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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Marketplace => Topic started by: mrmkl on February 05, 2008, 08:03:53 PM
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I will be selling around 20 pcs of IDE-adapters, maybe on eBay, or otherwise. I'll put some information about the adapter on the web page. (http://www.iki.fi/mkl/ide/ide68k.html)
I have also some blank printed circuit boards that are compatible with the "ps2m" mouse adapter. It is the version 0.7 on this page. (http://www.iki.fi/mkl/ps2mhiiri627/) Total number of boards to sell now is about 50. Price is 10 euros for 7 boards and one PIC programming adapter pcb, exluding shipping. The programming adapter converts DIP18 header to a 2x5 female header.
My e-mail address is mika.leinonen@tut.fi
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To decide a selling price, I'm putting it to 35 euros for 1 ide68k board with all surface mount parts soldered and cpld preprogrammed with current design, excluding shipping.
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wow, great job ! pm sent :)
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Please note, that the 35 euros doesn't yet bring you a working IDE solution (almost does), but you need something to connect the board to the 68k socket and the 68 cpu. The most cheapest way to do it is to place the cpu under the board, instead over it, and solder the board to the cpu using, for example row header strips (2 x 32 pins.)
For it to autboot, you'll need a Kickstart 40.063 (KS3.1) or a 37.350 (KS2.05)
I have maybe 2 pcs of extra 68000 CPUs, and will sell (two pcs of) boards soldered on the CPU, and the adapter briefly tested, for a price of 50 euros + shipping.
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Erm, could you explain what you mean in a little more detail as it's not very clear.
Sorry to be a pain.
Andy
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Nice work !
Are you going to post the schematic to the IDE-adapter ?
Are you going to sell any blank pcbs for the IDE-adapter ?
:-)
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If it came with a socket, I buy two, so I had a spare. :-D
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I'll try take some photos to explain the socketing. The task is to connect the adapter board to the amiga buses, while not disconnecting the cpu at the same time, so some kind of piggy-backing is needed.
I will add the schematic on the www page in a few days.
I have only one (intentionally left) blank PCB, others have at least the CPLD already soldered.
An example of specialty headers:
http://www.mill-max.com/images/products/pdf/061.PDF
The lower ends of pins should narrow, because thick pins would damage the cpu socket.
(64 pins would cost about $10, at digi-key)
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I've purchased some headers and sockets from ebay-sellers, so in a week or two i'll be able to sell completed and tested boards. I'm asking the price of 45 euros + shipping charges for one board.
If the shipment destination is outside of the EU, the customs in the receiving country may want to declare it and charge duty and taxes. :rtfm:
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It´s only for A600? or it work on any Amiga? Minimig?
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Did you mean A500? The A600 has already an IDE-connector. This interface emulates the IDE-interface of A600, and the board plugs into the 64-pin DIP socket of A500/1000/2000 models. Also the IDE-connector is a 40-pin one, used in 3.5" inch hard disks. (A600 has a 44-pin connector for 2.5" inch drives)
(The connector actually has 39 pins, since from one pin location the pin is a removed "key-pin".)
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Hmm, always needed to check, is IDE 5v or 3.3v....
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Fransexy_ wrote:
It´s only for A600? or it work on any Amiga? Minimig?
It will be of use with the A500, CDTV or A2000.
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If the minimig mimicks the a500 perfectly, should this be possible to piggyback on the 68k of the minimig?
Whats causing it not to work on the minimig?
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arnljot wrote:
If the minimig mimicks the a500 perfectly, should this be possible to piggyback on the 68k of the minimig?
Whats causing it not to work on the minimig?
The CPU on the minimig is in a different package than it is on the 500 or 2000 (or 1000).
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B00tDisk wrote:
arnljot wrote:
If the minimig mimicks the a500 perfectly, should this be possible to piggyback on the 68k of the minimig?
Whats causing it not to work on the minimig?
The CPU on the minimig is in a different package than it is on the 500 or 2000 (or 1000).
Also a different voltage.
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arnljot wrote:
If the minimig mimicks the a500 perfectly
It doesnt.
arnljot wrote:
should this be possible to piggyback on the 68k of the minimig?
No.
arnljot wrote:
Whats causing it not to work on the minimig?
1)Voltage (IDE = 5v, MiniMig = 3.3v)
2)Missing Signals, this board needs more than 68k signals. You would have to recompile minimig to bring extra signals from unused I/O pins, assuming similar functionality even exists.
3)Why would you want to? MiniMig has a mass storage device (the MMC/SD card) it is only a matter of time before it can be used as a hard drive just by uploading a new PIC firmware and MiniMig build.
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downix wrote:
B00tDisk wrote:
arnljot wrote:
If the minimig mimicks the a500 perfectly, should this be possible to piggyback on the 68k of the minimig?
Whats causing it not to work on the minimig?
The CPU on the minimig is in a different package than it is on the 500 or 2000 (or 1000).
Also a different voltage.
That, too! :-)
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The parts will probably arrive during this week.
I will make deals and accept payments now, and ship the boards as soon as possible, probably this week. In case the "mail-order" parts dont arrive in time, I'll buy some parts from local electronics shops, in order to make sure that the buyer should not have to wait too long.
I have also three pcs of IDE-cable to CF-card socket adapters to sell with the IDE adapters with combined price of 50 euros including shipping the lowest cost way (standard letter post.)
IDE adapter 45 euros including shipping.
The prices include a brief test for each part (booting from an amiga formatted CF-card in IDE-mode), but it's best to have some disclaimer: absolute guarantee that your unique data will be safe using the IDE adapters is not given, so you should always back-up anything valuable.
I'm also selling some PS2M mouse adapters completed&tested for 10 euros each.
From the euro-payment area i'd prefer to receive bank transfers using my IBAN&BIC account numbers. I have also a paypal-account.
If interested, please send e-mail to: mika.leinonen@tut.fi
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In the original A500 case there isn't much clearance under the keyboard, so it may be necessary to solder the cpu directly to the adapter board. (No space for both a socket and the cpu, in the front of the adapter board, where the keyboards comes lowest.) (I typed a few words about this on the www-page as well.)
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mrmkl wrote:
I'm also selling some PS2M mouse adapters completed&tested for 10 euros each.
is this all I would need ? I mean your adaptor + a PS2 mouse...do I need any extra hardware/soldering and/or do I need to install any software ? Would a scroll wheel work ?
cheers
Tom
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About the scroll wheel see the software from the PS2M author:
http://aminet.net/search?readme=ps2m
I have been too lazy to test it myself, but if I haven't made any errors on the PCB, scroll wheel will work with that driver and a short cable from the pin header to Amiga's second joystick port. The cable can be made from ribbon cable and insulation displacement connectors (D9F and a 10-pin IDC-female connector.)
To emulate a normal Amiga mouse, no drivers are needed, the microcontroller emulates an amiga mouse. The adapter is soldered and tested.
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There are still a few ide boards for sale.
Completed boards for 40 euros + shipping.
World wide shipping for 7 euros. Up to 250 grams, no tracking or insurance, priority airmail letter.
To Europe: 5 euros. With these prices, I can send packages that are over 30 mm in height, which gives more room for padding material than cheaper options where max height is 30 mm.
Mouse adapter price is 10 euros + shipping, 1 euros to Europe, to World for 1.40 euros, priority airmail 20..50 grams, typical delivery time is around one week (but not guarenteed).
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Please be patient.
I have not managed to assemble the boards as fast as I thought, I have only sent 2 of 8 boards sold. I hope I will get most of the remaining shipments on their way by next week.
If someone who has bought a board from me, and doesn't mind waiting (about one more week), and wants a DIP-64 68HC000-16 chip soldered directly on board, can send e-mail to mika.leinonen@tut.fi Also the remaining boards are for sale.
For the remaining boards not yet sold, I'll also offer the 68HC000 chip already soldered directly on board. I don't anymore take payments until each board is ready to ship to the buyer.
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It seems all the ide boards are sold now.
See latest page.
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will there be another run ?
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It's possible, I have thought about that.
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(http://www.students.tut.fi/~leinone3/ide/ide68kv106ylta.jpg)
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2nd run. (http://www.iki.fi/mkl/ide/ide68k.html) There will be around 20 pcs for sale. Pricing the same, 40 euros. Or buy two and get a ps/2 mouse adapter for free. :pint:
mika.leinonen@tut.fi
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This is a great project and well worth the money, thank you for continuing development on it! Please put me down on the list if you decide to make the version with ram. I have two of the first run and I would be interested in at least one and possibly two of those.
-Jeff
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Looks great!
I have an A500 with an M-TEC 020 accelerator and 4MB... does someone tested it together with the IDE controller? Does it work in A2000/Blizzard 060?
Would it be possible to activate faster PIO modes using some kind of small commodity? (of course that would require that these faster modes were implemented). Or maybe implement a small DMA engine (although that would require to load a different scsi.device driver or a heavily patched one)
I would be interested in one when you add more memory (0/2/4/8 MB configurable with a jumper) and maybe a clockport (remember to mark very clear which one is the pin number one).
Network card or maybe an isa or pcmcia slot would be a dream come true.
Maybe 2 active ISA slots... I don't know.
As I haven't seen many 3rd party accelerators besides Atari's 030 or Lucas I'd like to know if it would be very difficult to add let's say a 020 or 030 cpu... with some ram, of course.
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I would like two! 1 with no RAM and 1 with RAM (when its ready)
Email sent.
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Wish I had some extra $$ right now. I've been thinking about a possible modification of a number of projects.
In particular, there's a lot of 68k socket stuff for the A500 with no clearance under the keyboard. How about a board which could shift the socket stack towards the back of the computer a few inches to allow for an IDE port, clock ports, and whatever else in the "blank" space over the socket. Then you could use the "shifted" socket towards the back of the case for your Derringer, MTec, or other accelerator.
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Adjusting PIO-modes probably doesn't do much anything with 7 MHz 68000, this circuit doesn't really even check if the drive wants wait-states by using the IORDY signal. :roll: DMA is doable, when the CPLD controls the address lines of an on-board RAM chip. Some 68HC000 may be overclocked to atleast 28 MHz, as is proven by "Supraturbo."
The RAM chip which would be nice, is KM416C4104C, a 5 volt 4M x 16bit EDO DRAM. It is rare, I would have 4 pcs if I desolder them from SIMMs. (3.3 volt EDO chips are more common, but anyways obsolete) I have been planning a board to the dip-64 socket with that RAM and a CPLD (it would have only RAM.) I have another plans for a board that has RAM, ROM, IDE, CF and clockport.
An internal PCMCIA connector should be possible to add, for WLAN or ethernet card.
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A socket adapter, that shifts back the 68000 socket would be simple, but not extremely cheap, because it takes some PCB area.
It seems possible in A500. How much back can you move in A1000, A2000, or CDTV? How wide can the PCB be in these models?
There are still many V106 adapters/blank pcbs (+parts) for sale, 5 pcs at eBay, too. Also mouse adapters/blank pcbs.
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I'm offering a shipping to to "world" for fixed price of 5 euros. (without insurance or tracking, insurance or other services may cost more.)
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Don't know if you've seen it already but Zetr0 on the EAB started this thread and released some schematics for a homebuilt 14Mhz 68k accelerator for the A600 (http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=31563). You just have to scroll down a little or search for the word "Musashi".
Anyway the IDE adapter looks cool.
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An update: there has been no advancement in the 8MB fastram design in the past few weeks (with IDE and other extensions.) I did made a lot of "sketches" of boards, but things don't seem to "click together" perfectly. Of course I could "just do it", but now I am busy until next week.
The remaining sold boards not yet shipped will probably be sent on friday (delayed 1 week from previous "schedule" I have emailed some buyers.)
There a small number of IDE-adapters for sale, and many ps2m-adapters. I think it best use trackable mail when sending long distances, because sometime the risk of lost shipment comes true. Price is 5,60 for registered, or 7,80 for Exprès mail. The latter has a tracking code.
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@Copland:
I have looked at the project. On Aminet (and not only there), there have been different double-frequency accelerator projects. The bottle neck of these accelerators is that there is no "fast ram", without a lot of waiting for (chip) RAM to be free to access. The acceleration is reduced to surprisingly little, it may be hardly noticeable. I haven't build a 14 MHz accelerator, but I aim to make similar with fastram, and try to see how much I can overclock it. 32MHz? 24MHz?
A500 accelerator is a bit simpler than a A600 one, because the CPU can be pulled from its socket, so the bus grant method of disabling the original CPU is not necessary (for internal accelerator, that replaces the original DIP64 68000.)
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Shipping the sold boards has advanced rather sluggishly, but during this weekend I plan to have all packed and sent.
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Will this IDE board work on an A1000?
Can it work with < 3.0? That is, if i had a 1.3 workbench floppy disk that had the necessary driver, could it boot from the floppy into 1.3, then continue the boot process from the IDE drive, or does it require additions in the OS provided in 3.x?
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yorgle wrote:
Can it work with < 3.0?
no. you need at least 37.300 rom (37.350 better, 3.1 best)
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yorgle wrote:
Will this IDE board work on an A1000?
Can it work with < 3.0? That is, if i had a 1.3 workbench floppy disk that had the necessary driver, could it boot from the floppy into 1.3, then continue the boot process from the IDE drive, or does it require additions in the OS provided in 3.x?
Software-wise:
If you have the A3000 super kickstart disk and the Workbench 2.1 boot disk, no problem. But you also need:
Hardware-wise:
At least 1Mb of Chip RAM, plus some FAST RAM.
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Other way: If your A1000 have the kickstart ROM 2.05 (37300 or 37350), simply plug the board and use the Install disk of the Workbench 2.1.
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Neither of the above? Forget about it!
Without a SCSI.device loaded in RAM, you can't boot from the HD, neither access it after diskette boot.
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Hi all,
Last night i lost out by £1 on ebay when trying to buy an ICD AdIDE.
I have advertised for a solution to adding a hdd to an a500 on amibay but was advised by coze on eab to check out this thread.
I have sent a pm to mrmkl but would like to ask a couple of questions before proceeding.
Is this compatible with a v1.3 A500 and will it autoboot or will i need a kickstart upgrade for that feature?
Will it fit in a standard A500 as i read somewhere that the clearance may not be enough under the a500 keyboard?
Will this work with a cf adaptor or will i need an actual hdd?
Sorry for the long 1st post just trying to get the full picture.
Thanks for the help
Mike
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These V1.06 will fit, it's low profile. The newer (A600) KS is needed to autoboot.
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[d]I think there are no more IDE-boards left to sell.[/d]
EDIT: I have sent e-mail/p-mail to those who had made inquiries about the remaining boards.
EDIT: I put 4 pcs for sale at ebay.de (http://cgi.ebay.de/IDE-interface-ide68k-to-DIP-64-68000-socket-Amiga_W0QQitemZ190227790846QQihZ009QQcategoryZ8142QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
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(The shipping cost 10 euros includes registered mail and packaging materials.)
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bought one thru eGay.
how about offering next batch to resellers ie amigakit or vesalia?
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"how about offering next batch to resellers ie amigakit or vesalia?"
Maybe factory made run with rohs compliance, so the eu "feds" won't get after me.
Please people, don't lick the boards I've sent to you, they are made of leady NOS (new old stock) parts. (Which I've bought at prices lower than brand new lead-free parts might be at sellers like Digikey.)
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I thought it was a weird looking tongue depresser. :-D
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I put mouse adapters for sale at eBay
I was going to order more ide PCBs, since there have been some interested people. I'll see if the next revision will be ready this week.
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CompactFlash connector added in CFIDE68K version 188.link (http://www.iki.fi/mkl/ide/ide68k.html)
I'll get the blank PCBs next week.
There will probably be a few pieces, built&tested, for sale for 50 euros + 10 euros for shipping.
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After abel hdl code bug fix it started working. Some boards are allready reserved, but there are some left for sale.
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So, with this I can *boot* from an IDE drive? What are all the features?
How much for shipping to the U.S. and will it work on an A2500?
Thanks!
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Any news on a version with FastRAM?
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You'll need an A600 ks-rom in the socket, the inbuilt driver then boots from the drive. Price is 50 euros + 10 euros for registered airmail shipping + packing.
I think I'll make a 8MB ram board that can be stacked with ide-board and 68000 cpu.
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I aim to finish a PCB design an order some proto PCB:s for an 8 Mbyte memory expansion in a few weeks or months.
The adapter will most likely be made of 8M x 8 bit 3.3 volt DRAM chips and two 3.3V CPLD chips for voltage conversion, data multiplexing, dram address and control signals and autoconfig(tm).
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@mrmkl
The problem of a RAM board that is stacked is that if you add the IDE controller it will be too tall :-/
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Amiga 500 TOWER system!
An Amiga A500 with lefthand expansion like Supra28accelerator and mem unit and hard drive and A570 was the width of an entire desk!(I've got all those things,not used in years,though.)
Once upon a time you could buy a kit to remote your A500 keyboard.
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@recidivist
An Amiga A500 with lefthand expansion like Supra28accelerator and mem unit and hard drive and A570 was the width of an entire desk!(I've got all those things,not used in years,though.)
That's the reason I would prefer that everything fit inside the standard case. That's why I would prefer an A500 ram+ide board.
@Mika Leinonen
A friend of mine has a 12Mhz 68000 on his A500 with an asynchronous design he did (disk drive and other things work perfect without any additional software/hardware patch), even thought it will probably be trivial for you if you want I could ask him the schematics so your ram board also works as simple 68000 accelerator if the user wants (and has access to a faster 68000).
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mrmkl wrote:
I aim to finish a PCB design an order some proto PCB:s for an 8 Mbyte memory expansion in a few weeks or months.
The adapter will most likely be made of 8M x 8 bit 3.3 volt DRAM chips and two 3.3V CPLD chips for voltage conversion, data multiplexing, dram address and control signals and autoconfig(tm).
Hi
Any news about this new pcb ide68k?
I got one of your ide68k rev 1.88a
And i work good, Even with apollo 520 axx board. (external on zorro bus)
So I want too buy another one.