Author Topic: Web Browser (Read 4978 times)

yssing · « **Reply #14 on:** March 16, 2014, 07:34:51 PM »

I have used netsurf a lot on 68k

giZmo350 · « **Reply #15 on:** March 16, 2014, 08:11:41 PM »

Quote from: danwood;760850

For 68K Amigas, IBrowse is still the best of the bunch although very outdated and limited to 30 minutes use as they are no longer accepting registrations for it.

Yes, iBrowse is still the best... I use it on two different machines everyday! Takes some tweaking of cache settings for best results. Install AmiSSL too.

... limited to 30 minutes

Not true... Google is your friend!

curtis · « **Reply #16 on:** March 16, 2014, 08:12:58 PM »

Quote from: Lurch;760838

Ibrowse website is still alive and kicking, downloads still working fine too :-)

http://www.ibrowse-dev.net/

Probably the best browser for your setup, possible Aweb. OWB works, okay on a 060, netsurf gives you the best looking webpages but is slow even on a 060.

Yes, the Ibrowse website is up, but downloads for FULL version and purchase of 2.4 are not.

Curtis

Matt_H · « **Reply #17 on:** March 16, 2014, 08:59:57 PM »

The "demo" and "full" versions of IBrowse are the same download. A keyfile unlocks full functionality.

It's a real shame they still haven't resolved the purchase problem. Sometimes there's news on the IBrowse mailing list...

slaapliedje · « **Reply #18 on:** March 17, 2014, 02:34:30 AM »

AWeb, if I recall, comes with OS3.9, but it's an older version, and I think one of the official boing bags had an update for it (official boing bags meaning 1&2).

There is a rather broken version of OWB for m68k I've tried at one point, and it was horribly unstable. Netsurf really is the best 'modern' browser for the Amiga 68k. I've noticed that it seems a lot slower than it is, because it waits to show anything before it's rendered. The trick most browsers do to make them seem faster is to start showing things as they're loaded, but netsurf doesn't do that, it waits the 5-15 seconds (for me) to then show the page is loaded, but it loads the whole thing.

It actually is fairly fast, though I'm running it on a 060/50, with tons of ram (well, in Amiga terms, I have 380mb~ of fast ram.)

For most day to day use though, I use IBrowse, 'cause it actually works while doing other things.

slaapliedje

giZmo350 · « **Reply #19 on:** March 17, 2014, 03:06:09 AM »

What I love about iBrowse it that it doesn't seem to use (almost) any chip ram to display pages. The more fast ram the better! You can load 20 web pages into tabs and AmigaOS could care less! Each page, in it's own tab, seems to be nothing more than a page cached in fast ram. None of this slows down the AmigaOS. And it seems to me that not any one "heavy" web page slows down any other web page when switching between tabs. Load up 20 tabs of pages on Internet Exploder and you're at a crawl - even on Win7! The only thing I've noticed is that if you have a bunch of tabbed pages open and you "Iconify" or minimize iBrowse, it will take a long time to re-render it all when you un-iconify - and sometimes make the system unresponsive. Other than that, you can't kill the system with webpages! It's actually quite interesting to watch the way iBrowse works - it just doesn't use up any ram hardly at all - and what fast ram it uses is only about 200/300 K per site - amazing.

slaapliedje · « **Reply #20 on:** March 17, 2014, 03:25:41 AM »

I could be wrong about this, but doesn't IBrowse also basically do what Chrome was so praised for, in that each tab basically runs under it's own process? It certainly feels that way, especially, as you say, that one heavy website doesn't cause the rest of it to slow down.

I wouldn't know about IE, I only ever use it to download Firefox

slaapliedje

giZmo350 · « **Reply #21 on:** March 17, 2014, 04:30:03 AM »

Not sure if each tab is a separate process but it sure seems that way as one tabbed page won't kill another.

And who thought up that "multi-connection" process? Brilliant! With today's internet speeds and fast bus hardware you can crank up the connections as high as you want! Some websites respond great to multiple packet requests and will simply flood each connection with data! It's cool to watch! If modern browsers used that scheme I think the ISP police might knock at your door... hahahaha.

I LOVE Firefox on my Mac Mini I know that!

I just use IE on Win7 cause, well, it's there... and it's just a tool. No entertainment happens at work ya know!

Lurch · « **Reply #22 on:** March 17, 2014, 06:12:06 AM »

Quote from: curtis;760873

Yes, the Ibrowse website is up, but downloads for FULL version and purchase of 2.4 are not.

Curtis

It is the full version that you can download, just limited to 30 minutes. When you buy the key you can then use it for aslong as you like.

Other than the time limit there is no other limitation.

As for purchasing the key, it's very easy to find a key in a matter of a minute or two.

Lurch · « **Reply #23 on:** March 17, 2014, 06:15:51 AM »

Quote from: slaapliedje;760903

I could be wrong about this, but doesn't IBrowse also basically do what Chrome was so praised for, in that each tab basically runs under it's own process?

Sure does, it doesn't even call it a tab. When you right click and select the open new browser it opens up a "tab".

It has some advanced features like java and even flash. With AmiSSL even secure browsing.

NetSurfAGA/RTG is better at rendering modern sites but still prefer Ibrowse speed wise anyway.

slaapliedje · « **Reply #24 on:** March 17, 2014, 03:10:18 PM »

So here's the question... does anyone know if IBrowse has a separate library for it's rendering engine? And if so, could we try to reverse engineer it and then update it to support newer HTML standards? Or would it be easier to just start writing a new browser from scratch?

I know AWEB is open sourced, but from reading up on that, the code is such a frightful mess, that most of the people who have looked at it gave up on trying to improve it.

Realistically, I think having an MUI based one would be the best approach, and that's exactly what IBrowse is. But since development has ceased on it so long ago, and you can no longer legitimately buy the key, it'd be nice if they just opened the source on that (though I think it's been tried before).

slaapliedje

skolman · « **Reply #25 on:** March 17, 2014, 03:46:38 PM »

IBrowse 2.5 there is already ready, but as you can see since then nothing has changed http://www.amiga-news.de/en/news/AN-2009-11-00041-EN.html "sick people"

Methuselas · « **Reply #26 on:** March 17, 2014, 07:10:52 PM »

Always about money. So tired of Amiga "developers" beating a dead horse and picking the bones of a rotted carcass. Pathetic...

apj · « **Reply #27 on:** March 24, 2014, 05:57:11 PM »

This might be the way to browse internet on 68k Amiga:

http://pici.picidae.net/

It makes image map from any web page using webkit engine with clickable (!) urls.

http://i.imgur.com/CgIqlm4.png

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Artur
NetSurf 68k port author

commodorejohn · « **Reply #28 on:** March 24, 2014, 06:30:21 PM »

The idea of trying to use an entirely image-map-based website on an Amiga should inspire even more of a hysteric screaming fit than the idea of trying to use one on a modern computer. Evil! Eeeevil!!!

slaapliedje · « **Reply #29 from previous page:** March 24, 2014, 06:48:46 PM »

Ha ha, I saw the article about that (or maybe just something similar) on OSNews. Only thought I had about it was "great, isn't this like the Dash on Ubuntu where you would search for local things and it would send your searches to Ubuntu's servers to then send onto amazon?

Guess it'd work okay for just stupid sites you're browsing, but I wouldn't use any that you log into.

slaapliedje