AmigaOS 4.1 for Classics imminent

[Franko]

Brussels - May 7th, 2011.

Hyperion Entertainment CVBA is pleased to announce that all materials comprising the AmigaOS 4.1 distribution for Amiga 1200/3000/4000 equipped with the appropriate PowerPC based accelerator card (Cyberstorm PPC or BlizzardPPC) have now been completed.

Could you clarify this time when you say "for Amiga 1200/3000/4000 equipped with the appropriate PowerPC based accelerator card" that this software is useless on such a machine without some form of RTG card as well...

Or is this unlike 4.0 (which I bought) and was not told that I would need an RTG card to make it usable along with my BlizzardPPC...

So is an RTG card required as well for 4.1 Classic or will it run at decent speed (unlike 4.0) on just an A1200 with a PPC card... thank you...

[Franko]

Franko, you've been told a bazillion times that OS4 doesn't automagically remove the performance limitations of the AGA chipset.

Run OS4 in the same screenmode and bitplane depth you run OS3.x and it will be fine.

Yeah by folks like Karlos, but when I purchased OS 4.0 there was no mention in the advertising or even on the box that I would need an RTG card as well to make it useable...

It's simply stated like the first post here an A1200 with PCC card is all that's needed...

How many time do I have to say it, I do run it in standard video modes and no matter what it still runs slower than a one legged tortoise, surely thats not too difficult to understand for the umpteenth time... :rolleyes:

[Franko]

It will run on AGA, and in fact quite a bit of work was done on the Installation process to ensure ECS and AGA would work.

Having said that, the experience with ECS/AGA is nothing compared against the experience with any graphics card.  Therefore I would highly recommend a graphics card otherwise I think you would be disappointed.

Thank you that's all I wanted to know, after my experience with OS4.0 and despite what Karlos & Nicholas claim without an RTG board of some kind OS4.0 was just unusable...

So at least now I know OS4.1 is not for me, I only asked because once again it's only being claimed you just need a PPC card and no mention of needing a GFX card, thank you for clearing that up for me...

[Franko]

@ kik300r

How can it pump life into real Amiga when once again it's going to be slower than a dead donkey unless you have a GFX card...

Nah... afraid this aint the holy grail I've been looking for...


@Karlos

I bet it doesn't mind though, I'll talk to anyone who cares to listen (or not) whichever the case may be...

Anyway these bot thingies need attention too, I recall a wee while back you posted a link to some bot thingy that you could have a conversation with to try and prove if it was a bot or a real people, spoke to it for hours so I did then me Mac froze up...


@ actung_bab

Howdee Doody mate...

I would send you it but it's such a burden looking after one of these things I couldn't let you suffer that, so I'll keep it for now and maybe leave it to you in me will...

PS: PS3 aint for me I'm afraid, got no Amiga badge on it...

[Franko]

Hey Franko somebody here in the forums searched for OS4 for classics - probably you both can settle an agreement?

Erm... solly me no understandy the question... :confused:

[Franko]

@ kix300r

And how many times have I said in my posts that I have never been able to but a BVision board to go with the BPCC...

I've only seen two on eBay in the past 4 or 5 years and was outbid on them both...


@ Darrin

My main A1200 is in a tower (I've posted pics of it many times and it can also be seen in my profile page). The desktop A1200s are mainly only used for testing purposes with their different accelerator boards...

After spending nearly 500 quid to buy the BlizzardPPC then I aint wasting any more money on a mediator set up, much rather wait for the NatAmi which seems better suited to me...

@ fryguy

Well that's a no-brainer... cos it didn't come with a BVision in the sale...
AGA isn't slow as hell, you must be doing it wrong or only have chipmem on your set up...

PS: I aint whining about 4.1 I was simply asking if it still (like 4.0) required a GFX card to make it useable, simple enough question and simple enought ti understand...

[Franko]

@ Karlos

Hmm.... I clearly recall a wee while back you "thought" that it was just me who "thought" that OS 4.0 didn't perform well on an A1200 without GFX card...

My main towered up A1200 (with the BPPC/060) runs in 3.5 and I'm very happy with it's performance on the 060 side. I've seen videos of RTG boards in action and while impressive they wouldn't be a major benefit to myself and my uses, for me the most important and useful upgrades ever were the 060 and 256MB of RAM...

Over many, many years I honed my systems to run at their best for which ever processor and amount of RAM they are using, I've never understood the complaint from folk about interlaced modes, set the palette up correctly and some adjustment to your monitor and they are fine for the occasional use that I have for them...

(I run about 95% of the time in 640 x 256 in 128 colours and that to me is the perfect set up for my needs on a miggy)...

Even nearly a year on I still cant get used to this iMac screen and it's LCD display much prefer my old CRT displays and Amiga resolutions for computer work, probably just down to 30 years of using CRT since the days of my first VIC 20 and tweaking and setting up things to get the best out of them...

Only thing that I really would like to see for the Amiga in future is basically what the NatAmi has to offer, just hope they have a proper RGB output that I can use on my old CRT monitors, as LCD displays I just don't like mainly due to the poor scrolling qualities and limited viewing angles (though the contrast has improved on them over the years)...

At the end of the day, each to their own I say if your happy with it then that's all that should matter, gigahertz of speed and millions of colours at once is not a requirement for me and my Amiga...

[Franko]

@ Karlos

Once again nothing but your own personal opinions on this (just as my posts are). My remarks in regard to the the slowness of OS4.0 in my case are not "Exaggerated". As I already in the past told you I tried your suggestions but they made little or no difference to the speed or performance...

I was under no "Delusion" of any kind but was sold a product that failed to mention in any of the advertising or even on the box that a GFX card was required to get it to perform at a decent speed, all that was ever stated both in the advertising and on the very box itself was that a PPC board was required, not one single word about requiring a GFX card...

So there was no "Delusions" on my part, more like false advertising on the sellers part...

I laugh at how you always like to say "end of story" as if your word is the be all and end all of any given subject, time you got your head out of your rear end and realised your not the only one around here who knows about the Amigas capabilities...

As for your last trite comment in that post, OS4.0 was sold as only requiring a PPC board nothing ever mentioned about a GFX card so from that it's perfectly reasonable to assume from the details given by the seller that if all you need is a PPC accelerator and the OS is written in native PPC code then it would be reasonable to assume the it would run faster than even an specifically written 060 piece of code... :p

So as usual on this subject your comments are typically flawed and based on nothing but you own opinions , so please stop with the high and mighty act that your word is somehow better than anyone else's  and your "end of story" nonsense you like state so often is a cop out for things you have no answer too...

[Franko]

I think you might want to take a look at the credits on OS4.

WHY... if Karlos is on there is still doesn't change a thing I've said, it's only his opinion and nothing else just as what I have said is my opinion and nothing else...

I asked a question here which HammerD answered perfectly for me but Karlos for some reason stuck his big nose in with his usual attitude he has these days of trying to belittle things folks say...

Unfortunately you're not allowed to put moderators on your ignore list otherwise I would have had Karlos on mine for the past couple of months, as since my wee argument with Red I find Karlos attitude towards me has drastically changed since I first came to this site...

Simple point is, I got my answer from HammerD and replied saying thank you and that's all I needed to know but yourself and Karlos seem to want to try and draw me into some kind of argument about something I no longer have an interest in and cant grasp the simple concept of what I clearly stated in my earlier posts in this thread...

Now as neither of you can seem to grasp that simple concept then to use one of Karlos favourite sayings...

END OF STORY...

[Franko]

@ Karlos

When it comes to the use of OS4.0 could you please understand what I am about to say here...

Without going over all the technical deatails and ins and outs of the whole subject, it breaks down as this for me...

I purchased OS4.O when it first came out to use with the very same BlizzardPPC board you own, only difference being I do not have the BVision card for it.

I upgraded OS4.0 wth the only upgrade ever released for it...

Despite trying everything my many years of using the Amiga had taught me, nothing I could do would make the thing run at what I personally consider to be an acceptable speed from the very basic things like drawing the Icons on the Workbench screen to the resizing of windows, it was and still is like running an Amiga with chipmem only...

I even tried the advice you gave me a while back and the result was only very slightly better but not good enough in comparison to running 3.5 on the 060 side of things...

I simply asked the question here if 4.1 would be any different in the hope that there had been a significant improvement in speed to use on a set up like mine, to which HammerD kindly pointed out that there wouldn't be...

There is nothing wrong with my BlizzardPPC card as it runs PowerUP application perfectly and at what I regard as blistering speed, For example Frodo the C64 emulator, full screen, full speed, no frame skip and full audio all without the use of an RTG card and using native AGA screenmodes, something which can't be achieved using OS4.0 on my set up...

So for me 4.0 is useless and it would appear so is 4.1 unless I ever mange to get hold of a Bvision board, the last one I heard of was the one you so kindly informed me about when I had left the site a while back but unfortunately I never heard from the chap who was selling it...

My only use for OS4.0 these days (and has been for a number of years now) is to use the program AmiDVD to create DVD ISO images as I've never got round to finishing my own ISO creator on the 68K side of things. I use my own DVD burning utils that I wrote for the 68K side as AmiDVD on OS4.0 on my set up is just over a third slower at burning DVS in comparison to my own...

So please understand now I have the answer that OS4.1 is of no use to me, I really have no interest in taking part in arguments or debates on my experience of OS4.0 I use it for one sole purpose as stated and that suits me fine. I really have nothing more I care to say on this subject so would you please stop making posts at me, as I really don't care anymore about the entire subject of OS4.x

Thank you...

PS: since you've posted yet again while I was typing this with the comment...

You were the one that dragged this argument back up when you said:

then I should remind you that again you are wrong as you chimed in before I made that post with this post

http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=636544&postcount=33

Anyway I've made myself clear enough on this subject, so if you want to carry on with this pointless "debate" and lame attempt at taking this piss feel free, just keep me out of it please...