelerators are getting in the way, could you all take hi-res photos of he area? I did acquire an A4000T this week, but it's not working and has the original Commodore 040 card.
Jens
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Interested in buying one.
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Keep those photos of installed accelerators coming! Oh wait, nobody took one yet...
Jens
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Keep those photos of installed accelerators coming! Oh wait, nobody took one yet...
Jens
@Jens
if this is becoming reality... do you intend to make it (space-wise) compatible with all accelerators? And would really need pictures or is the distance as indicated in the picture enough?
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Keep those photos of installed accelerators coming! Oh wait, nobody took one yet...
Jens
Sorry no one has posted the pics you need Jens, I will try to get a pic of my A4000T/CSPPC combo posted today. I don't particularly wish to remove every A4000 compatible accelerator from my other Amiga models and put them into my A4000T to take additional pictures, but if others here do not start posting pictures of their own A4000T's with different accelerators, I guess that is the least I could do to help you out with your research and decision making.
Edit: @HyAmi, I think Jens intention is to make room for most, if not all A4000T compatible accelerators to work with the A4000T version of the IndivisionAGA.
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Edit: @HyAmi, I think Jens intention is to make room for most, if not all A4000T compatible accelerators to work with the A4000T version of the IndivisionAGA.
Yeah, I thought the same. However, an accelerator like the Quikpak 4060 is quite a nasty beast in terms of size (and layout).
If no-one beats me to it, I'll take a picture of the A3640. The Quikpak XP rev2 is (in direction of the Lisa chip) the same size as the A3640.
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So, if accelerators are getting in the way, could you all take hi-res photos of he area? I did acquire an A4000T this week, but it's not working and has the original Commodore 040 card.
Jens
Jens, if you need an A4000T board for testing let me know and I'll send you one. I have fully working one I can miss for a while.
It also has all the IO modules.
PM me if you are interested.
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Any plans to produce automatic monitor switchers?
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Any plans to produce automatic monitor switchers?
Thats abit off topic, lol.
Jens, I would love to see an indivision for a True A4000T.
I also think people would want them.
I know its not alot, but I have had atleast 4 to 6 questions regarding an A4000T scandoubler.
Whats that old quote from that film, "If you build it, they will come" ;).
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I would love have one for my A4000T.
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Thats abit off topic, lol.
I know, but I don't have an A4000T and am just about to buy an indivision for my A4000 and it hit me that nearly everyone who bought one that also has a graphics card would want to buy a decent switcher.
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I need photos of the accelerator(s) as they are installed in the A4000T, with Lisa visible on that same photo - ideally seen from top. Please double-check that the photo is focused, use a tripod and close the aperture as far as possible to increase focus and avoid using a flash.
I won't need a working A4000T, as the chipset behaviour will be the same as in the other AGA machines, where I have all flavours here. Development will be possible without a working A4000T; the one I own is enough for a mechanical sample. I'm happy to send a sample to someone for testing before production starts, just to play it safe, but that's far in the future right now.
I am not planning on a switch at the moment, this would make the thing even more expensive. It'll already be hard enough to reach that 129,- EUR goal with such small space available.
Jens
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@ Schoenfeld
Regarding switchers, Eyetech made a series of automatic and manual ones that would connect to the 10pin IDC ribbon header of the DCE scandoubler. If the Indivisions use the same pinout (is 10pin IDC VGA a standard?) maybe they might work out of the box...?
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Hi Jens, its a super idea. I plan buy your Indivision AGA for A4000T too.
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Jens, maybe I can help. Here is an X-ray of the area on the A4000T mobo, with some overlays:
(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g154/Odd_Job/JensA4000TLisaX-ray2.jpg)
Lisa is blue, you have to avoid the red areas:
1 = Forward stand-off point for the accelerator
2 = PAL/NTSC jumper block
3 = Capacitor
4 = Keyboard connector
5 = Discs Module (SCSI etc)
The green is where I reckon you can build, if you keep the Indivision lower than the accelerator board.
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If you don't want any part of the Indivision to be under the accelerator (In this case Cyberstorm MK II or Cyberstorm PPC), then you have this space to work with:
(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g154/Odd_Job/JensA4000TLisaX-ray3.jpg)
Here is a crappy phone picture of my A4000T with the PPC installed, note the red areas. The arrow shows the position of the forward standoff in relation to the edge of the board:
(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g154/Odd_Job/JensA4000TLisa.jpg)
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And yes, I will buy one.
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I would also buy one too.
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And yes, I will buy one.
Thanks for the fantastic material! I'll try to count some pixels to get exact measurement from the picture. Saves quite some work, thanks!
Jens
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Sign me up for one too!
Sick and tired of chasing ancient PIV's on eBay for rediculous prices.
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Thanks for the fantastic material! I'll try to count some pixels to get exact measurement from the picture. Saves quite some work, thanks!
Jens
I got alot of pics for you.
You want me to email them to you?
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I got alot of pics for you.
You want me to email them to you?
Sure - I meant to eMail you earlier, but I've got lots of other work.
Jens
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Sure - I meant to eMail you earlier, but I've got lots of other work.
Jens
k, will email now.
EDIT:- Email Sent.
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Hi Jens,
I would buy one, too. I also agree autoswitch would be a nice idea. We already share monitor inputs with KVMs and there's no spare input.
I would love to pay more than 130 euros for hat nice item.
By the way, anyone has got spare (Escom) tower case to be sold?
Thanks!.
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@Jens
Have you made a decision yet whether you'll make an A4000T Indivision or not?
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Is this project still happening? I'm currently trying to unravel the mysteries of RTG and Scan Doubler options for 4000Ts and I'd love nothing more than to have an Indivision board instead. Researching and buying old Amiga hardware is an interesting hobby to have. :-)
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@Jens,
Hopefully, this project is still moving forward. I like the 129,- EUR pricing range, but I know it will be tight. You can count me for one as well. :) I will also send my pic of the accelerator in my A4000T.
The Dawg!
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Surely an A4000T doesn't have to connect to the Lisa chip does it?
It could be a video slot card with a zorro interface no? All the signals should be there, no?
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Surely an A4000T doesn't have to connect to the Lisa chip does it?
It could be a video slot card with a zorro interface no? All the signals should be there, no?
Except there is a video sync issue with the 4000T video slots. I have a scandoubler card that works great on a 4000 but has glitches on my 4000T. I talked to an Amiga tech, Ed from Kansas, who said this is normal and that it affects the Toaster too. He didn't know of a fix but mentioned a couple of things that could solve the problem. Either the Indivision on the Lisa or Indivision on a video slot card with a video slot fix would be nice. Both have their advantages and disadvantages but either is better than the few solutions 4000T owners have now.
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Surely an A4000T doesn't have to connect to the Lisa chip does it?
It could be a video slot card with a zorro interface no? All the signals should be there, no?
That sounds like it'd incur more development cost than just adapting the current design.
Can't say an actual card wouldn't be nice, though.
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Surely an A4000T doesn't have to connect to the Lisa chip does it?
It could be a video slot card with a zorro interface no? All the signals should be there, no?
Doesn´t the Indivision "replace" the Lisa chip?
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For me the standard clip-on-Lisa approach is better because I simply don't have any Zorro slots free!
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Is this project still happening? I'm currently trying to unravel the mysteries of RTG and Scan Doubler options for 4000Ts and I'd love nothing more than to have an Indivision board instead. Researching and buying old Amiga hardware is an interesting hobby to have. :-)
There was a recent listing of a PicassoIV for sale here on the forums. That is the best solution for an A4000T, but the IndivisionAGA is a nice solution for a Video Toaster/Flyer machine as the Toaster's interface is not RTG, IIRC. Parts of the LightWave interface can be promoted I think, but most of the rest of the NewTek interfaces are limited to standard display resolutions.
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Hi Jens,
I would buy one, too.
(And another one for an A1200 when available again).
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wuld buy one to guess there is alot of ppl in sweden that want to buy one to . that dont hang around here ..
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resurecting an old thread, I would buy one!
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Any more news on this?
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Hey Jens
I'm about to get an a4000T again so I'm very interested in this product as well. You know that if you make them you will sell them. Hasnt every production run of Amiga hw you have ever done sold out?
:-D
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I don't think Jens posts on Amiga.org anymore. He left last year in December.
Might be best to try to find him at EAB or AW.
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I am eagerly awaiting the offering of a 4000T version of the Indivision AGA as well. My 4000T (one of the original 200) is still in good working order, but desperately needs a display upgrade. It is painful to use a 1960 monitor nowdays. It is however a testament that the machine is quite capable still as a plain 040; it has been, what, 15 years since Commodore first released it?
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Indivision AGA sits on top of the Lisa chip, so a "riser" would have to have an empty PLCC84 chip to make connection with the flickerfixer. In addition to such a non-existent part (at least not to my knowledge), signal length would harm signal quality. I would have done that long ago, especially with so many A4000D/CD32 versions in stock, that you're hopefully buying this xmas season :-)
Jens
Is it true there will be an Indivision AGA (A1200) MKII ? If so any word on the improvements. I want to buy one...
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Yes, see this thread:
http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=55980
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No more news about production of this hardware?
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@AlicePPC
If you check the thread that RMK305 linked you can see the following:
The prototype I'm currently working on is for A1200 and A4000T.
Since the target is to be out with the thing by october, the probability is *very* high. I have finished the register-communication on the new prototype in a way that I can update timing parameters of the CPLD with some FPGA signals. This way, I'll be able to adapt timing to weird accelerator cards with a simple flash upgrade.
I hope I can make the same thing for the pixel timing; some of you may know that the old Indivision AGA had trouble with Lisa chips by NCR, but works fine with HP and most Commodore Lisa chips. I'll know later this week.
Jens
(http://eab.abime.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=29347&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1313990197) (http://eab.abime.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=29347&d=1313990197)
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i would buy one for sure.
count me in
Mech