Just what the HELL is Bill doing ?

[takemehomegrandma]

And I whish that some people would not be so eager to buy every single thing without critical reflection, just because it's sold by certain people. More critical thinking is needed. More debate. More discussion. Not less. Not one voice only, all others censored. But of course everybody is free to buy whatever he or she wants. And perhaps some people really *wants* that "one truth only, everything else is censored" thing, and is happy about that? Then fine. But I still get a repulsive feeling about that, and I would like to make a stance against it.

BTW, it's not products I am speaking about.

[Billsey]

My two cents are simply,

(1) Bill McEwen is a marketing man and that is what he was doing. A bit insensitive perhaps, but then, his kid is even coming up with commercials for the things, so...

(2) I like that Laridian company. :-)

I dont blame McEwen for doing what he has to do to make money. He needs it just like the rest of us. I just think it's a bit hipocritical to jump on BBRV as satan and then to defend this tooth and nail.

I dont see anything wrong with what A.inc is doing in this case. Microsoft is a good partner to have and it will hopefully get them sales wich = money, wich = spill over money to be spent on AmigaOS/etc development.

I dont see how you can make fun of the guy for saying that comment about playing a PDA game... thats just lame to attack him over that.

Dont get me wrong in my previous post... I'm not jumping on McEwen for saying the things he said or jumping on A.inc for what their doing... they need to survive and in an economy like this to be able to get microsoft as a partner/parent company it's definitly a VERY good thing.

[Red_Melons]

"McEwen (Amiga) :

Amiga has a rich history in video and film work, and some of the other titles we have coming out in the next 90 days will allow user to manipulate video on their Windows Powered devices"

Well 2 weeks in AInc language means 2 years, so I don't think users of `Windows powered devices' should get too excited just yet

[Kay]

> I just think it's a bit hipocritical to jump on BBRV as satan and then to defend this tooth and
> nail.

If this was aimed at me:
If I'm hypocritical, it's completely unintentional. I try to treat people as fairly as possible. The reason I am a lot harsher against Buck than I am against McEwen, is simply that I consider the former's behaviour to be much, much worse than that of the latter. Yet McEwen seems to get away with far less. That was basically the point I was trying to make.

If this was not aimed at me:
Never mind. :-)

Anyway, I hope we can draw the line here, I think I've made my point sufficiently clear for those who have an interest in understanding it. I might drop by to argue with you some time later. :-)

Kay

The reason I am a lot harsher against Buck than I am against McEwen, is simply that I consider the former's behaviour to be much, much worse than that of the latter.

I totally understand that... but what I dont understand is attacking buck for having advertisements on this site... and these paranoid rumors going around that Genesi owns this site now because it puts adds up.

what if A.inc and M$ decided to pay wayne for an add...would you cry foul if you saw a WinCE add?

[Kronos]

@Kay
While I really think BB should have worded those annoncements
different (or not at all), we should also admit that sofar they
have NOT been prooven wrong. Fact is TerraSoft jumped the MAI-boat
for yet unknown reasons, and Eyetech haven't actually delievered
the XE (to consumers that is). Still no excuse for his words, but
simialr things have been done by Eyetech/Hyperion with
suggesting that the Pegasos didn't have an Articia-fix, that
there are no bugs in the Articia, it is all due to the FirmWare,
or bPlan being unable to get information about VIA-SBs from MAI
(yes I know that makes no sense, ask Alan ...), and last but not
least the bullshit about the stolen sources.

More than enough dirt been thrown at eachother from all the
"big guys".

But back to Bill&Bill:

BB never took money for products he couldn't deliever and surely
never claimed something that hadn't even really started to be
"on schedule and rocking", he never made empty legal threads and
he most certainly never tried to blame 9.11 for his own failures
(now how pathetic was that ?).

What he has done is putting an actual "next-gen" Amiga(like) OS
unto the market, and that is a premier (or maybe he was 2nd if
you count Bernie's work).

McB on the other side has sofar failed on allmost every
promise he ever made, "his" products heavily rely on 3rd-party
efforts (M$,TAO,ZENEO), and he has taken money twice.

So BB is quite low form time to time, but he has still quite a way
to travel before he reaches McB's level.

And no, that way ain't going upwards.

[JetRacer]

What's out there in the woods?

Hi, Kronos.

:-)

[xaccrocheur]

I dont see how you can make fun of the guy for saying that comment about playing a PDA game...

Hey this bit about the guy playing at a show with his son was a *joke* ! Come on !

What shocked me was not the fact that bill McEwen uses another platform, heck, I suppose that his secretary does not use final Writer neither ;-)

But I think I remember him (its complicated, I cannot quote, he said *a lot* of things) saying that Amiga DE would not be "just a game pack for Windows CE", (God forbid) but the ground for a new mobile Amiga-based platform.

I sure was not reading properly at that time.

It IS just windows software.

As for "strategic partnerships", I don't know nothing about this, too complicated for me, I have no advice to give him.
just sounds dangerous.

pX

[xaccrocheur]

(...) While I really think BB should have worded those annoncements
different (or not at all), (...)

I'm sorry, I missed this. To what words are you reffering here ? Can you post a link ?

"McEwen (Amiga) :

Amiga has a rich history in video and film work, and some of the other titles we have coming out in the next 90 days will allow user to manipulate video on their Windows Powered devices"

Well 2 weeks in AInc language means 2 years, so I don't think users of `Windows powered devices' should get too excited just yet

Good point, red melon

 :-P  :-D  :-P

[Paul_Gadd]

Amiga inc need to stop talking and start producing/releasing products instead of making announcements.

No matter how many people are out in force to defend their honour there is still going to be the normal people (myself included) which are not going to fall for the same old crap coming from those guys.

[jeffimix]

I feel that while AOS4 is the actual next Amiga OS... MorphOS is a OS3.9> compatible OS that is, however, a different OS on a different platform. And about MorphOS on an A1, I've seen cracked BIOs updates before so I qould Not be surprised if it were made to run. And frankly, I wouldn;t be surprised at AOS on a Pegasos. Im think I'll wait until June until I say AOS4 is vaporware, it's certainly like Daikatana though.

[SlimJim]

Paul_Gadd wrote:
Amiga inc need to stop talking and start producing/releasing products instead of making announcements.

   
I haven't heard much from them lately in the way of
product announcements (apart from the CeBit thing and I
don't rate that in the same category as the
announcements of old.). They even stopped doing the
executive updates.
 Isn't the silence what so many people are jabbing
about?
 
@all
You cry "Wolf!" if they keep quiet, "Wolf!" if they talk.
Make up you mind, people.
.
SlimJim

[Billsey]

How many "partners" does MS have for their PocketPC stuff? Depending on the answer—and that answer's foibles—the fact that they were chosen for that interview might just be eye-opening.

[artman]

@Mips

Damn right Mips, our Troops need and "Deserve" our full support.  You're going to take some heat from our brethren in the EU, but what  the heck, we're here for the long run.   :-x  :angry:  :madashell:  :griping:  :destroy:

[dammy]

 by Paul_Gadd on 2003/3/17 17:19:17

Amiga inc need to stop talking and start producing/releasing products instead of making announcements.

No matter how many people are out in force to defend their honour there is still going to be the normal people (myself included) which are not going to fall for the same old crap coming from those guys.

What I don't understand, why anyone would think Amiga Inc is relevent at all to the Amiga Community?  Hyperion, yeah, they are very relevent because of OS4.  If DE never came out for OS4, who would miss it?  If the majority of folks do not care if OS4 has or  doesn't have DE, why even talk about Amiga Inc at all?

Dammy