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Offline Acill

Re: Troubleshooting a pair of A2000's
« on: July 02, 2016, 02:46:25 PM »
Quote from: QuikSanz;810521
Send the best one to Acill in Oxnard and have him give it once over. Then have him look at the really bad one.


Uggg... 2000 and 3000 are not my favorite to look over. If its totally dead I may not be able to do a lot. Battery damage on the older machines are real hard to fix. They are mostly through hole components and have a lot of places that stuff can eat into traces and soak inside the boards from.

I would be glad to look at them both, and if you send them I'm sure I can salvage the good one that boots and take what I need from the bad one to save the other. Honestly with the price of an A2000 that works I feel its not worth a lot of effort to rework a dead one though. I would still have to charge you for my time and materials even if it doesnt work after an attempt. I usually stop at that point and tell people before it goes much over $150 of time.
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Offline Acill

Re: Troubleshooting a pair of A2000's
« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2016, 05:37:53 PM »
Quote from: Huxley_D;810546
Well, I think I might've found the problem with the "new" A2000:

http://imgur.com/oIQQhtS

Yikes!

What's the best newbie-friendly way to clean this up? I'm not gonna be crushed if this mobo is dead forever, but if nothing else I'd like to practice my battery cleanup technique on this board before I attempt the same on my mostly-working Rev. 6.2 board...


Thats the CPU and at a minimum you need to pull it out and clean up those pins.

Go get yourself a big bottle of 99.9% of Iso NOT rubbing or store bought stuff, get 99.9 at least! You also need to get a bottle of concentrated lemon juice.

Brush on the lemon juice over the green areas and let it soak in good. Use an old tooth brush and scrub the effected areas off. Do it a few times if you need, its got to be done and it needs to get into all the problem leaking spots. you have a good chance of traces being damaged even more during this process, but you cant avoid it. Just do it.

Once it clean use the 99.9% Iso and scrub the entire board. Do be shy with it, clean everything. Scrub with the tooth brush (after you cleaned it out from the lemon juice) and be sure to get all the lemon out.

I like to use clean, non colored tissue paper. NOT the stuff you blow your nose with, the paper thats feels like the type you find in a public bathroom and goes over the seat. Take this and put it over the area you want clean. Take an acid brush and rub the Iso over that spot so the paper soaks up the crap under it. Use a clean piece for ever area until the board is dirt and contaminant free.

If you have canned air you can blow dry the board from iso in between cleanings too and again once complete.

Use a meter to find any open traces and a GOOD magnifier to find the once you cant see. They are there, trust me. Fix them with good solid core wire or a trace repair kit that uses copper foil and epoxy.

Its a long expensive process, but can be done.


Iso I use:


Lemon Juice:
« Last Edit: July 02, 2016, 05:41:29 PM by Acill »
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Offline Acill

Re: Troubleshooting a pair of A2000's
« Reply #2 on: July 03, 2016, 04:37:23 AM »
It doesnt looka t bad as I expected. But take your time with it. Remove the socket by heating a ping, add a very small bit of new solder until it blends with the old. A SMALL AMOUNT! Take a GOOD SUCKER SUCKER. The brand name ones with a blue body and a yellow plunger end. Heat the new solder you put on the pin and while the iron is still on and solder is molten hit the release and suck it off. Repeat with existing solder, dont add more. Hit it a few time with that sucker. Use some solder braid and lux to pull the rest out and repeat with the rest of the pins. Its a slow process and takes a lot time if done right.

Solder sucker to use:
http://www.digikey.com/short/34q9b2

Solder Braid to use:
For the pin holes once out: http://www.digikey.com/short/34q9bn
For the stuff on top as you remove: http://www.digikey.com/short/34q9b0

Solder I like:
http://www.digikey.com/short/34q95t

ESD Tweezers straight:
http://www.digikey.com/short/34q958

ESD Tweezers Curved (Not cheap, but these are my workhorse tweezers
)
http://www.digikey.com/short/34q95b
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Offline Acill

Re: Troubleshooting a pair of A2000's
« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2016, 02:17:32 PM »
Quote from: spaceman88;810584
I'm surprised they still sell these solder suckers, looks just like mine.  I got mine at work 25 years ago. We used them for quick jobs when it wasn't worth turning on the big "central vac" system. We would be done the small jobs before the big system got heated up. I just used it yesterday changing a couple of capacitors in a Dell monitor/TV.


They work great in a lot of situations. I tend to grab mine more often over using my Pace vacuum desoldering station as well.
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