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Offline wawrzon

Re: A little teaser
« Reply #14 on: July 18, 2014, 09:19:53 AM »
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Looking interesting.
Just curious though, why ddr3? Given the low speed of both the cpu core and ram (relative to modern computing) wouldnt ddr2, or ideally ddr1 be a better match? Given the high latency of ddr3 Id expect the other RAM types to perform better. Is it simply a matter of availability/price?

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Re: A little teaser
« Reply #15 on: July 18, 2014, 09:21:58 AM »
Looks good!
how far are you with the primary and secondary specs? Has it been implemented already and now testing/tweaking or is it still in development?
You also state that it'll be the fastest 68K CPU ever. Although I'm not really interested in having the fastest processor, I am interested in being compatible. Is the CPU comparable to one of the 68K series? I mean; for certain hard- or software you'd need at least a 030. Would this new CPU be compatible?
 

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Re: A little teaser
« Reply #16 on: July 18, 2014, 09:25:36 AM »
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Looking interesting.
Just curious though, why ddr3? Given the low speed of both the cpu core and ram (relative to modern computing) wouldnt ddr2, or ideally ddr1 be a better match?
DDR3 is perfect.
We do not run at low speed. We run the memory at real 800MHz datarate.
And 800 MHz Datarate is not that low speed - especially in the AMIGA area.
What memory speed have AmigaONE PPC systems?


Quote from: fishy_fiz;769277
Given the high latency of ddr3 Id expect the other RAM types to perform better. Is it simply a matter of availability/price?
You need to mind that the latency is relative to the clockrate.
A latency of 4 to a clockrate of 400/800 is the same as a latency of 8 to a clockrate of 800/1600.
This means in other words. DDR3 does not have higher latency than DDR2.

Also this memory is twice is fast as the fastest DDR1 memory available.
Twice as fast makes a difference, don't you agree. :-D
« Last Edit: July 18, 2014, 09:35:41 AM by biggun »
 

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Re: A little teaser
« Reply #17 on: July 18, 2014, 09:58:44 AM »
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Re: A little teaser
« Reply #18 on: July 18, 2014, 12:51:13 PM »
Fingers crossed it gets released soon and without any hitches.
Ill take one.
 

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Re: A little teaser
« Reply #19 on: July 18, 2014, 02:42:26 PM »
It wasnt a criticism, I was just wondering. DDR3@800mhz is slower than ddr2@800mhz because of amongst other things more aggressive timing available. Because of ddr1 having yet again tighter timings, given the right conditions fast ddr1 is a better match than simply chasing clock rate, especially when memory bus isnt saturated. I dont know the design of the cyclone core, but Id have imagined a 68k cpu might be one of those situations.
Near as I can tell this is where I write something under the guise of being innocuous, but really its a pot shot at another persons/peoples choice of Amiga based systems. Unfortunately only I cant see how transparent and petty it makes me look.
 

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Re: A little teaser
« Reply #20 on: July 18, 2014, 03:02:53 PM »
Interesting. This will give me an excuse to bring the A500 out of storage.

Will the HDMI video out pass audio as well?
 

Offline Oldsmobile_Mike

Re: A little teaser
« Reply #21 on: July 18, 2014, 03:21:26 PM »
Sounds great!  Will it be just "a really fast 68000" or will it emulate 020/030 instruction sets as well (so we could run software that requires higher than a 68000 chip)?  Thanks for all your hard work!
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Re: A little teaser
« Reply #22 on: July 18, 2014, 03:21:27 PM »
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DDR3@800mhz is slower than ddr2@800mhz because of amongst other things more aggressive timing available.


If you drive them with the same settings they both have exact the same latencies.
In theory you can find DDR2 modules which are specced 4-4-4
but you can also use DDR3 modules with higher speed grades and underclock them with also 4-4-4 settings. So the whole is the same at the end, right?

Much more important is IMHO power consumption as the power supply of the A500 is relative weak.

My personal opinion is this:

DDR1 is not a good option, for these reasons:
- much less memory throughput
- only smaller chips available, big chips really pricy
- higher voltage current needed. = power supply limitation problems on A500

DDR2 is OK.
o the fastest available DD2 chips are about as fast as average DDR3 chips.
- but chips are smaller or big chips are more expensive than DDR3
- DD2 needs about 25% more power than DDR3

DDR3 is ideal
+  performance is good
+  big chips are available. This means 128 MB memory easy to do with 1 single chip
+ Low power consumption.

LPDDR2 would also be a nice option IMHO.

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Re: A little teaser
« Reply #23 on: July 18, 2014, 04:13:52 PM »
I presume the FPGA used (but not shown in the picture - is it on the other side? Or on another board that connects to the two IDE-like headers? Is there a photo of this other board?) has an on-board DDR3 controller, so it makes sense to use that.

What's the low-end CPLD in the middle of the 68k area for?

I presume the chip on the right is a HDMI driver, displaying a video signal from the lower IDE-like header.

And the Ethernet chip is an SPI/I2S ethernet chip.

Wouldn't it make sense to allow a user to route the HDMI and Ethernet signals to a separate socket they can mount within their case? Or is it oriented so that both are easily accessible?
 

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Re: A little teaser
« Reply #24 on: July 18, 2014, 05:01:58 PM »
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I presume the FPGA used (but not shown in the picture - is it on the other side? Or on another board that connects to the two IDE-like headers? Is there a photo of this other board?) has an on-board DDR3 controller, so it makes sense to use that.

Here is a picture of an AMIGA 600 mainboard.
The small card at the bottom is the FPGA CPU module.
http://www.apollo-core.com/bringup/card2.jpg

Quote from: Hattig;769311
What's the low-end CPLD in the middle of the 68k area for?
The CPLD bridges to the AMIGA mainboard chip bus.


Quote from: Hattig;769311
Wouldn't it make sense to allow a user to route the HDMI and Ethernet signals to a separate socket they can mount within their case? Or is it oriented so that both are easily accessible?

The HDMI is at the edge of the side connector on the A500 and A1000.
If you open the slot you can access it.
There is _NO_ need to drill any holes in your AMIGA. :-D
« Last Edit: July 19, 2014, 11:15:05 AM by biggun »
 

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Re: A little teaser
« Reply #25 on: July 18, 2014, 05:10:11 PM »
Way to go Gunnar.
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Re: A little teaser
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Re: A little teaser
« Reply #27 on: July 18, 2014, 09:20:03 PM »
Clean and beautiful :)

It's nice to see the future of Amiga taking shape ;)
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Offline vince_6

Re: A little teaser
« Reply #28 on: July 19, 2014, 09:57:32 AM »
After installing this card you should buy this kit from me for your Amiga.
It will propaply escape from your desk from the sonic boom speed :-D

GOD! I can't wait to buy this card for my miggy!!!

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Offline QuikSanz

Re: A little teaser
« Reply #29 from previous page: July 19, 2014, 05:18:31 PM »
Looks like mass storage has no support, SATA for a CD/DVD and HD is crucial for what I need.

Chris