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Coffee House => Coffee House Boards => CH / Entertainment => Topic started by: Hell Labs on February 21, 2010, 10:37:58 PM
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I'm so glad I'm unable to hear the difference between a bog standard cd changer and some rediculous super duper system. Probably because there isn't one, and you all need a reality check. A twenty quid 3-cd changer/twin tape deck/turntable/radio from a second hand shop is fine.
I'll give you an example. Once I was walking through the local shopping centre (I think the yanks call them "malls"), and there was a woman at a stand showing of some super duper £200 headphones, as compared to some 99p ones. This exchange happened:
"listen to this set of cheap headphones"
I put them on, it was playing some crappy nickleback song or something.
"now listen to this set of ultramegasupersecialawesomethings"
I put these on, same song.
"Now, isn't there a HUGE DIFFERENCE?"
I answer, perfectly honestly:
"no."
And left.
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Well, it's true audiophiles tend to overstate the differences between audio equipment :)
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Hell_labs - you're full of shit audio-wise. Your ears just need to be educated or trained. You (and anyone else for that matter) have always got an open invite if you'd like a demonstration someday at my place. To an extent, you simply don't spend big bucks on a nice system NOT to hear a difference. It's like anything else in life that way. Everyone I've ever auditioned my gear to has literally (okay, figuratively) shat themselves, especially when I spin an LP and then switch between the two sources. Audio and listening to hi-fi is an art form that people used to take more seriously and was a lot more popular before the advent of all this silly disposable shit people choose to occupy their time with.
Seriously - walk into a nice audio salon someday with your favorite CD or LP, spend some time, open your mind and your ears. You'll be surprised what you're likely to hear.
I have had a long standing joke regarding my audio obsession though... I used to say the blessed be that are half deaf as they don't need to spend as much as me! lol I realize today that's BS. I'm proud and elated to know the difference between good and bad sound. It's a hobby (that isn't or doesn't have to be as expensive as you think) like most others in that you need to be dedicated to it. And that's probably the biggest reason why so many in the mainstream can't commit. They're not really into 'anything' refined, cultured or nice. They don't want to admit something is nicer, especially if they cannot or do not want to afford it.
If after you cannot truly detect and appreciate a good sounding hi-fi system, I'd recommend you go see an audiologist and then a psychologist because something is truly wrong with a) your hearing and perhaps b) your mental state of mind regarding the topic. I know most people have a "it's good enough" type mentality, but there's nothing wrong with saying: hi-end audio sure sounds great, but as someone that's not *that* into music, I am unwilling to devote that much money, space and time to it. That's a little more civilized than ignorantly writing it off...
My apologies to the OP for getting off topic. This will be all I have to say about the state of affairs of today's audio and the dispassionate mentality of the mainstream in this thread. If anyone cares to start a new one in the Coffee House or something...
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TBH I really, really can't tell the difference between by £20 stereo system and people in the same room as me, actually playing my favorate iron maiden song. I'm not trying to be a dick, I just can't. And there's nothing wrong with my ears, but there is with my eyes - both have been extensively checked.
I'm also tired seeing of people do dumb stuff like spend £££ on monster cables and the like, even after I, and a few others explain to them they are a scam, and this is the kicker : it was a digital stereo in the first place, so by definition you could have used paperclips and it wouldn't make a difference. And then there's those that swair up and down that (i'm not making this up): The first version of the sony playstation (SCPH-1001) is the best sounding cd player ever made, so long as you use it upside down, and let it warm up, valve radio style, for half an hour first. They actually believe this.
There's one thing I will say though, headphones are always better than speakers. Dunno why, but it's like you can hear "more" of the song, or something.:confused:
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The problem with audiophiles is they have a propensity to believe the absurd. For example:
http://www.aaudioimports.com/ShowProduct.asp?hProduct=37 (http://www.aaudioimports.com/ShowProduct.asp?hProduct=37)
Gold plated fuses for your amplifier power supply... :roflmao:
Clean power is, of course, important, but this is taking the proverbial. Any decent power supply should have proper regulation and ripple elimination on the DC output side anyway, so in high end equipment, these cannot possibly make any difference. Audiophiles will swear otherwise, of course, but a properly controlled double-blind test would almost certainly prove them wrong.
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as promised, I didn't want to derail the thread any further, which is about the A1200 playing mp3's. So... in a nutshell to combat some of the statements:
I own Hi-Fi tuning fuses for all my gear and yes, they make a difference. I might not have been able to hear the difference in the power section of the DVD/SACD player I inserted it in, but there was a big difference in the stability of imaging when I rebuilt said power supply with BlackGate caps and FRED diodes. Hi-Fi Tuning fuses DO make a HUGE difference when they're placed within the audio chain - and that's their main purpose. Power Amp protection for your speakers for example - is not the same as the fuse in the power supply section. Good power amps have 3 or more fuses in them. Speakers with fuses also benefit from the silver filament fuses and big time!!
Monster Cable is not total crap, but they do represent an embarrassment to the term 'Hi-End'. These guys IMO ARE out to gyp nubiles, fresh getting into audio, off of their hard earned cash. Monster Cable *is* ridiculously overpriced for what they are, but are much better than the stock cables you get with some audio/video gear. Look elsewhere for better bang for your buck. Look at the geometry and the types of materials real high end cables talk about. Generally speaking, if it's expensive and you've never heard of it before - that's the stuff you should be looking into buying. Asking your audio dealer is always the best advice though. No, today's big box mass consumer audio/video/appliance "salespeople" are not qualified to even ask what the weather will be in a few hours ;)
Hell Labs - in your world, there is no such thing as "digital stereo". All digital sources on the levels you're used to listening to ALL get translated to analogue - which is why cables matter. 75ohm digital cables are not all equal either.
The Sony PSX people are off their frickin' rocker - that's all that's needed to say about that ;) Sorry they have tainted your view of the hi-end. What turds.
Headphones are NOT better than speakers. First off, no imaging to speak of. You do not listen to a live orchestra play with headphones, do you? Hi-end audio is often about reconstructing a live event in front of you. Room reflections play a big part in the design of the human ear. It's not [the human ear] all coiled up and nasty looking like it is without reason ;) Headphones CAN sound great - sure, but they are the antithesis of a live experience. I own a pretty expensive pair of Sennheiser headphones that I never 'listen' to. Only give 'em a quick listen to monitor a recording and that's pretty much it.
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I wonder if we can combine the audiophile and televangelist markets somehow. Perhaps some $10,000 "miracle monitors" quadraphonic speakers that will "inrease your chances of having god contact you, personally" the more you listen to the televangelist guy hawk his scams. Hell, both audiophiles and fundies will beleave any old crap, so it can't hurt to try.
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Hey guys... out of respect to the OP, I started this...
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?p=544311#post544311
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I must also be a nut, 'cuz I replaced the audio caps in my A2000 with Elna SILMIC-II series and I think Turrican 3 sounds awesome. :-P
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as promised, I didn't want to derail the thread any further, which is about the A1200 playing mp3's. So... in a nutshell to combat some of the statements:
I've moved the rest of the audiophile posts to this thread too. As the chronological order is maintained, that means it looks like Hell Labs started this thread but you might not worry about that ;)
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Karlos - you can do Magic!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxUGR8vc8NE
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Oh god, when I refreshed the page and saw all these posts from the other thread I thought I was having another stroke. Not fun at all.:hammer:
And I think headphones sound better than a live performace, atleast all the gigs ive ever been to. For some reason when you go to a rock gig they almost always have everything up so it's nothing but blurry bass, it sounds shite. In fact the only gig i've ever been to that sounded as good live as on the CD was thunder, and either the singer was REALLY good (he's knocking on a bit) or they were miming. whitesnake and def leppard were playing the same night and they sounded a little bit worse than thunder too.
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Not talking about hard rock or heavy metal concerts Hell Labs. Real concerts... orchestras comprised of human beings playing real acoustic instruments. But... the reason rock gigs suck today (and I'm a drummer btw) is because of shite gear played for the masses handled by a shite "engineer" or sound guy. MOST people are tone deaf and that's who the recording industry is now kowtowing to. It sucks for those of us that can appreciate uncompressed music - but really well recorded popular music pretty much does not exist today. You can thank the iPod, mp3's and clueless/classless (louder is not better) people for that. The use of compression in ALL pre-recorded music today is a horrible dirty little secret. I personally am outraged so many use the technique. Can hardly enjoy listening to any modern music today because of it. If you're lucky, a jazz or classical album will be released with little to no compression - but I guarantee you'd be hard pressed to find 'em. The Beatles latest releases all feature minimally compressed music and they're all quite proud of that fact for a reason. Steely Dan and Jamie Cullum are a couple of bands that still know how to record, but Jamie's slippin' big time. Hopefully he'll still care about how music sounds in another few years ;)
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Some pics of my current 'main' 2-channel system. Getting tempted to add another amp/preamp combo and setup a pair of B&W's for rears though. NOT really for movies - for the multi-channel SACD's and DVD's I have of music concerts and such. There is a front projector in this room which fills the space between the speakers rather nicely. lol
Tandberg amp you see sitting next to one of my Ascents NEEDS a matching preamp... Already have the B&W's :)
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Not talking about hard rock or heavy metal concerts Hell Labs. Real concerts... orchestras comprised of human beings playing real acoustic instruments.
It can be both. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metallica_S%26M):)
I don't actually think much good came out after grunge died, and that was a bit iffy. The only most of the talented musicians (apart from well, orchestras but w/e) that have come up in the past decade are all from scandinavian countries, germany, france or eastern europe, and as you can imagine they all have exactly bugger all mainstream attention (playing metal or house will do that too you :angry:).
Bringing it round to topic, have you noticed nobody actually records in stereo any more? I can put a steppenwolf album on from the 60s,listen to each channel sperately and they are completely different. I can listen to nirvana, and hear the guitar move across from left to right (messes with you if you use headphones). With modern music you might as well just save the trouble and chuck your left speaker under a train for all the difference it makes.
Thats if you're daft enough to listern to whatevers popular nowadays (I forget). after that whole late 90s-early 2000s girlband/boyband era I actually superglued my radio tuning dial to the classic rock station. I don't regret this.
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Yes, recording techniques are in the shitter today. While even George Martin would argue that separating instruments like that is kind of a "no-no", it does make for a more compelling sound. Recording with minimal mic'ing (a microphone should be abbreviated MIC, not MIKE, as unfortunately some hi-end journalists mistakingly do), say two to four, enables a much more realistic sound stage image to be recorded and played back. This over-engineered Pro-Tools computer file crap that's been plaguing modern recordings for the last 15 or so years is for the frickin' birds! Music industry needs to wake up, but they're never going to. They're literally killing themselves slowly but surely and that's okay kind of. Not much music coming out today worth marketing or purchasing ;)
I can count on one hand how many "popular" new bands since the mid 90's into the 2000's I'd care to listen to:
Jamie Cullum
Amy Winehouse (she may be whatever, but the music and talent around her is rather good)
Gnarls Barkely
Black Joe Lewis
Dave Matthews (a song or three and that's it though)
...really straining to think of anyone else as new in my record collection. I'll have to edit the post if I come up with anymore. lol
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*awesome audio stuff*
...Jesus. That is NICE.
Call me an idiot, but if I was gonna drop big money on a sound system?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsSFcHX4F8k
lasonic trc-931, the gen 1 with the square corners from the 80s. I tell you, that ipod dock version is NOTHING compared to this. I've had dreams about it. I want to listen to grandmaster flash and the furious five with it.
But I know If I get one I'd have finished my entire life. After that, I'd just be waiting to die. I don't even care there were better ones back then.
I'm actually saving up for one now, but other stuff gets in the way. I'm also kinda scard to get it shipped across the atlantic.
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LOL! I totally grew up with some really nice 'ghetto blasters' in my day. That thing looks like a modern rip-off of one though. Don't know much about it, but it looks too thin and cheap compared to the ones we had. Our stuff was usually grey, NEVER black and they had analogue VU meters, NOT LED's. Too many red flags for that thing to be taken seriously - even though we're just talking boom boxes. lol If that's all that exists now though, I guess it's kinda cool for what it is. Wouldn't pay more than $150-$200 for it though (Assuming it's worth that much to begin with)... what's your definition of "big money"?
And yeah... if you're that tickled over a boom-box, ever read any Jules Verne? I hear 20,000 Leagues Under The Sea is a real good read... lmao
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Yes, recording techniques are in the shitter today. While even George Martin would argue that separating instruments like that is kind of a "no-no", it does make for a more compelling sound. Recording with minimal mic'ing (a microphone should be abbreviated MIC, not MIKE, as unfortunately some hi-end journalists mistakingly do), say two to four, enables a much more realistic sound stage image to be recorded and played back. This over-engineered Pro-Tools computer file crap that's been plaguing modern recordings for the last 15 or so years is for the frickin' birds! Music industry needs to wake up, but they're never going to. They're literally killing themselves slowly but surely and that's okay kind of. Not much music coming out today worth marketing or purchasing ;)
Yet ironically It was the atari ST and amiga that started the modern method of music production...
I'll get my coat.:roflmao:
I wouldn't worry about the music industry either, they're so slow to adapt to the modern world you might as well start your own record label. Its easy now too, any mug with a laptop and some mics can crank out audio cds. A mate of mine actually does this, he's got a cd label machine-type-thing (don't know what to call it), a high end colour printer, and he bulk buys cd-rs. The attitude of his is roughly "if it gets on the internet, good for them. It's not like I can take it back down again."
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LOL! I totally grew up with some really nice 'ghetto blasters' in my day. That thing looks like a modern rip-off of one though. Don't know much about it, but it looks too thin and cheap compared to the ones we had. Our stuff was usually grey, NEVER black and they had analogue VU meters, NOT LED's. Too many red flags for that thing to be taken seriously - even though we're just talking boom boxes. lol If that's all that exists now though, I guess it's kinda cool for what it is. Wouldn't pay more than $150-$200 for it though (Assuming it's worth that much to begin with)... what's your definition of "big money"?
And yeah... if you're that tickled over a boom-box, ever read any Jules Verne? I hear 20,000 Leagues Under The Sea is a real good read... lmao
Actually, that IS an 80s boombox. Quite a popular one too, they go for about $200 in okay condition. They actually brought it back twice, once in the 90s with rounded corners, and a terrible iPod dock that breaks constantly and everything on it is just stickers. the TRC-975 is a higher end version.
TRC-931:
(http://img.gizmodo.jp/img/070820_boombox_12.jpg)
TRC-975:
(http://classicboombox.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/Lasonic-TRC-9752.jpg)
Little children have teddy bears. I have these buggers. Or would, if I could buy one easily enough. The only one on ebay is over $100 shipping, and broken.
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@m4rk1z:
Yes, I've recorded music to both a hi-fi VHS deck and a "Dolby Labs" VHS machine before. We both know which one is better, BUT... you're right. Even without control of the recording levels, a VHS tape is the closest thing possible to reel-to-reel sound as we can get. Very similar, if not exactly the same ips recording too. Just sold a Yamaha Hi-Fi VHS machine that allowed you to control recording levels in fact. Without the use of ANY Dolby noise reduction or compression - this is truly hi-fi at its best. Too bad the mechanisms are so damn noisy though :mad:
Because of that, I still prefer recording on my Nakamichi made Kyocera decks.
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Hum, not everyone listens to that loud music they call 'pop-music' nowadays
But considering audiophiles, the most influential factor in music is the acoustics. I guess those audiophiles also rebuild their rooms to create an optimal acoustic space?
I personally am quite an audiophile, but I know where to stop (and to start :D)
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I just wanted to comment on some things here (not too much b/c it's 5am in my country so i go to sleep soon)...
YES i also have monster cabels (i got them just to compare with others, i got two 75cm)
i would say everybody must buy cabels for specific music for himself so YES they make BIG difference, i also have AKG headphones (but have not used them for more than 20 year)... i had a AIWA walkman (better than sonys) in the '80s it is good like listen music in cars but that's all then!
So metallica, the singer (Hetfield) can NOT sing - i was watching them live!
Also in the DVD with SF orchestra Kirk Hammet just shows how he can NOT play or imitate Hendrix hahahahahaha so HELL_boyLAB is maybe right, thunder can be better :laughing: Metallica dissapointed me so much i left the concert, but i had luck b/c the intro group Cult was very good indeed! I know what i m talking about b/c i was playing guitar...
I also was at PINK FLOYD concerts they CAN PLAY very well and have such sound setups that i heard the first time in my life sound traveling from front to right and them in the back of me then to the left and BACK to the front !!!
That was a very impressive concert! I m sure i m not the only persons that had that great live experience...
@save2600 nice
Magneplanars or ELEKTROSTATICS (i think this ones, right?) Interesting stuff is when you buy some you have a break in period for them to settle down properly (playing non stop some music for a few days).
hehehehe i like the sound of them but not my thing really, i wanted to upload an quick cellphone of my livingroom hehehe it is silimar to yours but imageshack just sux (did not uploaded the picture???) try tomorrow again... ok here it is...
Sorry, there is stuff lying everywhere you know i have two little kids and a life too!
;p
...and there was adjusting sound level with panasonic nv HD700 (i also have some pro vhs, can't remember the right now) but
my Nakamichi deck was just a little bit better than my vcr-s and vcr are not so practical for listening music at all...
(http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/848/imag0266.jpg)
I also have magneplanars but small ones just for watching HD movies on my DLP Infocus until i get a GOOD 5.1 amp so i can use my hifi again only for vinyls (so hard to get good LP's these days)...
So keep in mind when listening i move the speakers left and right about 1,5 m from the corners and the wall and put them on spikes (btw they are not so heavy ;p) i have a good big carpet and curtains in the room what's also important for good music!
@speelgod
audiophiles always rebuild their rooms to create an optimal acoustic space IF THEY CAN - you are right, my friend build his house with the idea of creating a big living room b/c the bass needs to travel about 6-7m for optimal quality, my friend made the living room with a sub bass system (what i personaly do not like) so his bass is coming from the room above thru a channel into the room it looks like someones fire place with his hi and middle speakers hanging from the ceiling (i m not living in a house) ;p
btw Save2600
GREAT turntable you have !
cya
i go to sleep now.... zzzzz....
p.s. sorry for my bad english...
;p
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I guess those audiophiles also rebuild their rooms to create an optimal acoustic space?
Yeah, I have a couple of portable acoustic traps I set out when listening, but I really do need to dampen the corners and a couple of walls. I haven't gotten around to doing just that yet. It's funny, because the couple of serious audiophile friends I have, when they're over - they like the liveliness of my room as-is. One has admitted that he over dampened his room and he did. Just sounds dead to me, but then again - he's using conventional box speakers - to which I *am* an audio snob about. Only a few boxes have ever left a good impression on me and two that quickly come to mind are Thiel and B&W. I don't even care for the boomy/bassy sound that comes out of Wilson's more expensive stuff, although they come REAL close and I haven't spent too much time with 'em.
@m4rk1z: what speakers are you using in the room that's pictured?
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hehehe i had the b&w cdm1 and also dynaudio system but first had to less
bass and second was to linear... both was EXCELLENT choice btw imho!
I love the softer sound, speakers like yours that have crystal crisp but soft high frequency
and fenomenal middles, i would not care to much about the bass but i had no 10k to spend
on them ;p (we tested some but i can not recall what they was...)
The latest speakers a got (and stick with them) was the one on the pic
http://44bx.com/tannoy/Cabinets2.html
the one with "15 driver and i also modified them a little
:laughing:
i m into hard rock Purple, Dire st., P.floyd, Zeppelins, I.Malmasten, Clapton etc etc... just a few... so i stayed with the Ardens - works perfect till today!
I also never had enough money to buy some decent mono blocks from my friend hes making them maybe you heard of him?
http://www.karan-acoustics.com/kas180.php
i was very close once buying just one, but children came ;p
Can you imagine how good was the cdm1 on Milans K's 270 monos?
:laughing:
he also modded many good cd players to sound indeed very good!
;p
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MY stereo is this:
http://uk.shopping.com/xPO-Bush-3810B
(http://di1.shopping.com/images1/pi/45/56/65/21419385-260x260-0-0_Bush+3810B.jpg?p=E3Nf6QtD0t&a=2&c=44&l=3055020&t=02%2F25%2F10%2005%3A40%3A33%20PM&r=1&d=)
It's a pretty good stereo. I bought the alba brand one from argos about, ten years ago now, cost a hundred quid. I just wish it had a graphic equalizer. Actually, I wish it was a 80s or early 90s model like my old one,as they tended to have a lot more features and looked a lot cooler.
How come you can't buy this kind of unit any more? Slap an iPod dock on it, job done, go home. They were already getting phased out when I got this, so sad.
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Oh dear it's Bush.
2 x 5 Watt RMS.
Holy shit. Speechless.
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Oh dear it's Bush.
2 x 5 Watt RMS.
Holy shit. Speechless.
:cool:
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i have seen studies that show that even though people can only distiguish x number of colors or audio samples, with training or repetition they can tell the difference between x and z even though z should be out of their capabilities.
i have very good hearing, i take care of my ears with ear plugs (i worked in a pressroom for 13yrs) and i dont listen to loud music, but i really dont care about audio quality. i have an aureal vortex2 sound card in my pc from 1998 that i have had in every pc ive put together in the last 10 years because it gets the job done.
monitors on the other hand are a totally different thing. i use crts. my hdtv is crt because i specifically went out looking for one after comparing all the crts lcds dlps and plasmas. i perfer crt. i havent found an lcd i like because the color is wrong and the purity is terrible.
of course i spent over a decade matching color on a printing press.
looong story short, i think there are tiny differences between audio systems and there are people who care enough to pay for what they want. i could have gotten a crappy lcd for cheaper (and lighter)
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I had two of these (for people who don't know what they are: They're amplifiers from the late sixties, and they're really good):
(http://wp.hi-fi-insight.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/02/Quad_303.jpg)
One of the stupidest things I've ever done in my life is selling them :rant:
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...i really dont care about audio quality. i have an aureal vortex2 sound card in my pc from 1998 that i have had in every pc ive put together in the last 10 years because it gets the job done.
monitors on the other hand are a totally different thing. i use crts. my hdtv is crt because i specifically went out looking for one after comparing all the crts lcds dlps and plasmas. i perfer crt. i havent found an lcd i like because the color is wrong and the purity is terrible...
High five, I agree with everying you just said. LCDs suck. I never know they marketed CRTs as hdtvs, but I only watch tv shows downloaded from the internet to my pc, and whatever I still have on vhs.
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Some pics of my current 'main' 2-channel system. Getting tempted to add another amp/preamp combo and setup a pair of B&W's for rears though. NOT really for movies - for the multi-channel SACD's and DVD's I have of music concerts and such. There is a front projector in this room which fills the space between the speakers rather nicely. lol
Tandberg amp you see sitting next to one of my Ascents NEEDS a matching preamp... Already have the B&W's :)
Are those a pair of martin logans?
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I have to agree with save2600 (sorry I don't know your name), but digital recording is quite awful, and the use of computers for recording music has cheapened the whole recording industry. The horrendous overuse of compression just sucks all the life out of music. Then there's poor quality computer reverbs and effects...very poor, then on top of that, poor engineers/producers who have no idea what the hell they are doing.
To me, music and the quality of audio recordings has declined with each passing decade. Mid-late 1950's recordings were just amazing. There's a simple reason for this - they used better equipment to what we use today, and secondly they were recorded and produced by professionals, not bloody media studies college graduates. In the 50's they had the finest valve (tube) open reel tape machines, valve microphones, valve pre-amps, valve amps, valve compressors etc etc...real reverbs, not 'pretend' digital reverbs. Things were still good in the 60's and 70's. Midi in the 80's of course started the decline of musicianship, so that any idiot with a keyboard or drum machine could make their own "music" and make a hit record (amazingly).
Then came the 90's, oh dear. Extremely poor music production, extremely poor recording equipment (studios turned to digital recording and mixing by 1995/6). Due to the cheapness and maintenance free digital recording setups (ie computers/hard drive recorders/dat etc), many new studios opened, none of which were professional in equipment, nor were the producers any good at all. So music hit a low in the 90's, and it hasn't recovered ever since.
The production of music since the 90's is so poor, that indeed you can do a better job yourself, which is what I do (even with fairly cheap digital recording gear).
Oh, I almost forgot about the compact disc!
All I have to say about those is this : Convenient but CRAP.
It's a joke when people use the term "cd quality" or when it is used to boast about certain products. I'm like "cd quality? What does that mean?". I believe cd's and their 'quality' have also contributed to the decline of the music industry.
When I want to listen to some REAL quality I will either:
a) Listen to a vinyl LP (from late 50's to late 80's)
b) Listen to my open reel tascam mastering machine (15ips, full track 1/4" tape).
Until I hear something better than my reel to reel tape or my vinyl records, then I'm afraid I'll continue to remain with my 1950's technology, and very happily so.
P.S. To save2600 : there are some modern gems, try this one:
'Alison Krauss & Union Station – Let Me Touch You for Awhile'
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I had two of these (for people who don't know what they are: They're amplifiers from the late sixties, and they're really good):
(http://wp.hi-fi-insight.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/02/Quad_303.jpg)
One of the stupidest things I've ever done in my life is selling them :rant:
You still can build one by yourself, it is not hard to do, before i got myself a mcintosh i was buying all the parts needed for a assembling a quad!
Some friends of mine did it and the result is fantastic for that money
:)
@crt mons I play racing games professionally on my xbox so i also have a crt, a silicon graphics '24 - that's the only way to do it right!
LCDs are indeed (today 2010) good for browsing the net :roflmao:
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racing games are definitely the best on crt, but professionally? Did you say professionally? Where do you play racing games professionally and how can I get in on that?!?
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racing games are definitely the best on crt, but professionally? Did you say professionally? Where do you play racing games professionally and how can I get in on that?!?
Yup that's right, it's WCG or world cyber games...
(http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/3457/20060310day2adsc0088pla.jpg)
:laughing:
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Of course LCDs look crap. They don't put gold plated fuses in the power supplies of the units or use monster cables to connect up the matrix.
LOL.
I always liked the way a Monster cable reverted to a 1mm copper track at the amp and a .50 mm copper wire at the driver cone.
But it's a religion for a lot of people and a money maker for a lot of companies. Good luck to them if there are the people out there who buy them.
I rember once playing a trick on a Audio sales person trying to sell me a set of expensive speakers. (with cheap drivers) He compared them to another set of speakers via the old multi stage switch, when he was interupted by another staff member I switched them back.
"Hmm you're right" I said when he retured. "They sound heaps better don't they."
"The sure do" he agreed, "Nothing like that cheap japanese crap."
I walked out.
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Of course LCDs look crap. They don't put gold plated fuses in the power supplies of the units or use monster cables to connect up the matrix.
LOL.
I always liked the way a Monster cable reverted to a 1mm copper track at the amp and a .50 mm copper wire at the driver cone.
But it's a religion for a lot of people and a money maker for a lot of companies. Good luck to them if there are the people out there who buy them.
I rember once playing a trick on a Audio sales person trying to sell me a set of expensive speakers. (with cheap drivers) He compared them to another set of speakers via the old multi stage switch, when he was interupted by another staff member I switched them back.
"Hmm you're right" I said when he retured. "They sound heaps better don't they."
"The sure do" he agreed, "Nothing like that cheap japanese crap."
I walked out.
(http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/7774/4thumbsup.jpg)
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Are those a pair of martin logans?
Yes - they're a pair of Ascents. I'm normally a Magnepan guy - but thought I'd try a pair of electrostatics out for a while. Had to replace the stator panels immediately (something you almost always have to do with these damn things when you buy used), but they sound great now. They're a little too focused for my tastes and having said that, wouldn't want any smaller of a curvilinear radiator than these. I'll go back to Magnepans someday (last pair were model III's), but for what I got these for, including a rebuild, I couldn't pass up.
And right on paul1981! Excellent diatribe of your own there. Wish more people were as passionate about some of this stuff today. But because music and its recording techniques leave so much to be desired, people simply aren't as interested anymore and rightfully so I guess. Next thought though is why the mainstream does not believe in re-listening to certain types of music. As if there's some sort of stigma to listening to classic rock or folk rock from the 60's. We're already acutely aware of what the mainstream thinks of the classical and jazz genres. Classical aside though, there are many, many, many groups are still relevant today. Most of the songs from the 50's-60's I listen to are about love, relationships and spirituality. They made and continue to make you feel good when you listen. Ahhh, I get it now... makes perfectly good sense why someone would rather listen to repetitive bass lines "produced" by a rap "artist" that has no respect for women, the law, themselves, or humanity in general ;) lol
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@save2600 (http://www.amiga.org/forums/member.php?u=4167)
I have been on the lookout for KEF Raymond Cooke series 105/3 for quite some time now.
What amps are you using?
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@save2600 (http://www.amiga.org/forums/member.php?u=4167)
I have been on the lookout for KEF Raymond Cooke series 105/3 for quite some time now.
What amps are you using?
Seems I change my amps around every few years... Threshold, Golden Tube Audio, Margules, Tandberg, Tube Audio Design, Adcom, Rotel and Forte have all graced the rooms within the past 15 years or so. Currently, I'm using a Bryston 4B and am quite happy with it. Speaker cables are bi-wired Wireworld Equinox 5.x's. Come to think of it, for once in a very long time, I'm quite pleased with all of my components. I'm sure I'll be content for a while, but might have to add an Oppo Blu-Ray SE (DVD-Audio, SACD, etc.) edition someday soon. Seems like a great all around universal player for the money and since digital is not entirely my thing, this thing might just fit the bill.
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Of course LCDs look crap. They don't put gold plated fuses in the power supplies of the units or use monster cables to connect up the matrix.
LOL.
Are you seriously trying to say lcds look as good as crts?
lets use photoshop magic to add an "lcd like" quality to this picture. Before:
(http://filegets.com/screenshots/full/green-fields-3d-screensaver_14076.jpg)
After:
(http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/4776/lcdsuck.png)
Note the very visible gap between the pixels, giving the appearence of a black grid. Note the lack of contrast, and how the backlighting is uneven.
Lets look at the lcd again, but at a slighty different angle:
(http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/3111/lcdsuck2.png)
wheee! and wait untill you play a game at lower than "native" resolution! it's lego time!
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wheee! and wait untill you play a game at lower than "native" resolution! it's lego time!
You need newer games or a better video card! ;)
Other than that, you are absolutely right.
LCD's have a huge size advantage, though.
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You need newer games or a better video card!
Nope.
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Are you seriously trying to say lcds look as good as crts?
No not really I was having a go at the crud that goes on in the audio industry to make money from audiophiles. In context with rest of the post.
Actually our main TV is a panasonic 86" monster we got in 2004. Had the choice of getting Plasma(LCDs were to small then) The picture quality is still superb. If we had bought a plasma it would be screwed and due for replacement now.
But at the moment top end LED lit LCDs are pretty impressive.
gertsy