Enlightenment in 3D

[lorddef]

persia wrote:
I like how they had that girl fondle her breast half way through just to wake us up

Exactly what I was thinking, 45 seconds in.

To be honest nice looking desktops are fine, but I just can't be fu*ked with all the 3d stuff, I don't see how it could possibly increase my productivity.

[the_leander]

bloodline wrote:

Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
Sorry, I hated every bit of it. This graphic stuff only a burden to the processing power, the benefits can be easily achieved with conventional 2d graphics by a creative mind.
It's just the same 'shock and awe' song again. While there's still so much to do considering performance, flexibility and user friendlyness (and also flexibility in user friendlyness - for future applications)

 :roll:

Don't worry Speel, this eyecandy is handled by the GPU... no CPU cycles are wasted, so it's good to put the GPU to some use other than sitting idle...

Bwhahaha, the year is 2005, Karlos has had a curry that has played havok with his internal organs, and so is suffering from a case of "the fear". We discuss modern hardware and he comes up with the following:

In my day it was expected that hardware would have bugs just as any gentlemen had vices in his otherwise perfect character. Non DMA is just hte hardware equivalent of riveting your secretary.

After all, gents prefer PIO (parts in often)

You can't trust these DMA devices, too much autonomy. In my day, CPU's used to tell parts what to do in exacting terms and they were thrashed with frequent busrequests when they were insolent. All this DMA is the same rot society is experiencing with all this liberalist nonsense. The CPU is the gentry class, subordinate processors must be kept in their place, what?

Northbridge and Southbridge are your working classes. They mustn't be allowed to think for themselves, they must be told what to do. You'll have a bloody socialist revolution otherwise, everybody thinking they have the right to access the memory. You see, old bean, memory is like land, only the gentry should own it. Cant have these commoners setting up camp. Bad for society!

Bring back the hardware oligarchy, I say! People today are in too much of a damn rush. In my day, we'd sit back and have port and cigars whilst waiting for a long IO transfer, comfortable in the knowledge it was done correctly and with class, the CPU guiding the way.

Nowadays, you can't trust anything since all this so called progress. Your bolshevik DMA transfer seems hard working and keen to impress but by damn, you cant trust it you know. Without the CPU transferring those bytes to memory how can you be sure it isn't spreading it's socialist sedition by tampering with them? Or worse still it might pocket a few on the way. The working classes can't be trusted with that type of authority old bean, it just isn't in their breeding.

Its almost as bad as these garish GPU things, what?

In my day you simply let the CPU work on the framebuffer, there was none of this 'hardware accelerated' malarchy.

All this high and truecolour displays and fancy so called eye candy! Damn homosexuality is what it is! It wouldn't have been tolerated in my day, by damn. We had green on black, a manly colour scheme for real men.

Lord Karlos of Quarterpast Two strikes again!

[the_leander]

kolla wrote:
If you're trying to be funny, you're not succeeding,

I see you're still the same humourless.. bah nevermind.

kolla wrote:and I believe you mean matchbox, not busybox.

BusyBox.

Not for everyone, in fact, not for many people. But some folk like it. A mans desktop, for manly men!

Though thinking about it, perhaps this might be more to your liking Window Maker..

[the_leander]

lorddef wrote:

persia wrote:
I like how they had that girl fondle her breast half way through just to wake us up

Exactly what I was thinking, 45 seconds in.

To be honest nice looking desktops are fine, but I just can't be fu*ked with all the 3d stuff, I don't see how it could possibly increase my productivity.

Speaking as someone who has used both non 3d accelerated Elive and this, it doesn't improve productivity. But the key thing is this: It doesn't reduce it either. Which I think is key.

[kolla]

the_leander wrote:

kolla wrote:and I believe you mean matchbox, not busybox.

BusyBox.

Not for everyone, in fact, not for many people. But some folk like it.

I do like busybox, I've hacked around in it quite a bit over the years. However I fail to see what's so amusing mentioning it in the context of desktop environments.

Edit: Also, I'd bet busybox has more users around than almost any other linux program around, so it's definetly for most people.

[the_leander]

kolla wrote:
However I fail to see what's so amusing mentioning it in the context of desktop environments.

Clearly. Problem is, even if I explain it to you, the moment has passed.

kolla wrote:
Edit: Also, I'd bet busybox has more users around than almost any other linux program around, so it's definetly for most people.

Most computer users I know consider cli to be a thing of myth and legend. Comparing it to the darkest black magic. Of a time when only the truly hardcore geek used a computer.

[the_leander]

the_leander wrote:

kolla wrote:
However I fail to see what's so amusing mentioning it in the context of desktop environments.

Clearly. Problem is, even if I explain it to you, the moment has passed.

Actually, thats not fair. So I'll elaborate for you.

I first came across busybox on a floppy disk, it had written on it "Busybox rescue disk, for when all else fails".

I found the concept of you using an uber powerful modern computer, with only a cli running off of a floppy in place of a desktop somewhat amusing.

[persia]

Single floppy?  We stopped ordering floppies when Dull started asking for a few bucks for them, didn't seem to make sense to pay for something you don't use.  And I only got into Macs this century so I've never seen a Mac with one.  The other day someone brought in a floppy to read and the only drive we could find was in the old computer we put aside for students to use to file their timesheets....

[the_leander]

Well he did specify something built not for everyone.

I figured that it was about as niche as one could get outside of an amiga...

[motorollin]

Annoying video... Why do they have to cut away from footage of the software every 0.5 seconds to show a shot of some girl sitting on the ground with an EeePC on her lap?

--
moto

[the_leander]

motorollin wrote:
Annoying video... Why do they have to cut away from footage of the software every 0.5 seconds to show a shot of some girl sitting on the ground with an EeePC on her lap?

--
moto

Pass?

[Speelgoedmannetje]

the_leander wrote:

Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
Sorry, I hated every bit of it. This graphic stuff only a burden to the processing power, the benefits can be easily achieved with conventional 2d graphics by a creative mind.

The standard Enlightenment 17 offers this in buckets. So far as I can tell, this is just to show it can be done. Perhaps you should try one of the non 3d composited versions of Elive...

Fact is, is that Enlightenment uses a fraction of the resources a gnome or kde based linux does and is as fast as xfce on the same hardware. That it runs so smoothly even on something as pathetic (spec wise) as my eeepc is a testiment to the amount of optimisation that it has for "low end" systems.

Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
It's just the same 'shock and awe' song again. While there's still so much to do considering performance, flexibility and user friendlyness (and also flexibility in user friendlyness - for future applications)

 :roll:

You might also want to double check Elive's minimum system requirements - Pentium 1 processor with 64Mb of ram, same as with a cut down linux running xfce.

Only prettier. And more flexable. And more conducive to keeping a high level of workflow.

I used Elive 1.0 on my PC after trialing SUSE, Ubuntu and a half dozen others, all of which I found clunky after using BeOS/Zeta. It was the first distro that I didn't have to prat about with codecs or drivers for, it was the first one that ran out of the box with all of my hardware first time everytime.

I loved it and it still bugs the hell out of me that that machine was stolen. I got so much done using it that it wasn't funny. It had a great interface, had a rediculously small memory and system overhead and it seemed never to slow down even when you were thrashing the hell out of it.

O.K. :-)
I'll try it when I reinstall my pc.
I just hated how slow kde and gnome were.
Still, I'd love to see a linux distro as fast as BeOS. (or faster :-D)

[Speelgoedmannetje]

motorollin wrote:
Annoying video... Why do they have to cut away from footage of the software every 0.5 seconds to show a shot of some girl sitting on the ground with an EeePC on her lap?

--
moto

Because it's a GIHIRL! WHOOHOO A GIHIRL! YAY FOR BOOBIES!


Or something like that.....

[motorollin]

Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
it's a GIHIRL! WHOOHOO A GIHIRL! YAY FOR BOOBIES!

QFT :lol: :-P

--
moto

[Speelgoedmannetje]

motorollin wrote:

Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
it's a GIHIRL! WHOOHOO A GIHIRL! YAY FOR BOOBIES!

QFT :lol: :-P

--
moto

:-D

[bloodline]

Speelgoedmannetje wrote:

motorollin wrote:
Annoying video... Why do they have to cut away from footage of the software every 0.5 seconds to show a shot of some girl sitting on the ground with an EeePC on her lap?

--
moto

Because it's a GIHIRL! WHOOHOO A GIHIRL! YAY FOR BOOBIES!

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