IMICA Atom becomes Aros fully native and celebrates in Silence

[dammy]

Which part of AROS was in 3.5 and 3.9?  how sign ificant is that to the look and feel of AmigOS?

It wasn't much, IIRC, it was the color wheel.  Now MOS used a fair amount of AROS code in it's initial release.  IIRC from the court papers, I don't think much or any kickstart or WB 3.x code made it into OS4 because it was machine 68K code.  

I will point out AROS was released on the SAM440 before OS4 was.  And I'm fairly confident you will see AROS released for EFIKA-MX based systems which I would hope by this year.  And as others in this thread have mentioned AFA code is from AROS.  So painting AROS as x86 is not completely true as there are PPC and eventually ARM port in the wild.

I do understand your concern for your favorite camp, AROS does make it harder for them to pitch very expensive hardware.  Vs buying fairly cheap hardware that does more for the bang:buck ratio with portables on the way.  Then the issue if Commodore USA ever clears up the trademark issue with the C= trademark owners, selling x86 gear running AROS with C= logo will make it known to the larger market place.  Natami ever sees the light of day and runs AROS on it, it'll be even harder to sell 1500+ Euro PPC systems.

@ Steve, gratz on this release of a silent IMACA.

[kolla]

Now MOS used a fair amount of AROS code in it's initial release.

Would be nice if it could be more the other way around as well, and I don't mean Ambient. For example I think that a common shell/CLI would benefit everyone, so that simple scripts work alike across the different systems. AROS is lacking alot in its shell, and what is the point in duplicating the effort, and eventually end up with something that is almost the same, but with slightly different behaviour?

And no, I don't mean the console handler :hammer:

[bloodline]

Would be nice if it could be more the other way around as well, and I don't mean Ambient. For example I think that a common shell/CLI would benefit everyone, so that simple scripts work alike across the different systems. AROS is lacking alot in its shell, and what is the point in duplicating the effort, and eventually end up with something that is almost the same, but with slightly different behaviour?

And no, I don't mean the console handler :hammer:

To be fair the MOS team returned a lot of bug fixed code, the process has been very beneficial for both AROS and MOS

[kolla]

To be fair the MOS team returned a lot of bug fixed code, the process has been very beneficial for both AROS and MOS

Yes, ofcourse. But that was code originating from AROS that was brought to MorphOS and in the process bug fixed, and fixes submitted back to AROS. Are there examples of code originating from MorphOS being brought to AROS?

[stefcep2]

I do understand your concern for your favorite camp, AROS does make it harder for them to pitch very expensive hardware.  Vs buying fairly cheap hardware that does more for the bang:buck ratio with portables on the way.  Then the issue if Commodore USA ever clears up the trademark issue with the C= trademark owners, selling x86 gear running AROS with C= logo will make it known to the larger market place.  Natami ever sees the light of day and runs AROS on it, it'll be even harder to sell 1500+ Euro PPC systems.

Actually I don't have any preference re: AROS v Efika V Morphos v SAM v OS 4.  AmigaOS 3.x (3.1 at that) is more than adequate for my needs running on my classic A4000 68060, running my original classic hardware.  And judging from what people are willing to pay for classic hardware I'd thats the situation with many others still using anything Amiga.

[clusteruk]

Yes, ofcourse. But that was code originating from AROS that was brought to MorphOS and in the process bug fixed, and fixes submitted back to AROS. Are there examples of code originating from MorphOS being brought to AROS?

Now that would be appreciated, and I accept your points on the shell. It works ok but needs some love.

[stefcep2]

Well, that's weird, seeing as I was able to compile some of my old amigaos specific code for AROS. That doesn't require an OS "in the spirit" of Amiga, it requires an OS that provides amiga compatible APIs. Do you understand the meaning of "re-implemented" in this context?

OK when you recompile Dpaint, Scala, Brillliance, Lightwave, Cinema 4d, Wordworth 7 for AROS, let me know and I'll jump on board.

[bloodline]

OK when you recompile Dpaint, Scala, Brillliance, Lightwave, Cinema 4d, Wordworth 7 for AROS, let me know and I'll jump on board.

Please read up about this stuff, these are exactly the programs that AROS can run using the Janus emulation, and in the cause of non harwear hitting apps, like Lightwave, then the Emu that Steve has just pointed to

[jj]

Do not feed the trolls

[clusteruk]

OK when you recompile Dpaint, Scala, Brillliance, Lightwave, Cinema 4d, Wordworth 7 for AROS, let me know and I'll jump on board.

You have a reasonable point here, at the moment Aros cannot just launch all Amiga apps and run them seamlessly. Either they go through JanusUAE and coherance mode that will run the application through emulation or if system friendly apps then the Emumiga will one day be able to run them seamlessly.

However, I believe the same is true with AmigaOS and MorphOS, however, there 68k emulation and integration layer is way more advanced than in Aros. So most applications can be run through the integration layer which is very impressive but in all fairness I believe it is easier with a PPC, I could be wrong. I will say that both AmigaOS and MorphOS also have to resort to UAE just less often.

However, one day in the not too distant future Aros will be at the same point as the other two fine OS's. I hope when that day comes you will join us as a user.

[clusteruk]

OK when you recompile Dpaint, Scala, Brillliance, Lightwave, Cinema 4d, Wordworth 7 for AROS, let me know and I'll jump on board.

With all due respect, if you could get the source code for these applications I would be surprised if you could recompile them on AmigaOS4 or MorphOS. I may be wrong but I truly doubt it.

[stefcep2]

Please read up about this stuff, these are exactly the programs that AROS can run using the Janus emulation, and in the cause of non harwear hitting apps, like Lightwave, then the Emu that Steve has just pointed to

So can Winuae.  Its just emulation. Lightwave hits the hardware,as do DPaint, Brilliance and Scala.

[jj]

If dpaint hits the hardware how does it work through RTG  ?

[clusteruk]

If dpaint hits the hardware how does it work through RTG  ?

Interesting, I never managed to get DPaint to run with an RTG mode, always went belly up if you select one.

[stefcep2]

If dpaint hits the hardware how does it work through RTG  ?

It works badly.

Personal Paint is different.

[stefcep2]

Interesting, I never managed to get DPaint to run with an RTG mode, always went belly up if you select one.

exactly.