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Re: Tips on moving to Linux?
« on: March 26, 2014, 09:42:59 PM »
Quote from: ferrellsl;761305
Why switch?  Why not make your system dual-boot Windows and Linux and have the best of both worlds?  It's much easier to do than you might think.

The easiest way to accomplish this is to add a second drive exclusively for Linux and then use the BIOS settings to select which drive/OS you want to boot with.


That's what he's looking to do.

Suggest you start with Ubuntu in dual boot. As you're coming from the world of Windows can I suggest you familiarise yourself with Unix/Linux  concepts first. There are many informational sites out there :http://linux-tutorial.info/
Be prepared to spend a lot if time working "with" your OS to get things done.  As you're on XP you won't notice the boot times. Your certainly not going to get near the 10 second boot times of Win 8.
If you enjoyed "working" with the nuances of an OS Linux can be fun and rewarding.
You will uncover issues with Linux Desktop and music production. All who try do. Its not a flavor thing it's a Unix thing but there are many ways to overcome these issues within a balance. It's rare that you can't find a config that's usable, but it will take time. Get prepared to spend the time.
Coming the other way, from Unix to Windows (too long ago) I would suggest that Windows is gonna do best what you want to do in the Music world, but I'm guessing there and not suggesting you shouldn't go on the adventure.

Nike!
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Re: Tips on moving to Linux?
« Reply #1 on: March 27, 2014, 06:17:50 AM »
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As soon as I read commodorejohn's first post, I dismissed him, to put it mildly since I'm a moderator, as a ill-informed and .

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But then as a forum moderator you realised everyone's opinion was just as important and that the choice to dismiss is a personal one, not public.  Least your own view be dismissed in the same vain.
That would be terrible yes?

My view is people use and validate there OS usage based on their aims; Some people want to just run their stuff. Some people want to tinker / customize.  Then there's a spectrum around and between those poles.

I understand exactly where commodore john is coming from.

If you choose Linux and want to do music you're gonna be tinkering quite a bit.
That of course can be fun and rewarding.
 

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Re: Tips on moving to Linux?
« Reply #2 on: March 28, 2014, 06:44:21 AM »
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You sound like Hitler.  One choice only.


Seriously?
 

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Re: Tips on moving to Linux?
« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2014, 10:33:42 PM »
Quote from: Kuya Marc;761536
Hello World!

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My statement is, "It does not matter what operating system you use, just as long as you make something from it. Because, when your human body becomes weak and/or disabled, you have accomplishments to talk about."


So sorry to hear about your condition. I agree with you 100%. For me productivity is the most important thing. Delivering / creating / accomplishing something is why we use a tool. Understanding why the Amiga was such a big hit for me is because it allowed me to do stuff I couldn't on any other machine as well at the time.

Learning about an OS is fun, and having it to "live with" or consume content is fun too, but you can do that on a tablet more portably and elegantly.

Your response is moving and poignant.

All the best.
 

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Re: Tips on moving to Linux?
« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2014, 11:07:57 AM »
Depends on whether you want to use any of the new MB features  or not. Most MBs will run in a backwards compatible state but I think you're missing the point of technology upgrades: New features, not backwards compatibility.  Yes your IDE drive and raid chipset will work but what are you missing out on?  In the world of Linux it's not such a big issue. But try running Windows 8.1... Sorry best I leave it there.
 

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Re: Tips on moving to Linux?
« Reply #5 on: April 01, 2014, 10:30:56 PM »
I think this thread has come to a conclusion for Ral-clan?
An OS means different things to different people and their use of it determines its value for them. I'd suggest most Amiga users would understand that keenly.
 

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Re: Tips on moving to Linux?
« Reply #6 on: April 02, 2014, 08:33:47 AM »
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For me there are two good reasons to upgrade from XP:

1) Future programs that simply won't run on XP.
2) 64 bit.

As for the UI, I'll adapt :)


3) New hardware support. These days most hardware (PC or MB) won't allow the install of XP (unless its SP3 integrated) and if it does; no drivers!

But this is all off topic.
Moving to Linux. Remember?
 

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Re: Tips on moving to Linux?
« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2014, 01:41:03 PM »
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Im not sure where you get that statistic from but market share does not a good operating system make!

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Most users are not aware that they have Linux as a choice. That is because Microsoft actively penalize OEM manufacturers for offering it as an option
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I agree on the first point. Please don't get me started on Market share.  It's based on sales not downloads of free Linux distributions. So how could it be used to determine Linux popularity?  
Once more: Market share can never be used to determine the popularity of machines in use. So don't.

On the second point, bullsh1t.  Microsoft give direct incentives for their OS on OEM kit for sure, but they have no reps with black top hats, capes, and stiffly waxed moustaches going around the world sabotaging other products.  ALL the major MB manufactures support Linux and provide drivers for most or at a minimum subset of their MBs.
 

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Re: Tips on moving to Linux?
« Reply #8 on: April 28, 2014, 10:44:23 AM »
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"The AARD code was a segment of code in a beta release of Microsoft Windows 3.1 that would determine whether Windows was running on MS-DOS or PC DOS, rather than a competing workalike such as DR-DOS, and would result in a cryptic error message in the latter case." (source)

"Electronic greeting card firm Blue Mountain Arts has won another round in its battle with Microsoft Corp. Late Thursday, a Santa Clara County (Calif.) Superior Court issued a preliminary injunction stopping Microsoft from setting up filters in its Outlook Express mail program that treated greeting cards from Blue Mountain as junk mail. " (source)

"In 2002, Be Inc. sued Microsoft claiming that Hitachi had been dissuaded from selling PCs loaded with BeOS, and that Compaq had been pressured not to market an Internet appliance in partnership with Be. [...] The case was eventually settled out of court for $23.25 million with no admission of liability on Microsoft's part." (source)

Microsoft has a long history of "sabotaging other products". I'm not saying they're stopping OEMs from bundling Linux, but I wouldn't make tinfoil hat jokes about somebody who's suggesting they do.


Long History.  If so I would have though you'd have something more substantial to put forward than a few tenuous items from over 10 years ago.

1. A beta release of Win 3.1 that an over exuberant developer provided certain code for that was NEVER activated in the actual release.
2. A Beta release of Outlook express Spam Filtering that was, again, never released.
3. Microsoft stopping Hitachi from providing a PC with the option to dual boot an alternate OS on a Windows OEM licensed PC, which is against the OEM licence provisions. They did not stop Hitachi from providing the same PCs stand-alone with the (already unfortunately dead) BeOS OS.

IMO, I think we sometimes wish things were different in the IT world than they are today and then look for the tall poppy to blame.  Microsoft are surely not the corner cake shop, they are big business and protect their investment with "competitive" (look up the word) "big business" corporate behaviour.

I see your items and raise you a "Microsoft kept Apple from folding in the late 90's".
 

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Re: Tips on moving to Linux?
« Reply #9 on: April 29, 2014, 08:39:50 AM »
Quote from: cgutjahr;763455
You're funny - what Desktop Operating System that OEMs might have chosen could Microsoft have sabotaged in the last 10 years?

For more recent examples of that kind of behaviour search the net for "UEFI Secure Boot", which in turn is the second coming of "Trusted Computing" - Google the latter in combination with "Palladium" and "criticism" to learn what the rest of us have to worry about regarding Microsoft even if we never use any MS products.


Stop the lies! The day that Microsoft 'saved' Apple

I'm not into MS bashing, their "competitive big business corporate behaviour" (I love euphemisms) isn't worse than that of any other IT giant. I wouldn't want to know what Jobs would have done with that kind of market power.

But Microsoft pretty much invented the "reps with black top hats, capes, and stiffly waxed moustaches going around the world sabotaging other products" type, so let's not pretend otherwise.


Yep I agree stop the lies. And you just quoted Zdnet to me to prove a point.  I preferred when you used Wikipedia.

BTW I only bash bashing generally. I think (hope) you'll find I haven't bashed either Linux or Windows.
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Re: Tips on moving to Linux?
« Reply #10 on: April 30, 2014, 07:55:49 AM »
Quote from: desiv;763541
And he makes himself look like a fanatical unrealistic fanboi zealot in
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2..

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Looking for conversations with rational people who can see the positives and negativies in both OSes..
Obviously not this conversation..

Have a good one..

desiv


Yeah, But did he mean it as a compliment or an insult? Perhaps he should have said Socialist ideology. Yeah?  But if that were the case which OS would be Fascist and which a dictatorship? A topic for another thread.

@Sean. (without prejudice) Is it the "Period." That converts a belief into a statement of fact?  I might try that in the future.
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Re: Tips on moving to Linux?
« Reply #11 on: April 30, 2014, 11:32:45 PM »
Tips on moving to Linux: It can be a fun and rewarding technical experience. Emotionally somewhat like golf.
  Tips on life: Be good to the children.