The Os 3.1.4 Thread

[my_pc_is_amiga]

For the multiview issue, this one, and any other minor issue it doesn't sound like there is any plan for a 3.1.4.2...instead next release is a 3.2?

Cross-posting a copy command memory leak issue from here:

http://forum.hyperion-entertainment.com/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=4321

I afraid it is too late now.

[Rotzloeffel]

no, not realy

[kolla]

That's how it goes when there's no official and publicly available bug tracker that users can compare bugs they find against. So unnecessary.

[guest11527]

That's how it goes when there's no official and publicly available bug tracker that users can compare bugs they find against. So unnecessary.

There is one. There is a support thread at the Hyperion web side right for that. It doesn't take a bug tracker to collect bugs from users. But it doesn't matter if the bug is reported too late.

[kolla]

There is one. There is a support thread at the Hyperion web side right for that.

That is not a bug tracker - you don't know what a bug tracker is??

It takes a public bug tracker for _users_ to know what bugs are already _known_ and, potentially, addressed.

[guest11527]

That is not a bug tracker

Yes.  But, guess what, you can still report bugs there. Is there a reason why I need to repeat this again?

It takes a public bug tracker for _users_ to know what bugs are already _known_ and, potentially, addressed.

My experience is that the barrier for *users* using bug trackers is too high, leave alone looking up what bugs are reported, leave alone providing useful bug reports that could be handled this way. So, yes, we do have an internal bug tracker where the bugs collected there go, but not for the public. A bug tracker is next to useless for the general audience.

[kolla]

I have zero interest in reporting bugs that may or may not be already known, it's just too much hassle.

At least you could have a text file somewhere, listing a summary of all known bugs. How hard can it be to generate such a list from your internal bug tracker

[TribbleSmasher]

Doesn't make sense. It is lot less work on your part if you just drop a few lines here instead of studying the whole buglist and then drop the very same text.

[guest11527]

I have zero interest in reporting bugs that may or may not be already known, it's just too much hassle.

I had enough university projects where it was a quite hard fight to convince users (from academia) to use a bug tracker. Now do that with arbitrary users. Please go here, create an account, register your mail, select the subsystem, type the bug description here...

Be realistic: Forget it. Even in my unversity projects, most users wrote emails, much to my dislike, because it was just easier. Users know how to use a forum. We collect bugs, decide whether that even is a bug in first place. Keep the barrier low for users. A forum is ideal for them - easy access, known medium, low barrier. We filter, collect and feed the bugtracker.

At least you could have a text file somewhere, listing a summary of all known bugs. How hard can it be to generate such a list from your internal bug tracker

Not hard. But why would that help? Would users read them before reporting? No. Reading bug lists requires understanding bugs, requires some technical background, and investing time for it. Thanks, but no, thanks.

[kolla]

So dumb sheep, that is what we are.

(Begs the question - what do dumb sheep need "advanced" CLI for.)

[guest11527]

So dumb sheep, that is what we are.

It is really that simple: If you want to get access to a bug tracker, become a beta tester. You get early access to the beta phase, a bug list, and a bug tracker. You don't what that? Well, then you're a user. Decide your role, but don't complain about the consequences.

Users don't want to be bothered with bug tracking, which is quite a task and requires in depth knowledge of the system and its components - this does not quality anyone as "dumb". I don't want to be bothered with the internal workings of my washing machine either, I just want that it does its job properly.

[kolla]

It is realy not my loss that you miss out on bug reports.

[guest11527]

It is realy not my loss that you miss out on bug reports.

Should I be afraid? This is a free world. You can take decisions as you like, but don't make anyone else feel guilty for consequences of your decision you don't like. You can contribute in many ways if you like. You can report bugs in the Hyperion forum as user, and they will be read. Or you can become a beta tester if you like, and get better access, but more responsibility. Or become a developer, and get even more access, and even more responsibility.

It's really your choice to pick. What else should I say? You want to pout since you don't get what you want? Well, works for me, too. I cannot change the rules either.

[TribbleSmasher]

Googling kolla's sig brings out his interpretation of responsibility....

[kolla]

Googling kolla's sig brings out his interpretation of responsibility....

Yes, though it's much harder to spot now, due to it being my signature.

Right?