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Re: Elbox Mediator 4000Di
« Reply #14 on: November 27, 2012, 08:21:25 PM »
ok, so I've grown a pair and Amigakit seem to have some in stock, so I've ordered one.

what's the best GFX card, or rather, what cards have people experience with?
I notice that you guys have Radeon's installed. it's not on the supported list? confused...
how are you finding it with heat, power, noise etc.
i'm looking for something not too noisy, and given the A4000's pathetic cooling, something not too hot.
my experience with AGP voodoo3's from way back when was that they got really hot!

is warp3d stuff supported on the radeons? i'm not looking at a voodoo4 or 5 as that's just a little bit far out regarding availability or even driver support.
I won't be using the GFX card as fast ram as I also have a couple of zorro ram cards on their way.
I've got a soundblaster128 somewhere, and ordered a 100Mb NIC - as all I have laying around these days are intel gigabit jobs. ;)

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Re: Elbox Mediator 4000Di
« Reply #15 on: November 27, 2012, 09:15:11 PM »
Hi I bought A4000DI MKII a few weeks ago from Elbox direct with the Special offer including a Radeon 9200 Pro with 256mb. Works Fantastic.
 
There Is very Little Heat Produced with the Radeon,it doesn,t Support warp 3d at the momment but works well with Earth, Naplam,Myst, etc.:uzi:
 
Ive got A4000/040 original os3.9 with update 4  just leave the Card resoarce entry out in Startup-seuence tends to interfer with Radeon.
 
fitted to mediator i have Radeon 256mb, Spider, fastethernet sb128,and am very pleased with the result so far.:elvis:
 

Offline darksun9210Topic starter

Re: Elbox Mediator 4000Di
« Reply #16 on: November 27, 2012, 09:27:20 PM »
fantastic, great to hear it's working well :)

ok, now on the hunt for a radeon card.

am I limited to the 9200 series?

loooong shot this, I know, but I have access to literally stacks of low profile ATI FireMV 2260's... that's based on an RV600 core, with a startech PCI to PCIexpress adapter... thoughts?

(should be cheaper than the CV64/3D I just got for the A3k :laughs: )
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Re: Elbox Mediator 4000Di
« Reply #17 on: November 27, 2012, 10:10:09 PM »
Hi Again yes you can only use the 9200 series Cards but they have to be Modded to 5v for the Mediator. the one i got from Elbox was allready modded had 256mb on board but only 128mb could be used as it had 2x 128mb Banks so i modded a new one i got from Hongkong and that uses the full 256mb on mediator.
 
becare of cheap imatation radeons as some dont work.
 
If you Need help in that department i could give you some help on the modding, if your Handy with a soldering iron.
 
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Re: Elbox Mediator 4000Di
« Reply #18 on: November 27, 2012, 10:30:09 PM »
Hi here is the Radeon Card i brought i can from the UK the seller still has some of These but they have to be modded costs about 50pence for the chip here in Germany.
 
the ebay link is http://www.ebay.de/itm/Neu-256MB-ATI-Radeon-9250-PCI-Grafikkarte-256-MB-/281026884984?_trksid=p2047675.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222002%26algo%3DSIC.FIT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D11%26meid%3D3764905824906425400%26pid%3D100011%26prg%3D1005%26rk%3D2%26sd%3D280491635769%26
 
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Re: Elbox Mediator 4000Di
« Reply #19 on: November 28, 2012, 08:02:05 AM »
ah, so i can't just get one off of ebay and plug it in. heh, there had to be a catch somewhere.

when you say modded for 5volts, i thought that PCI was keyed for power anyway?
5 volt cards have a gap at one end, 3.3 volt cards have the gap at the other, and universal cards had a gap at both.

i take it something else needs to be done? voltage regulator added? removed?

and how do you mean you were only able to use half of the ram? is it not directly attached to the GPU anyway?

sorry for all the questions :)

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Re: Elbox Mediator 4000Di
« Reply #20 on: November 28, 2012, 10:54:28 AM »
Hi
this is quiet difficult to explain some Cards are fitted with 2 seperat ram Banks ie 2x 128mb with two seperate addresses and the mediator and 0s4.1 only pick up one of These Banks giving 128mb.its more to do with the gfx Card bios i think.This was done for stability reasons.
 
Some really old Saphire Cards are 5v 3v compatible and work straight out the box no Problem but it like playing russian roulette if it works or not.
 
And the notches on some of the modern Cards doesn,t really apply to the 3v or 5v rule. confusing really.
 
I bought the Card which i linked to and used this link to do the mode http://mfilos.blogspot.de/2012/03/a4000-modding-and-testing-ati-radeon-on.html Please note the Card has to be exactly the same in the Pictures hence the first link i sent you from ebay to garentee it works on the A4000DI,i bought from this guy in ebay modded it and it works perfect in the 4000
showing full 256mb.Ps(my Card had a venlitator fitted but physically the board is the same).Your Basically Making the 3.3v link with the regulator
 
But to confuse things even more it Show graphic trash in my A1200 ppc wich has one of the first A1200 Mediator pci boards fitted wierd.
 
But this Card does work in the A4000 DI MK and 1200TX.
 
Hoped i Helped you out a bit. if you still have your doubts ive still got the original Card from elbox only used a hour to test. or a Voodoo 3000. i could send over to the Homeland. as i live here in Germany since 30 years and my English is a bit Rusty lol.
 
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Re: Elbox Mediator 4000Di
« Reply #21 on: November 28, 2012, 11:05:09 AM »
Hi
    this is quiet difficult to explain some Cards are fitted with 2 seperat ram Banks ie 2x 128mb with two seperate addresses and the mediator and 0s4.1 only pick up one of These Banks giving 128mb.its more to do with the gfx Card bios i think.
 
Some really old Saphire Cards are 5v 3v compatible and work straight out the box no Problem but it like olaying russian roulette if it works or not.
 
And the notches on some of the modern Cards doesn,t really apply to the 3v or 5v rule. confusing really.
 
I bought the Card which i linked to and used this link to do the mode http://mfilos.blogspot.de/2012/03/a4000-modding-and-testing-ati-radeon-on.html Please not the Card has to be exactly  the same in the Pictures hence the first link i sent you from ebay to garentee it works on the A4000DI,i bought from this guy in ebay modded it and it works perfect in the 4000
showing full 256mb.Ps(my Card had a venlitator fitted but physically the board is the same).
 
But to confuse things even more it Show graphic trash in my A1200ppc with one of the first Mediator pci boards wierd.
 
But this Card does work in the A4000 DI MK and 1200TX.
 
Hoped i Helped you out a bit. if you still have your doubts ive still got the original Card from elbox only used a hour to test. or a Voodoo 3000. i could send over to the Homeland. as i live here in Germany since 30 years and my English is a bit Rusty lol.
 
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Re: Elbox Mediator 4000Di
« Reply #22 on: November 28, 2012, 12:06:58 PM »
Quote from: cv643d;710015
I had the A1200 version with 4 PCI slots and found out lots of Workbench apps where running jerky in Mediator screenmodes, jerkier than in AGA. Someone told me it was because of the way Mediator worked with the Amiga, still to this day I am amused more people do not notice it or complain. People just setup a nice WB and look at it?!

I am curious if A4000 version has the same problem, but not willing to pay 300 euro to find out, oh and I sold my 4 slot PCI Mediator and went back to Zorro cards instead.


If you have jerkieness then something is set wrong in your p96 or cgx or mediator settings.  I had the same thing happen to me.  Once I found the secret setting I changed it and never looked back.
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Re: Elbox Mediator 4000Di
« Reply #23 on: November 28, 2012, 12:17:53 PM »
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I have pretty much the same setup as Darrin, without the FastATA4000, Deneb, Spider and SB128....Okay, not really the same... but I use the monitor/indivision  the same way.

The problems I have run into were with lockups in Radeon resolutions.  Higher resolution, the quicker it locks up.  I think my problem is one of the programs I am running.  Once I disabled AmiDock and the memory info program, it locks up less..  Still haven't figured that one out, but it may be a bug in ClassicWB.

Otherwise the video modes are really fast, and if it weren't for the stock 040 and the slow IDE drive, it would feel snappier than Windows 7 does on my system with 8 cores and 8 GB of memory!

slaapliedje


When I first bought my Amiga+Mediator setup (used) I had the same lockups as u.

It all turned out that there was a jumper on the mediator for safe or dangerous.  Well dangerous always crashes.  Safe never crashes.  STUPID JUMPER!

Once I changed the jumper over to safe.  Everything was fine.  And my transfer speeds dropped from 11MB/sec to 9MB/sec  No prob since it made my Amiga rock solid for many years.
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Offline darksun9210Topic starter

Re: Elbox Mediator 4000Di
« Reply #24 on: November 28, 2012, 01:30:26 PM »
Thanks lozspd4,
a lot of very good information there, many thanks :) my mind is expanded (and your english is excellent)

and ChaosLord's secret setting. Safe/Dangerous jumper. cool. i'll keep a look out for it

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Re: Elbox Mediator 4000Di
« Reply #25 on: November 29, 2012, 08:57:05 AM »
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Hi all, a bit of advice is what i'm after i guess, or hints and anecdotes of your general expiriences with the above.

i'm toying with the idea of buying a Mediator Board. is this a better solution than hunting ebay or amibay for zorro ethernet and graphics gards? (i would prefer zorro, but that's just me ;)



Back in 2004 I was in a similar situation and had similar questions. Luckily I decided to walk the Mediator route and up to today I don't regret it.
My A4kPPC is towered in the Micronik BigBox Tower and that came with the Zorro III Busboard. My main OS is OS 3.9 with BBs I&II/WarpOS 16.1 - and that's what the following is referring to.

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what's peoples thoughts on this? i always wanted to expand the ol' A4k, and it seems that PCI cards are the way to go these days. plus once i have the mediator, i can probably get hold of the cards themselves pretty cheap (or free).



Well, once I had mine I was lucky that a colleague had an old Voodoo4 lying around and gave it to me for 10€. IIRC, I did buy the Terratec 512i digital in a shop at a small price, as well as the 10/100 mBit NIC (with Mediator supported RTL chip). Initially I had the Spider II with that Version of Poseiden that supported the Mediator/Spider-combination, but exchanged it later with the Deneb in a Zorro III slot for USB 2.0 speed reasons (the Spider isn't really highspeed). Aside from the Spider, I didn't pay more than 40€ for the cards.

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i'm just a little bit dubious about their spec claims.
do you need to have a GFX card on the PCI bus to be able to run a network card?



Yes.
A part of the graphic mem is used for buffering, afaik.
Furthermore the graphics card acts as PCI busmaster, IIRC.
And a gfx card is much more eye-friendly than the native Amiga graphic modes.

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264MB/s they claim is the max bandwidth between cards and/or host at 66Mhz *on the same bus*. and even this is unlikely. also the host in this case is the PCI/Zorro bridge chippery.
what are the real world speeds i can expect? will i even approach 10MB/s host to zorro to pci bridge to pci card?
i remember bustest would get 14MB/s max from a CV64/3D - so should i be pretty suspect of any claims above, say 20MB/s?



I have never done any bus speed tests and so cannot come up with numerical figures.
Possibly the NIC dosn't work with the full 100 mBit - perhaps it achieves just 80 mBit.
But in any case the speed is significantly faster compared to a 10 mBit net access on an x86.
Spider II USB 2.0 "highspeed" wasn't really highspeed. O.K. - it was a bit faster that USB 1.1 on an x86, but copying large files took ages and sometimes was unreliable (several unpluggings and repluggings of the USB device were necessary to get the job done). Therefor I bought a Deneb when it appeared and now USB 2.0 is much faster on the A4kPPC.

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if i fully load the mediator with GFX card, NIC card, sound card, and USB card, will it choke?



I have never noticed such behaviour.

But I cannot recommend a PCI-USB card. The newer versions of Poseidon do no longer provide support for Mediator based USB cards.

Take my advice and go the Deneb route (if you have a Z III or higher daughterboard) - this way USB on classic Amiga is fun. Deneb also is said to work in Z II, but just in PIO mode and not in DMA mode as it does with Z III. PIO is slower than DMA.

And be aware that a Buster Rev.9 is said to be faulty. I had been told it can possibly cause problem with Z III boards - and so I exchanged it with a Rev.11 Buster before I fitted it all in the tower.

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whats the driver situation like? crashy? stable?




My Mediatior came with the MM CD (Multi Media CD). It provides all the drivers. Make sure to have the latest versions - if necessary, download the latest versions. My setup works stable since day one (back in 2004) and I'm really fully satisfied.

Some talk bad about the Mediator board (e.g. the OS4 devs) - but here it has always done what it is supposed to and so I'm completely happy with the mediator.

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anybody know what the deal is with "version 2" advertised on elbox's website?



Hmmm - I could not spot a "version 2" anywhere. Can it be you misread "Mediator Multimedia CD UP 2.0" as "Mediator 2.0"?

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sorry for all the questions, but being the price they are, and the fact i know nothing whatsoever about them, thought this would be the place to ask :)



It is always a good idea to be informed before buying...
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Re: Elbox Mediator 4000Di
« Reply #26 on: November 29, 2012, 09:14:45 AM »
wow! someone buy Dandy a drink! awesome info, thanks so much! :) :) :)

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Re: Elbox Mediator 4000Di
« Reply #27 on: November 29, 2012, 09:43:16 AM »
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wow! someone buy Dandy a drink! awesome info, thanks so much! :) :) :)



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Re: Elbox Mediator 4000Di
« Reply #28 on: November 29, 2012, 11:00:28 AM »
Dandys information regarding the Spider is outdated.
The latest poseidon & spider.device works together but it was true for a while that they didn't.
It even seems to work quite fast & reliable but i don't have any numbers to show because i'm a new user. But the deneb is better and will always be.

I'm intrested to know what kind of transfers speeds dandy gets with a 100Mbit/s nic.  Miami/Amitcp is way to slow to get anything near 80Mbit/s even on a fast computer like a pegasos running morphos.
 

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Re: Elbox Mediator 4000Di
« Reply #29 from previous page: November 29, 2012, 01:29:44 PM »
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Dandys information regarding the Spider is outdated.
The latest poseidon & spider.device works together but it was true for a while that they didn't.
It even seems to work quite fast & reliable but i don't have any numbers to show because i'm a new user. But the deneb is better and will always be.

I'm intrested to know what kind of transfers speeds dandy gets with a 100Mbit/s nic.  Miami/Amitcp is way to slow to get anything near 80Mbit/s even on a fast computer like a pegasos running morphos.


I can confirm this too.  I had a Deneb in my A4000 and updated Poseidon to the latest version.  When I put in a Spider and loaded the drivers the USB stack detected it and once activated it worked like a charm.  I had the Deneb and Spider working at the same time.
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