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Title: FPGA Accelerator Boards for 600
Post by: XDelusion on March 06, 2014, 10:46:39 PM
What ever became of those things. I never got contacted to pick up one of the early models. I know they hit Europe about a month or two.
I can't even recall what they were called at this point.
Title: Re: FPGA Accelerator Boards for 600
Post by: billt on March 06, 2014, 10:59:04 PM
Quote from: XDelusion;760293
What ever became of those things. I never got contacted to pick up one of the early models. I know they hit Europe about a month or two.
I can't even recall what they were called at this point.


Vampire

http://www.majsta.com/
Title: Re: FPGA Accelerator Boards for 600
Post by: yssing on March 06, 2014, 11:03:19 PM
I have one and it works great
Title: Re: FPGA Accelerator Boards for 600
Post by: XDelusion on March 06, 2014, 11:17:22 PM
Quote from: billt;760294
Vampire

http://www.majsta.com/


Thanks!

Glad to see they are up for order.


So how are they speed wise? Do they run a lot of games, does OctaMED run? ;)
Title: Re: FPGA Accelerator Boards for 600
Post by: XDelusion on March 06, 2014, 11:23:58 PM
OK I just read that 100Mips is coming. That's about as fast as my 060. Impressive!
Title: Re: FPGA Accelerator Boards for 600
Post by: wawrzon on March 07, 2014, 12:58:27 AM
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OK I just read that 100Mips is coming.

where? majsta hasnt been active since sime time as far i see and im not certain if anybody else picked up the project.
Title: Re: FPGA Accelerator Boards for 600
Post by: XDelusion on March 07, 2014, 02:28:20 AM
Quote from: wawrzon;760299
where? majsta hasnt been active since sime time as far i see and im not certain if anybody else picked up the project.



"Vampire 600: Meets Apollo-core :)"

Fifth article down on the home page.
Title: Re: FPGA Accelerator Boards for 600
Post by: wawrzon on March 07, 2014, 06:26:22 PM
old news. i wouldnt bet at it much, considering the experience.
Title: Re: FPGA Accelerator Boards for 600
Post by: ShK on March 07, 2014, 06:52:38 PM
Quote from: XDelusion;760296
So how are they speed wise?


https://vimeo.com/76505805
Title: Re: FPGA Accelerator Boards for 600
Post by: vox on March 07, 2014, 07:17:05 PM
Quote from: XDelusion;760296
Thanks!

Glad to see they are up for order.


So how are they speed wise? Do they run a lot of games, does OctaMED run? ;)

Made in Serbia :-) Seems to be best A600 can do. See info on page, Majsta is great Amiga geek.
Title: Re: FPGA Accelerator Boards for 600
Post by: Djole on March 08, 2014, 09:33:50 AM
Quote from: wawrzon;760321
old news. i wouldnt bet at it much, considering the experience.


Considering what experience ? The experience that Majsta made a product against all odds ? Experience that people like you laugh at him when he started the project saying its not possible, i wouldnt bet at it much etc... Or is it maybe the experience that he made a revolutionary product for Amiga (first fpga accelerator) and made it open source. Yeah that guy cant be trusted, he must be a communist or something :)
Title: Re: FPGA Accelerator Boards for 600
Post by: yssing on March 08, 2014, 10:27:48 AM
Quote from: wawrzon;760321
old news. i wouldnt bet at it much, considering the experience.

Please explain your comment.
I have one of those accelerators in my A600.
Title: Re: FPGA Accelerator Boards for 600
Post by: wawrzon on March 08, 2014, 02:50:59 PM
@yssing
do you have gunnars core running on it? i rather doubt it. i have high regards for igors achievements so far but wouldnt expect wonders. the striped down apollo core was expected to surface in autumn, or at least we would have some news. instead according to his site igor turned to another project for the time being. so i wouldnt bet for 060 class fpga accel for a600 coming up ayn soon.
Title: Re: FPGA Accelerator Boards for 600
Post by: yssing on March 08, 2014, 07:30:48 PM
@wawrzon >> So what if I don't have the apollo core running. I still have the hardware running a 68k core.
Title: Re: FPGA Accelerator Boards for 600
Post by: Oldsmobile_Mike on March 08, 2014, 08:38:22 PM
For some people the glass is half-full, others half-empty. I for one think this accelerator is awesome, would def. buy if I had an A600. ;)
Title: Re: FPGA Accelerator Boards for 600
Post by: wawrzon on March 08, 2014, 09:07:37 PM
Quote from: yssing;760371
@wawrzon >> So what if I don't have the apollo core running. I still have the hardware running a 68k core.


as you might have noticed i was answering to that post by xdelusion:
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OK I just read that 100Mips is coming. That's about as fast as my 060. Impressive!

you asked me for explanation. im not trying to pick on majstas excellent effort or spoil your fun with it, but i think it is fair to indicate to someone who might not observe the issue as closely that his expectation are a little over the top, just to avoid disappointments. dont you think?

your current core allows for a performance in a range of a middle class 030 afair, its fine but its nowhere around 100mips as yet.
Title: Re: FPGA Accelerator Boards for 600
Post by: XDelusion on March 08, 2014, 09:26:40 PM
Quote from: wawrzon;760374
as you might have noticed i was answering to that post by xdelusion:

you asked me for explanation. im not trying to pick on majstas excellent effort or spoil your fun with it, but i think it is fair to indicate to someone who might not observe the issue as closely that his expectation are a little over the top, just to avoid disappointments. dont you think?

your current core allows for a performance in a range of a middle class 030 afair, its fine but its nowhere around 100mips as yet.


Thanks to both of you. I still want one, hope I can get one, but will not look forward to the Apollo core, just as I don't expect the MorphOS team to resolve the bugs in my Efika.
Title: Re: FPGA Accelerator Boards for 600
Post by: wawrzon on March 08, 2014, 10:31:56 PM
if i still had my 600 id get one myself i guess. i hope majsta returns to this project or rather the so called "apollo" core will once see the light of the day. the best thing would be if some open community gathered around this or similar project to tweak it, alas its hopeless i fear.
Title: Re: FPGA Accelerator Boards for 600
Post by: NovaCoder on March 08, 2014, 10:47:36 PM
It looks like it's just waiting for some clever FPGA coder to adopt this project and get it moving again.
Title: Re: FPGA Accelerator Boards for 600
Post by: XDelusion on March 08, 2014, 11:16:07 PM
Quote from: wawrzon;760380
if i still had my 600 id get one myself i guess. i hope majsta returns to this project or rather the so called "apollo" core will once see the light of the day. the best thing would be if some open community gathered around this or similar project to tweak it, alas its hopeless i fear.


No doubt, you'd think he'd be mass producing them and making some money while making the community happy.

The 600 is HIGHLY underated.
Title: Re: FPGA Accelerator Boards for 600
Post by: mrmoonlight on March 09, 2014, 12:52:59 AM
Quote from: Oldsmobile_Mike;760372
For some people the glass is half-full, others half-empty. I for one think this accelerator is awesome, would def. buy if I had an A600. ;)

Hi and I would buy one if I could only get one lol does anyone know how long the waiting list is as I seen to have been on it a while ,mind you we need to be grateful that folk like  igors  are around and help to push the Amiga forward and keep it alive especially the Amiga 600 which is already one of my prize possessions and a delight to use so lets not loose track at which direction we are heading because surely with folk like  igors  around things can only keep getting better ,very best wishes Brian:laugh1::laugh1::laugh1:
Title: Re: FPGA Accelerator Boards for 600
Post by: matthey on March 09, 2014, 01:00:18 AM
Quote from: wawrzon;760321
old news. i wouldnt bet at it much, considering the experience.

Quote from: Djole;760354
Considering what experience ? The experience that Majsta made a product against all odds ? Experience that people like you laugh at him when he started the project saying its not possible, i wouldnt bet at it much etc... Or is it maybe the experience that he made a revolutionary product for Amiga (first fpga accelerator) and made it open source. Yeah that guy cant be trusted, he must be a communist or something :)


Is communist a bad term over there? It all goes in circles and I get confused. The U.S. has become the communists (President and Democrats), the Russians have become the Putin fascists (at least according to comrade Hilliary Clinton) and the Chinese have become the capitalists. Where does that leave the German realist peacemakers now? Under fire? Wawa got bashed over on EAB for harmless realistic comments too.

http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=72803

The truth is that Majsta seems to be blown out or lost interest (at least taking a break instead of working to support his fine project) and Gunnar's Phoenix is way behind schedule probably because he is a big dreamer who changes ideas all the time (the VHDL core is probably faster than any fpga core but may never be finished). That's coming from the most active member of the Apollo "Team" on the Apollo forum besides Gunnar. I have tried to help and I've tried to push but everything Amiga seems to be in this time warped lala land. It's probably just better to relax, hope for the best and not expect much. Anything good is then a pleasant surprise ;).
Title: Re: FPGA Accelerator Boards for 600
Post by: freqmax on March 09, 2014, 03:11:58 AM
Many Amiga projects seems to be derided as impossible until the skeptics are faced with the reality of hardware. Same from Minimig, Arcade, Majsta-600 etc..

One thing to look for is if the code for the project is actually released. If it ain't then the project should be considered hot air or at least potentially gone before you get any 3rd degree contact with it, ever.

Quote from: matthey;760390
Wawa got bashed over on EAB for harmless realistic comments too.


About what? in what way?
Title: Re: FPGA Accelerator Boards for 600
Post by: NovaCoder on March 09, 2014, 03:36:11 AM
Quote from: freqmax;760402
Many Amiga projects seems to be derided as impossible until the skeptics are faced with the reality of hardware. Same from Minimig, Arcade, Majsta-600 etc..

One thing to look for is if the code for the project is actually released. If it ain't then the project should be considered hot air or at least potentially gone before you get any 3rd degree contact with it, ever.



About what? in what way?


I think the source code has been released...
Title: Re: FPGA Accelerator Boards for 600
Post by: matthey on March 09, 2014, 05:25:26 AM
Quote from: freqmax;760402
About what? in what way?


The link is above. Well maybe not bashed but stung by the StingRay. StingRay has this vendetta against Gunnar or something. Wawa tried to take the middle ground and show support. It had more to do with the complete failure of Natami (according to StingRay) than anything to do with majsta's accelerator although wawa showed support for it too. Amiga people sure can be opinionated over the smallest things. I guess that's why we have 4 camps. Djole did put a :) in there so I guess it could have been worse.
Title: Re: FPGA Accelerator Boards for 600
Post by: freqmax on March 09, 2014, 06:32:08 AM
Why accomplish something when we can fight over the specifications for the next Amiga project that will dominate the world ;)
Title: Re: FPGA Accelerator Boards for 600
Post by: ShK on March 09, 2014, 06:44:53 AM
Quote from: NovaCoder;760404
I think the source code has been released...


Yes, Robinsonb5 sent the 0.1 source code to GitHub (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GitHub). It's web-based hosting service for software development projects.

https://github.com/robinsonb5/Vampire600

I made a little video about how to build the Vampire 600 Core (from Project).

https://vimeo.com/87866538
Title: Re: FPGA Accelerator Boards for 600
Post by: wawrzon on March 09, 2014, 09:36:52 AM
Quote from: matthey;760390
Is communist a bad term over there? It all goes in circles and I get confused. The U.S. has become the communists (President and Democrats), the Russians have become the Putin fascists (at least according to comrade Hilliary Clinton) and the Chinese have become the capitalists. Where does that leave the German realist peacemakers now? Under fire? Wawa got bashed over on EAB for harmless realistic comments too.

alas its way more complicated. as for german peacenicks you might consider me polish peacenik living in berlin. not that i woudnt support basic right for self definition, and russian imperialism a threat but this has nothing to do with communism;)
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http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=72803


i have not even noticed stingray responded, and i dont feel like being bashed, its a regular discussion, i do even agree with him for the most part, i just dont feel the rage.
Title: Re: FPGA Accelerator Boards for 600
Post by: Djole on March 09, 2014, 09:37:09 AM
Quote from: matthey;760390
Is communist a bad term over there? It all goes in circles and I get confused. The U.S. has become the communists (President and Democrats), the Russians have become the Putin fascists (at least according to comrade Hilliary Clinton) and the Chinese have become the capitalists. Where does that leave the German realist peacemakers now? Under fire? Wawa got bashed over on EAB for harmless realistic comments too.

http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=72803

The truth is that Majsta seems to be blown out or lost interest (at least taking a break instead of working to support his fine project) and Gunnar's Phoenix is way behind schedule probably because he is a big dreamer who changes ideas all the time (the VHDL core is probably faster than any fpga core but may never be finished). That's coming from the most active member of the Apollo "Team" on the Apollo forum besides Gunnar. I have tried to help and I've tried to push but everything Amiga seems to be in this time warped lala land. It's probably just better to relax, hope for the best and not expect much. Anything good is then a pleasant surprise ;).



Communist part was supposed to be sarcastic. I grew up in communism and it wasnt that bad. Most people had better life back then, more money and even more freedom.

It just makes me mad when i see comments like that, "... considering the experience". Makes you think the author didnt deliver anything.
Title: Re: FPGA Accelerator Boards for 600
Post by: wawrzon on March 09, 2014, 08:32:17 PM
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"... considering the experience"

apparently we are lost in translation. again, my mention of "experience" doesnt apply to majstas himself, but to the usual course of affairs in amiga world. as example i very grateful for aros68k effort by jason and toni, which alas has come almost to halt without getting where i would like it to be, a fully functional replacement and improvement on amiga operating system working well on genuine hardware, that is. thats just an example. i dont complain about it, i just observe and i wish ther would be more interest, current and cooperation to carry on. thats all.
Title: Re: FPGA Accelerator Boards for 600
Post by: XDelusion on March 09, 2014, 08:40:16 PM
Quote from: wawrzon;760447
apparently we are lost in translation. again, my mention of "experience" doesnt apply to majstas himself, but to the usual course of affairs in amiga world. as example i very grateful for aros68k effort by jason and toni, which alas has come almost to halt without getting where i would like it to be, a fully functional replacement and improvement on amiga operating system working well on genuine hardware, that is. thats just an example. i dont complain about it, i just observe and i wish ther would be more interest, current and cooperation to carry on. thats all.


Amen!
Title: Re: FPGA Accelerator Boards for 600
Post by: freqmax on March 10, 2014, 05:13:37 AM
If there is a realistic Amiga project. Make sure its feature list is improved until the workload exceeds the resources ..! :D
Title: Re: FPGA Accelerator Boards for 600
Post by: matthey on March 10, 2014, 05:58:06 AM
Quote from: wawrzon;760417
alas its way more complicated. as for german peacenicks you might consider me polish peacenik living in berlin. not that i woudnt support basic right for self definition, and russian imperialism a threat but this has nothing to do with communism;)

Would you be living in Berlin if it was not for communism? If it has nothing to do with communist imperialism and the redrawing of borders after WWII then perhaps it has to do with the lack of prosperity brought by communism? Poland was thrown under the bus by FDR. While many other allies returned home after WWII, our Polish allies that returned home found a carved up nation and severe communist oppression. For example, Witold Pilecki, one of WWII's greatest heroes, survived his infiltration of Auschwitz which he helped expose only to be murdered by the communist puppet state because he was seen as a potential threat. Putinism has dropped the communism but it still installs puppets in it's shrinking sphere of influence. At least the Germans learned their lesson and have become skeptical and peaceful while seeking economic power giving you a good home ;).

Quote from: wawrzon;760417
i have not even noticed stingray responded, and i dont feel like being bashed, its a regular discussion, i do even agree with him for the most part, i just dont feel the rage.

Any time "Natami" is mentioned on EAB he shows up and starts in on Gunnar. Even if Gunnar is incompetent, at least he is trying and believes in what he is doing. Nothing was directed at you but StingRay was a little rude to you.

Quote from: Djole;760418
Communist part was supposed to be sarcastic. I grew up in communism and it wasnt that bad. Most people had better life back then, more money and even more freedom.

I understood your sarcasm. Your English was spot on. Wawa's English words could have been better chosen but it's also the inability to convey emotion in written language. I know wawa though and know he supports 68k projects like majstas.

It's sad that the corruption and socialism in your country are so bad that communism "wasn't that bad". Communism stifled creativity in Eastern Europe for many years and it takes a while to come back. Majsta has risen above and for a cause other than money (although a small profit could better allow him to continue to do what he loves). I respect that and hope his recent distraction is short lived.
Title: Re: FPGA Accelerator Boards for 600
Post by: wawrzon on March 10, 2014, 12:25:43 PM
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Would you be living in Berlin if it was not for communism?

who knows, though me living in berlin has not directly to do with politics, rather with fate but its sorta complicated, but to be honest i never actually intended to leave poland for germany even though it was an oppressive corrupt state.
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If it has nothing to do with communist imperialism

actually its just russian imperialism most of the time. im not sure all those of russian leaders who and how long has taken communism really seriously.. perhaps trotzki, but to me it looks like it ended right there: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Economic_Policy , in the twenties, just few years after the revolution. and they have realized their fail very well, abusing the ideology for popaganda and otherwise bringing up excuses. of which the basic line was "we do not live in communism, but socialist society is our goal". in fact, if one really wanted, there is one basic thing that prevents communism to actually get done, and trotzki was aware of it, the others not so much. communism would have to conquer the world in an instant. not saying they were more human if they did, just after they failed to break through to germany in 1920 they had no other perspective as effectively to degrade to a stalinistic national imperialism.

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Poland was thrown under the bus by FDR. While many other allies returned home after WWII, our Polish allies that returned home found a carved up nation and severe communist oppression. For example, Witold Pilecki, one of WWII's greatest heroes, survived his infiltration of Auschwitz which he helped expose only to be murdered by the communist puppet state because he was seen as a potential threat. Putinism has dropped the communism but it still installs puppets in it's shrinking sphere of influence. At least the Germans learned their lesson and have become skeptical and peaceful while seeking economic power giving you a good home .

all that is very well known to me. my grandfather who died few years ago escaped poland in the 1940 with his brother over the mountains for france and then england, became a fighter pilot and my uncle fought under monte cassino. luckily he has been spared, probably  he wouldnt come back if not for his wife. curious that you know all these stories, personal interest?

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StingRay was a little rude to you.
not that ive noticed, its his style of posting and he was very much ticizing gunnar from the start. think ive been more rude than him at times.;)
Title: Re: FPGA Accelerator Boards for 600
Post by: skolman on March 10, 2014, 01:30:45 PM
Quote from: XDelusion;760377
(...) just as I don't expect the MorphOS team to resolve the bugs in my Efika.


It's about the sound? It is possible that on the board is defective resistor. The boards Sam460ex/AmigaOne500 was a similar problem http://www.acube-systems.biz/index.php?page=news&id=115
Title: Re: FPGA Accelerator Boards for 600
Post by: vox on March 10, 2014, 01:51:31 PM
Quote from: skolman;760486
It's about the sound? It is possible that on the board is defective resistor. The boards Sam460ex/AmigaOne500 was a similar problem http://www.acube-systems.biz/index.php?page=news&id=115

There were problems with Efika?
Title: Re: FPGA Accelerator Boards for 600
Post by: skolman on March 10, 2014, 02:15:44 PM
Quote from: vox;760488
There were problems with Efika?


Yes, are problems on Efika with the crackling audio, and swapping channel.
Title: Re: FPGA Accelerator Boards for 600
Post by: XDelusion on March 10, 2014, 07:25:45 PM
Quote from: skolman;760486
It's about the sound? It is possible that on the board is defective resistor. The boards Sam460ex/AmigaOne500 was a similar problem http://www.acube-systems.biz/index.php?page=news&id=115

 I doubt it's the board because it seems that ALL Efika users but one that I have spoken to have the same issues with sound.

Edit: They also never included support for the Serial port, therefore NO MIDI. So really, what good was spending that money for?
Title: Re: FPGA Accelerator Boards for 600
Post by: skolman on March 11, 2014, 01:17:16 PM
Quote from: XDelusion;760506
I doubt it's the board because it seems that ALL Efika users but one that I have spoken to have the same issues with sound.

Also doubt, because Efika hardware mixer Line In/Mic no crackling audio.