Is this thread for real? (AInc has <$100)

[JoannaK]

Methuselas: Agree on most of this... Well written and has
essentials in it.

(IMHO IANAL)

Hyperion Owning their written code is likely to be clear, but do
Hyperion have undisputable right to distribute it cause they have
openly admitted USING old copyrighted sourcecode as a reference
without paying license to it's rigthfull owner (whoerver that happen
to be by the time OS4 is released?)?.

Besides.. that would not get them home free. They have announced usign
a lot of old 3rd party products (like ARexx) whose licensing  had been
questioable even today. If this Ainc-collapse happens, (imho) Hyperion
has *NO* way to include any of those olds parts whatsoever without
major hassle (+exxpense) of relicensing them all. Or to
re-implementing them...


And third.. Name.. That they can't get to it.. so may it be HypeOS or
whatever it would not be any more Amiga than those other ones. ... Ok
I know some people will consider 'original source' a major differing
factor...

[Methuselas]

Well, from what Shannon told me, Hyperion has a case in that originally, they were to spearhead the OS release. They have and will have the ability to use the code however they see fit, so long as their contract holds out.

If AI busts, they can use that as a way of getting a new license from either Gateway, who still owns most original Amiga IPs, or from the purchaser of Amiga licenses from the AI bust. (assuming that AI does indeed fold, which I am not hoping for.)

There are alot of additions that are indeed questionable about hte OS (arexx as you so said), but we already know that the new OS is on a HAL, which is what AI was claiming to do in the first place with the DE.

Even Hyperion said it is waiting only on the graphics.library to boot OS4 on the A1.  How far away that is, i am not certain, but once it's on the A1 and booting, technically it's not amiga anymore.  That right there is Thendic's whole claim with the Pegasos, it may act like an amiga, but it's NOT an amiga. Since it's not amiga, they have solidified the wall between them and AI, making their own case more viable. (IE, 'Yeah, we have this OS that works like Amiga, but it's not amiga. AI signed a contract with us for rights to OS4.0, but because we refuse to use a single OS, in this regards OS4.0, the contract was pulled by AI, which (I haven't seen the contracts, I'm not a lawyer, so i don't know if this is the actual case.) is in violation of our original contract.')

AI needs to pull their heads out of their arses and be quick about it. The only thing that keeps them afloat is chapter 11 and the few zealots that with their own words, attempt to patch every hole McEwen has made in his attempts to scuttle Amiga.

We already know that the licenses for Amiga IP has already passed (Kudos to Gateway. If they don't have something decent to offer, kill it and give it to someone else.) and AI scrambled to snatch them back up again. Makes you wonder what's really going on around there.

Personally, I think it's an atrocity that the 'CEOs' of Amiga get 500k salaries, yet employess haven't even been paid yet.

To have AI go bust now would only cripple Amiga even more. Even if they were to sell out their IPs, if the company that bought them didn't push a thousand fold harder to get OS4.0 into this dead market, it's efforts and Hyperion's are for naught.

It's crunch time, Ladies and Gentlemen and you know it. If AI dies now, we know amiga dies with it. While I love Hyperion, they don't have the money to get the Amiga IPs and unless some idiot like me forks over the cash to bail Amiga out, it's Commodore all over again. :-(

'Only fools dance where angels fear to tread.' - Shakespeare

How many of you are still dancing??

[JoannaK]

Note: Following text may sound a bit cruel, but in the end this is how
I honestly feel about all this.. And this all is IMHO. So if you need
to flame, do so, but try to keep it more or less into this subject.
And I know I make typos..

Yes.. I too would miss Amiga if it's gone for good, but not so much I
would jump to help them blindly and without some quarantees. And I
know.. this entire situation where AmigaInc and companions are  is
highly debatable, and we can go on years discussing who is guilty and
who is not.. But nothing happens until this mess starts to unravel
itself and for there need to be some action.

Unless major course change happens, I can't place my trust on them
again. And without trust of things to be changed for good, I'm not
going to be part of any rescue/reanimation project. I know ther's no
way to force things to happen, but in the end... They need our (or at
least someones?) money and support to go on, not the other way
around.

(edit removed practical suggestions for sorting things out.. aren't
likely to happen..)

[iamaboringperson]

I think the Amiga really died when Escom went bust.
Since then, people have only been wishing it were alive, and a company called "Amiga Inc." is what helped them believe in the Amiga's future. That's all.
Amiga Inc. seems to me to be a con all the way.
I kind of wish fleecy wasnt part of it, otherwise we would have OS4 - "MorphOS".

[dammy]

IMO, it will be a good thing when Amiga Inc croaks.  They have brought nothing but dishonor and betrail to this community.   We have two (well, three whenever OS4 sees the light of day) Amiga replacement OSs and a whole smattering of other alternative OSs to chose from.  When C= went under, we basically had a choice of Windbloat, Macrap, and Atari OS.  Today, take your pick, there is enough OSs to go around for everyone and the hardware is mostly damn impressive.

In short, Amiga Inc really has nothing to offer, and much to take from us.

Dammy

[DonnyEMU]

Speaking of ARexx, I wonder what Bill Hawes is doing today or if he's even aware of the scenario. The same goes for Len Poma CrossDOS's author extraordinaire..

-Don

PS Len is local to me here in Michigan.. I hope he sees this and responds..

[JoannaK]

Dammy: well. there were other alternativeies back then too.. After C=
busted I used windowses, OS/2 Warp, Beos, Linuxes and more windowses.

What I have larned is.. I don't like Linuxes (as personal OS) and
havign to use windowse for rest of life ain't too positive idea
either..