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The "Not Quite Amiga but still computer related category" => Alternative Operating Systems => Topic started by: jtsiren on April 07, 2003, 03:47:10 PM
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For those keeping count, several (but not all) of the $299 Pegasoses sent to Finland arrived today (at least 6 of them), mine included. Included in the package were: the Pegasos mainboard and processor module (in separate antistatic bags for those wondering :-), an ATX backplate, MorphOS 1.3 CD-R, a T shirt, two stickers for a case and a single A4 connector "guide". As an added bonus for waiting, also included were the games Feeble Files, Tales of Tamar and Software Tycoon for MorphOS in their original packaging. Thanks for the games, Genesi. I'm looking forward to trying them out.
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Wow! :-o
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Gotta say,
Sounds like a pretty damn good deal that you got there then!. Makes the prices for the A1 seem even higher tbh, I wonder what the A1 boards will come complete with?
Doubt it'll have the 'freebies' like you got there!
Infact, I have been getting slightly more tempted each month my Peg/mos systems - if those games were ini each send out I would probably order one today (umm.. if I had the money! :-( )
Cheerio
Sam Thomas
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Im not much into these pegasos boards.
will they support AOS 4 when it comes out?
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filson wrote:
Im not much into these pegasos boards.
will they support AOS 4 when it comes out?
No.
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Mine also arrived this morning. I was a bit surprised to see all of the extras included - ie the t-shirt and games, they just added to the appeal.
Now to strip my PCs of parts so I can run it :-D
Thanks Genesi!
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I was zonked out after having had my son wake up twice last night due to teething when my wife came in the bedroom and plopped this itty bitty box on the bed. Sleepily, I opened it, and to my surprise, there was my pegasos, a MorphOS CD, t-shirt, some games, backplate, and CPU card.
Now, just need to find a modem!
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Elektro wrote:
filson wrote:
Im not much into these pegasos boards.
will they support AOS 4 when it comes out?
No.
erhm, well... :-D hope its a nice board.
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Hmm....wouldn't that be 'Pegasi are arriving' ? :-D
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Looks like pegasos is the system to get... Which actually seems to have a working OS :-)
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Well, it has to be said. Genesi knows how to attract new customers with their good product presentation and beautiful coherent design. I have only one reason why I won't buy a Pegasos and that's because there's more than meets the eye :-D Hey, that could be a great new AmigaOS slogan! :lol:
I hope Amiga Inc., Eyetech and Hyperion will be able to compete on this level, otherwise it will be like good old Commodore: great products and service, but zero knowledge of marketing :-P ;-)
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I got notification that my Pegasos was on its way - can't wait to get it fired up for digital audio and midi work/play starting with the MorphOS version of ProStation Platinum! Among other things : } ...Most of the people getting them through the Phoenix $299 offer/initiative have already received theirs, or should have gotten notification. More Pegasos $299 packages with all the goodies will be available to current Phoenix members, incidentally.
Also, BBRV and I have been talking about Yet Another T-shirt Initiative {YATI; }:
For all User Group members and leaders who are currently doing MorphOS/Pegasos stuff or would like to be, and want to get support and offers from Genesi and Phoenix. We have a mailing list called PhUG and will be happy to provide web space for your groups, and we want to build support programs with your help and set up some more special offers for all of you ...
But didn't I say T-SHIRT? Yes! We want to ship all you UG people T-shirts - with Genesi graphics on one side and whatever graphics/logo your User Group chooses on the other side.
No coupons required; just email me...
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Damn...now I'm really jealous... :ranting:
Have fun with your machines
....and take time to write & post a review 'bout it. :-P
BYe
Dejan
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erhm, well... hope its a nice board.
It's a very nice board. Wish they hadn't gotten rid of the on-board modem tho, as my modem is ISA.
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@downix
erhm if you are from Florida, why would you use a dial up connection? for most users a 256Kb DSL connection is just as cheap. and you get to use a nic instead. less cpu load.
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Good news! It seems you got some more contents in your package than I did (thinking about the games). But of course you had to wait longer too, so it's kind of fair anyway ;-)
I guess this will render even more traffic in the BT2 mailing list. :-)
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Mine's also arrived. Still needs to get tower and Radeon ..
Also, BBRV and I have been talking about Yet Another T-shirt Initiative {YATI; }:
Oh when this humiliation of Amiga Inc. and t-shirts end .. :-D
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I got mine saturday.
I set it up saturday ;) Everything went smoothly . It picked up my voodoo3 without having anything to set.
I transfered all my Amiga files to it. Now I need just some time for testing everything.
I have to say it is very FAST :-o :-P
It is now online and I can browse with it. My fastest browsing experience ever !
I'am writing a Pegasos diary so I will share my experience with you guys (as soon as I put it online).
My 4000 feels very slow now.
What I need now is more time to test and write about it.
I have ordered a few software from IOSPIRIT that I will test later too.
Thank you Genesi. I have been waiting for this for years !
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Hooligan_DCS wrote:
Oh when this humiliation of Amiga Inc. and t-shirts end .. :-D
When AInc deliver those t-shirts ? Hmmm oh äh, well I think
that was rethoric question ..... :-P
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Hooligan my man: if we can ever get our Phoenix/Genesi Demo Scene Initiative finalized (#$!%@!) ... I can reasonably surmise that any Demo Sceners will also be getting T-Shirts with their choice of graphics/logo affiliation on one side and the Genesi stuff on the other.
So don't be worrying about having enough to wear! : }
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@filson
I signed up for DSL now 6 weeks ago...
First they blew out my phone lines repeater, killing my phone service entirely
Then they got that back, but no DSL still
Now they're claiming some kind of load blocker is on the line, so I can't get service via Earthlink as I intended... but I'm free to get it through Bell South. I can't get it through bell south as it's not my phone line here (helping out the in-laws by helping to keep up their house till the wife and I can buy one of our own).
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greenboy wrote:
Hooligan my man: if we can ever get our Phoenix/Genesi Demo Scene Initiative finalized (#$!%@!) ... I can reasonably surmise that any Demo Sceners will also be getting T-Shirts with their choice of graphics/logo affiliation on one side and the Genesi stuff on the other.
So don't be worrying about having enough to wear! : }
That'd be nice .. summer is coming and all. Besides, my DCS t-shirt is getting worn up :)
If only SOMEONE would do SOMETHING mentioned a FEW times ... ;-)
ps.how about being nice and print "I AM AMIGA" logos for 1200 t-shirts.. and send them to certain firm for re-posting ..?
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ps.how about being nice and print "I AM AMIGA" logos for 1200 t-shirts.. and send them to certain firm for re-posting ..?
LOL!. really i can't stop laughing.. :-D :-D
ups, im not supposed to laugh at that, as im a member of AmigaWorld.net (sorry) .
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So what amigaones are also arriving its no big deal considering that you have paid for them, morph os is just an imcomplete os rushed out with boards so they can make money morph will never be as good as beos pe max edition .Thats stable and very fast . :-D
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Uninformed and blind propaganda does no good to
ANY side. Cut it.
Like the crap about the "24h burn in test" stuff...
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amigamad wrote:
So what amigaones are also arriving its no big deal considering that you have paid for them, morph os is just an imcomplete os rushed out with boards so they can make money morph will never be as good as beos pe max edition .Thats stable and very fast . :-D
The A1's has been delivered now? :-o
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@Amigamad
morph os is just an imcomplete os rushed out with boards so they can make money morph will never be as good as beos pe max edition .Thats stable and very fast
Not even one person whome I have spoken to about MOS is expecting it to be 100% ready. Look it like we're doing testing on it and the final release will be with Pegasos2.
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will they support AOS 4 when it comes out?
No because certin people have chosen to want OS4 to only run on AmigaOne.
I could get more into it... but a flame war with alot of FUD and nonsense would insue.
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Congrats on your new computer!
I'm sure your excited.. Did you get ProStation Audio with your package? Did you get VHI Studio for TV Cards.. I"m waiting to see if it works with Amithlon TV on PEG so I can get a Video Capture card for it!
:)
I got mine and am awaiting the case, RAM, CDRW, Kybd+mouse!
realize
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It makes me happy to see a company finally doing what we've all wanted for so long... a practical use for an OS that is forward moving and yet compatible to AmigaOS with a similer UI and good responsiveness...
If they can get MOS into STB's and get some contracts for PDA"s maybe? eclipsis? ... it will be wonderful.
I really for once feel good honest happieness for this genre once again.. it's great to see it developing into something.
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So what amigaones are also arriving its no big deal considering that you have paid for them
always a rotten egg or two with twisted comparisons...
have fun with the Teron's and Linux...at least you can run UAE :P
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How many MHz, and is it G3,G4?? How many PCI slots? What's max ram cap.? Has anyone booted off of a RAID setup yet? How many megs is the OS?
AmigaOne! Behind the eight ba!!
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will MOS support Aone when it comes out?
No because certin people have chosen to want MOS to only run on Pagasos.
I could get more into it... but a flame war with alot of FUD and nonsense would inssue.
Your comment MipsProc already was a flame.
You could of just said no They will not support Aos4. but you had to add to it.
Im done with this.
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Good to hear that people are getting their
boards. I myself am looking forward to the
Peg2/MOS.
Alkemyst wrote:
>Im done with this
Can't say I'm too unhappy about that....:P
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@downix
good grief! thats alot of trouble for a DSL line.
my condolences to the diseased line ;-)
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will MOS support Aone when it comes out?
No because certin people have chosen to want MOS to only run on Pagasos.
I could get more into it... but a flame war with alot of FUD and nonsense would inssue
No because certin people have chosen to want MOS to only run on Pagasos.
I could get more into it... but a flame war with alot of FUD and nonsense would inssue.
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Beep! Wrong answer. Please repeat the question:
> will MOS support Aone when it comes out?
It already DOES support Terons with the old BIOS,
it just only supports OpenFirmware based systems.
The PPCBoot is not OF compatible.
It has been tested on machines with the crappy and
OLD Softex BIOS ("The BIOS is fine"...) and
SmartFirmware. Both are OF compatible.
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@alkemyst
Not only is that statement trolling, it's untrue.
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@AmiGR/downix:
It was stated by BBRV a few days ago that there won't be a MorphOS version for TeronPX/AmigaOne. I can't find the actual statement right now, but it was something along the lines of (not quoting literally)...
"we investigated that possibility, but just met a lot of hatred and unwillingness to cooperate".
(please note that they didn't use "hatred". And I've got no idea if "unwillingness" is a valid English word ;-)
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by AmiGR on 2003/4/8 15:43:43
will MOS support Aone when it comes out?
No because certin people have chosen to want MOS to only run on Pagasos.
I could get more into it... but a flame war with alot of FUD and nonsense would inssue
No because certin people have chosen to want MOS to only run on Pagasos.
I could get more into it... but a flame war with alot of FUD and nonsense would inssue.
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Beep! Wrong answer. Please repeat the question:
> will MOS support Aone when it comes out?
It already DOES support Terons with the old BIOS,
it just only supports OpenFirmware based systems.
The PPCBoot is not OF compatible.
It has been tested on machines with the crappy and
OLD Softex BIOS ("The BIOS is fine"...) and
SmartFirmware. Both are OF compatible.
Beep you better read the question again
will MOS support Aone when it comes out?
Your reply just said your self that MOS only works with the ""Terons with the old BIOS""
When is the MOS version for the old discontinued
BIOS going to be released ?
It does not work with PPCBoot, it does not work with PPBoot+Amiga firmwear
PPBoot+Amiga firmware=Aone
So no MOS will not support the Aone.
Support= going to be useful to users the customers. saying MOS works on old Terons with Old bios is no good to anyone if its not going to be released.
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About Softex firmware:
AmigaOne != Teron CX
Why do I say this? Because the Teron CX evolved into the AmigaOne SE. Then came the PX which evolved into the XE. The Softex firmware never ever supported the AmigaOne XE, since it doesn't support either the 750FX or the 74xx CPUs.
I am not sure how many actually know this, but the reason for dropping the Softex firmware was NOT that it didn't work. For _quite_ some time it worked a HELL of a lot better than PPCBoot :-P . However, having firmware that only support one CPU doesn't pay off in the end, especially if you're aiming to produce boards with other processors. MAI therefore contracted out the work of porting PPCBoot to the boards to Hyperion (ok, that's cutting a few edges, but it'll have to do for now).
So, stop with the "Eyetech lied when they said the firmware worked" thingie, because Linux was able to patch around everything we found of bugs in the Softex firmware. Noone said there wasn't bugs, we just said it worked. Which it did. But 750FX and 74xx support was crucial to the AmigaOne XE, so Softex HAD to go. Thanks for listening, and don't let the door hit you on the way out.
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Both Terons and AOnes use the same firmware,
PPCBoot.
The difference between AOnes and Terons is the
OS4 dongle.
Other than that, they are and were the same boards,
old or new.
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Actually there were extremely big problems with that bios.
They would show up in the OS4 porting eventually.
Incorrect initialization, no scsi support and several
other stuff. It was actually a DEAD BIOS with some
late changes to make it work on Terons.
BTW, softex did run on TeronPX boards with the
750CXe, a linux guy got an evaluation board "some"
time ago that used it. That was before PPCBoot was
ported.
And I never said that Eyetech lied:) I quoted a very
specific statement by a very specific person.
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Well, Teron PX with 750CXe is more or less EXCACTLY the same computer as Teron CX with 750CXe. So OF COURSE Softex worked in that case. But I'm still claiming that Softex does NOT support the 750FX and 74xx processors, which was what the AmigaOne XE was being spec'ed with. The AmigaOne XE differs from the Teron PX sent to Tom Gall back then in a couple of ways, though. Positioning of connectors, onboard AC97 codec chip, and type of ethernet chip.
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You're not listening, are you? I know both the Teron and AOne use PPCBoot. Actually, U-Boot (PPCBoot has merged with the spin-off product ArmBoot, and gone x86 as well, hence the name-change). But the _reason_ Softex was replaced was afaik that the license with Softex had expired, so there would be a: no bugfixes, and b: no support for newer processors. Bugfixes can be introduced inside the OS. It's _pretty_ dang hard to work around a non-booting BIOS inside an OS...
I'm not saying YOU'RE claiming Eyetech lie either, but I see references to this old dreary story constantly, and 100% of the time it's been told wrong. I'm just trying to introduce some actual facts into the argument, which I understand can be a bit frustrating when you're not used to dealing with that sort of thing :-P :-D
Actually, that was a joke. But you get the point?
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You could of just said no They will not support Aos4. but you had to add to it.
It wasnt a flame...I genuinely mean that... OS4 will run on AmigaOne for reasons of piracy/etc(so they say)... they chose to do that... no flame there ;P
I might have mentioned the old PPC Accelerators it WILL support... but it still wont run on Pegasos..
had I just said 'no' it would be basically saying its Genesi's fault OS4 isnt on their machines... and I dont think thats the case....
as for your trying to say MOS is the same thing as AOS4 thats entirely untrue..
the objective of MOS is to run on STB's in the first place...so of course it wont be on Pegasos alone... then you have to consider MOS will run on reguler Teron's(without the 'custom' firmware/etc the AmigaOne's had added to them)... it will run Phase5 equipped PPC Amigas(and MOS is free for them apperantly) and of course it will run on Pegasos1... eclipsis(if/when its done)... and also psylent wich is basically a Pegasos in a tiny case from what I've seen ...dunno if they will be for sale soon...
I've heard talk of MorphOS bieng ported to Mac's... or bieng made to run off a CD like Amithlon... with an emulator...their own CEO has been open enough to talk to us all right here in the forums about such issues..
its clear their interested in bringing MOS as many places as they can...for reasons differant then OS4's
but then again... OS4 isnt done yet... so we can only speculate about it... when its done (whenever that is) then we can discuss it... for now it's pure speculation...
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It wasnt a flame...I genuinely mean that... OS4 will run on AmigaOne for reasons of piracy/etc(so they say)... they chose to do that... no flame there ;P I might have mentioned the old PPC Accelerators it WILL support... but it still wont run on Pegasos..
AOS4 will run on AmigaOne because that's what Eyetech are marketing the AmigaOne FOR. How piracy has ANYTHING to do with AOS4 running on the AmigaOne is WAY beyond me. It does NOT have anything to do with AOS4 running (or not running, as it were) on the Pegasos. That would require actual support from Genesis (or someone else, I guess), which noone has so far been willing to provide. Don't blame Eyetech for that, please...
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And I still agree with you that it doesn't support them:)
BTW, the first posting wasn't a reply to you, OF COURSE
you know about that already.
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@filson
Well, Bell South promices that it will be running by the 28th. So here's hoping.
(I had to get a third line to the house, routed not from the normal network grid but from the network grid from behind our house, and then sign up with Bell South rather than the Earthlink I was originally going to use, just to get this far. *groan* But *I WILL HAVE DSL! MUAHAHAHAHA*)
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Just a quick note to cap this thread as far as I am concerned... got my Pegasos mostly setup today, Radeon 9100 and a nice MicroATX case and all, but still missing a hard drive and a cd-rw. But it boots just fine to MorphOS without hard drive using a cd-rom drive I took temporarily from another machine. Rest of the parts should get here soon.
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as for your trying to say MOS is the same thing as AOS4 thats entirely untrue..
What the hell are you on about, i said no such thing.
That is the biggest case of putting words into someone's mouth that i have ever seen on Amiga.org.
But then again you like doing that alot so you can justify giveing a long winded reply to something that was not asked in the first place.
But now that you have started.
the objective of MOS is to run on STB's in the first place...so of course it wont be on Pegasos alone... then you have to consider MOS will run on reguler Teron's(without the 'custom' firmware/etc the AmigaOne's had added to them)... it will run Phase5 equipped PPC Amigas(and MOS is free for them apperantly) and of course it will run on Pegasos1... eclipsis(if/when its done)... and also psylent wich is basically a Pegasos in a tiny case from what I've seen ...dunno if they will be for sale soon...
I've heard talk of MorphOS bieng ported to Mac's... or bieng made to run off a CD like Amithlon... with an emulator...their own CEO has been open enough to talk to us all right here in the forums about such issues..
its clear their interested in bringing MOS as many places as they can...for reasons differant then OS4's
but then again... OS4 isnt done yet... so we can only speculate about it... when its done (whenever that is) then we can discuss it... for now it's pure speculation...
half made up crap.
There was no intention to run MOS on the teron when they make money on selling the pegasos.
The STB was an after thought.
Aos4 is planed for many things that MOS is but i cant help if you dont read on the sites i do to get that info first hand.
but then again... OS4 isnt done yet... so we can only speculate about it... when its done (whenever that is) then we can discuss it... for now it's pure speculation
Then again Peg2,MOS CD boot on MAC,STB,eclipsis
Are not here yet so we can only speculate about it... when its done (whenever that is) then we can discuss it... for now it's pure speculation.
MipsProc Stop this one rule for Genesi/Pegasos/MOS that all things planed are fact & will happen no matter what.
2nd rule
But all things Aone/AmigaOs4 planed are not fact.
The Aone is here=Fact
& i have no reason to think that hyperion will giveup on Aos4.
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as for your trying to say MOS is the same thing as AOS4 thats entirely untrue..
same situation... trying to take my quote and reverse it... saying MOS is the same situation as AOS4.... saying their both tied to their respective boards in the same manner...
wich their both clearly not... Genesi see's a market outside one board...and their not greedy trying to force people to pay high prices for their products... their very grass roots oriented supporting developers... their very open... they put themselves out there and take questions on whatever subject you want about their products... you can talk to them anytime..and they give more then smoke/mirrors answers to questions...
Their giving away MOS for free for phase5 cards... that says alot about them I think... their a good company trying to support this community and actually get it going somewhere again...
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From an earlier post here on amiga.org:
....Within a true "Community" of people of course there are differences. There *can* be different hardware, there can be different operating systems, and there should be different opinions about many things. Let us not forget we are human, computers are not. If we can share our differences intelligently with mutual respect for the dignity of others all these sites will improve in their usefulness.
We think there is far to much unnecessary "flaming" on all the sites. We have been a part of it. We reacted in kind. We have never been intimidated by any of it and we simply will not allow FUD to remain unanswered. What will stand in truth and fact in the future will be the action and the results developed by all involved. If your looking for "measure" we are ready for judgment. We can talk about it and genuinely seek to be the best we can at all we do. If your looking for a fight and you are bent on insults and personal attacks, take it somewhere else.
The "thread wars" are over. We need to work. Our future is on the road ahead. We can see where we are going and know how to get there.
Sincerely,
Raquel and Bill
Genesi
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by mips_proc on 2003/4/9 2:19:50
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as for your trying to say MOS is the same thing as AOS4 thats entirely untrue..
same situation... trying to take my quote and reverse it... saying MOS is the same situation as AOS4.... saying their both tied to their respective boards in the same manner...
No its not the samething at all.
You better go & lern the "Definition" of putting words into ppls mouths cos you clearly dont understand it.
I did not put words into you mouth cos i quoted what you actualy said/Posted.
You did not quote me sayng that" Aos4 & MOS are the same thing" but then you Proceeded with ( your trying to say is) wich is the first words that are used to out words into ppls mouths.
Cos the fact that you said (your trying to say)
Means that what i said was not what i ment,
Was trying to say something but it came out wrong or was unclear,so your trying to say what i realy ment for me.
But unfortunately saying what some one else really ment can only be from your Point of View & to how much you understood the question in the first place + extent of your knowledge & undstanding of the subject/subject's matters/matter's & if you know the extent to wich the other person's knowledge & undstanding of the subject/subject's matters/matter's. are +
not knowing the the extent to wich the other person's knowledge & undstanding of the subject/subject's matters/matter's can lead you to be totally off the mark to what think the persion was really trying to say.
Dont tell ppl what they are saying, ask them what they are saying.
I dont give a damn for what MOS was ment for.
But i do know MOS users from IRC who have been into MOS from the start & was shocked & angered about the focus on STB & knew nothing of it before hand.
As for me turning your post around yes i did but thats not putting words in your mouth as i did not claim that what i said was what you were trying to say.
what i said is what i said & nothing else.
All i did was point out that the revese is true about future products from both side as not fact untill they are here & you should measure both sides with the same ruler.
wich their both clearly not... Genesi see's a market outside one board...and their not greedy trying to force people to pay high prices for their products... their very grass roots oriented supporting developers... their very open... they put themselves out there and take questions on whatever subject you want about their products... you can talk to them anytime..and they give more then smoke/mirrors answers to questions...
Their giving away MOS for free for phase5 cards... that says alot about them I think... their a good company trying to support this community and actually get it going somewhere again...
I never asked you in the first place if MOS & Aos4 are for the same markets & nore do i care.
So hold on your GenesiPR cos i never asked you what you thought of them in the first place.
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Just trying to get this thread back to point..
I got myt Pega yesterday (8th April) via Fedex. HW and OS installation was almost as easy as can be and system works OK, even though there are still some edges in that process need to be polished before trying to push this to mass markets.. Especially some important utilities are not part of current CD, apparently they are still at works.
Now I'm in process of installing other goodies to this new system and testing things out.