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The "Not Quite Amiga but still computer related category" => Amiga Emulation => Topic started by: Amigamia on July 24, 2006, 06:33:46 PM
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Is there any good site that gives good information about Amithlon and its updates etc? Is anyone still using this emulator and if so how is it?
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I used it for a while, was very fast, but i still prefer Amiga Forever (currently using V6, not the latest, but not too old).
Amithlon has now been discontinued.
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but, there are upgrade to support new x86 hardware.
For now Amithlon support SATA controller and some coder works on amithlon kernel to support more pc hardware like video, audio e hd controller.
Yes, there are very few people, but even slowly, amithlon grows :)
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I've been using it for a couple months. And it is great. It's the fastest Amiga I've ever had. In fact, I've been turning a couple of my old PIII-866-1000's into Amithlon machines. On a PIII-1000, it's about 10-15 faster than a 68060-50 using the DSPSPEED benchmark.
And also, lots of hardware is available, unlike for OS4.
There is a Yahoo group called Amithlonopen. I will try to put up a website in the near future to consolidate all the info on the web about Amithlon.
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I'm using Amithlon on Virtual PC with my PPC Mac Mini and its still fast! :-o .
The death of this project was a big blow to the amiga
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What can you realistically do with it?
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moto
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I use it for surfing the internet with AWeb 3.5.08. It still needs a couple features of modern browsers like CSS, but it's faster than any browser on my Windows XP machines. Also, it's more immune to spyware and other hazsards since the Amiga is but a blip on the the internet.
So far, I have gotten it to burn CD's, play MP3's, MODS, and MIDI files, put it on my Windows 2000 network so that it can utilize shared drives and printers, and emulate a Mac (Quadra 650). I have also installed some programs, AmigaWriter, Art Effects, PerfectPaint DirectoryOpus and Bars and Pipes. I also installed some old software, ProWrite 3.2, DeluxeMusic2, Pagestream2.2.
I still have some more projects to do on it: Install TrueType fonts, a 3-D program (Aladdin 4-D, Imagine), some WB games, enable the USB ports, etc...
But this is as close to a modern Amiga you can get to today.
I do use WinUAE too. It's more compatible with classic Amiga software since it emulates the Amiga's custom chips. But in terms of performance, Amithlon blazes.
However, it does take quite a bit of tweaking. If you're up to the challenge, it will really payoff.
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Sounds interesting. Maybe I should try it out, I would like to have a Perfect Paint box.
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I have used an HD installed copy of AMithlon on my 500MHz Pentium III machine (my fastest PC) and it ran really nicely. Didn't have much software for it though, and at the time I didn't have an ADSL internet connection that could be used through my ethernet card, so I don't know what internet is like on it.
That computer is spare now (I use a powermac now) so I will install Amithlon on it again.
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Can you run WHDLoad on it?
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moto
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motorollin wrote:
Can you run WHDLoad on it?
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moto
AFAIK there is no custom chip emulation in Amithlon.
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As already mentioned, Amithlon does not support the custom chips. It is meant more for performance and is thus suited for Desktop Publishing (PageStream), Graphics (PerfectPaint), 3-D Graphics (Maxxon Cinema4D), networking, etc...
It supports graphics which use P96 and audio which uses AHI. There are some games that take advantage of these advanced features. But older games are best played using WinUAE.
I have my machine dual-booted with Amithlon and WindowsXP. For older programs, I go into XP and use WinUAE emulation. For applications that require speed, I go into Amithlon.
Several programmers use Amithlon to develop 68K programs because of the speed of compiling. TotalAmiga magazine also uses it to layout their magazine. I believe there are still graphics artists who use its speed for rendering 3-D graphics and musicians who use it for Bars & Pipes with MIDI.
In the AmithlonOpen Yahoo groups, recently, I was able to get help from both Bernie Meyer (Amithlon) as well as several others who were instrumental in it.
Gary Colville is still working on updating the kernals to support newer hardware.
Here are some links:
http://www.geit.de/
http://www.hd-zone.com/
http://www.haage-partner.de/amigaxl/support-faq-e.html
http://www.vmc.de/amithlon/index.html
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a little off topic i know but, just how do you make amithlon hd bootable, i have tried following guides but its all a bit complicated for a newbie like me. Could anyone give me a stupid persons guide to intalling amithlon?
thanks Juv.U.K
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@ Juv.U.K
You could try the install disk on the link here, but WARNING only do this if you only wish to use Amithlon on a single harddisk as it will re-partition the whole disk.
http://www.saunalahti.fi/~vjouppi/amithlon/
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thanks Nitro, I'll give it a go! ;o)
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Amithlonopen (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amithlonopen/)
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Thanks everyone!!
I have also been thinking of putting up a website to centralize all the efforts still going on this powerfull emulator. It's a shame that it had to end like that but maybe we can still focus on it and revive it.
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Amigamia,
Are you near the DC Metro area? I'm in Silver Spring, MD. Let me know if you need some help building an Amithlon machine. I have built several from free computers I've picked up.
I'm also interested in setting up a site for Amithlon support from my experience with the product.
I believe it's probably the best of the modern Amigas (Amithlon (OS3.9), AmigasOne (OS4), Pegasos (MorphOS)).
Like the other modern Amigas, Amithlon does not support the old custom chips directly. It uses retargetable graphics (P96) and audio (AHI).
But it is more compatible with most Amiga software since it can run 68k code using very low-level JIT emulation. OS4 and MorphOS must use E-UAE since they are PPC native.
Also, hardware is plentiful and cheap. People are getting rid of their 5/6 year old computers which are ideal for building Amithlons.
And finally, you can install Amithlon on much faster machines. Both the AmigaOnes and Pegasos machines are already several years old. As Gary Colville, and perhaps others, develop newer kernals, it can support newer hardware that the others can't.
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@rdolores
But it is more compatible with most Amiga software since it can run 68k code using very low-level JIT emulation. OS4 and MorphOS must use E-UAE since they are PPC native.
I don't know where you're getting these ideas from, but MorphOS has both static and JIT 68k emulation built-in. You don't need to use E-UAE to run Amiga applications.
My understanding is that the latest OS4 prerelease has JIT now, too. It had static emulation from the first public prerelease.
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Thanks for the correction. It is interesting to note that the guy who made JIT was Bernd Meyer. His JIT code has not only been used for 680x0 emulation for the Amiga on UAE (WinUAE, E-UAE, etc.), MorphOS and OS4, but also for the BasiliskII Mac emulator.
This is the same Bernd Meyer who created Amithlon along with Harald Frank.
Piru wrote:
@rdolores
But it is more compatible with most Amiga software since it can run 68k code using very low-level JIT emulation. OS4 and MorphOS must use E-UAE since they are PPC native.
I don't know where you're getting these ideas from, but MorphOS has both static and JIT 68k emulation built-in. You don't need to use E-UAE to run Amiga applications.
My understanding is that the latest OS4 prerelease has JIT now, too. It had static emulation from the first public prerelease.
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@rdolores
It is interesting to note that the guy who made JIT was Bernd Meyer. His JIT code has not only been used for 680x0 emulation for the Amiga on UAE (WinUAE, E-UAE, etc.), MorphOS and OS4, but also for the BasiliskII Mac emulator.
Neither MorphOS or OS4 use Bernd's JIT.
MorphOS JIT (called "Trance") was written by Ralph Schmidt and Teemu Suikki. Some minor work on it has been made by other MorphOS Team members: Mark Olsen, Sigbjørn Skjæret, and myself.
OS4 JIT (called "Petunia") was written by Álmos Rajnai.
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I got this PDF some time ago. This is what I used the first time to build my Amithlon.
www.rdolores.com/amithlon/Amithlon-Guide.pdf
I used FreeDOS for the XFDISK utility. It should be a free download.
Later on I found out, you don't have to destroy your existing Windows XP partition to create an Amithlon partition.
I used Partition Magic to shrink my WinXP partition to make space for my Amithlon partion.
Then I used XFDISK on my FreeDOS diskette to create the boot partition and Amithlon partition.
JuvUK wrote:
a little off topic i know but, just how do you make amithlon hd bootable, i have tried following guides but its all a bit complicated for a newbie like me. Could anyone give me a stupid persons guide to intalling amithlon?
thanks Juv.U.K
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Piru wrote:
@rdolores
It is interesting to note that the guy who made JIT was Bernd Meyer. His JIT code has not only been used for 680x0 emulation for the Amiga on UAE (WinUAE, E-UAE, etc.), MorphOS and OS4, but also for the BasiliskII Mac emulator.
Neither MorphOS or OS4 use Bernd's JIT.
MorphOS JIT (called "Trance") was written by Ralph Schmidt and Teemu Suikki. Some minor work on it has been made by other MorphOS Team members: Mark Olsen, Sigbjörn Skjæret, and myself.
OS4 JIT (called "Petunia") was written by Álmos Rajnai.
Thanks for the correction again.
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@rdolores
Thanks for all your help!! I live in Virginia Beach VA, not too far from you. I am collecting all the info that I can and build a community website on Amithlon. Also I am trying to understand more and more how to build more drivers for more hardware and redeveloping new kernel. The key to success, among other things, for Amithlong is the availability for drivers.
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Hi Guys!
First, my english is very bad!
I came from Germany and i use Amithlon too.
I'am a member of www.a1k.org we have also a thread of
Amithlon!
And we have a Amithlon guide too!
http://www.a1k.org/forum/index.php?mode=viewthread&forum_id=10&thread=93
Now my problem:
Software on my Amithlon runs very well, but games not!
I use E-UAE68K 0.8.28 from Richard Drummond on Amithlon,
and its running very good....10min!
(Tested with PinballDreams)
Than it's going down, not a Guru, simply down.
Amithlon starts now and i hear sound from Soundcart
that's burst your ear! Not music!
I use a SoundblasterLive!-Cart with the emu1okx.audio
driver!
Any answers?
Greetings Andy
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I would try another/newer Version of E-UAE or maybe the sounddriver is making it work that bad.
BTW: Ich komme auch aus Deutschland. Ihr habt mit den a1k ne echt nette Seite zusammengestellt.
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Richard Drummond has released a new WIP release of the great E-UAE. Check out the details and download the emulator from
http://www.rcdrummond.net/uae/
It is E-UAE-0.8.29-WIP3. I've tried it and it works on my WB1.3 68000, 1 MB Chip, 8 MB Fast, setup. It has some major improvements. It's quite snappier (faster) booting up and loading folders and icons. Very stable so far too.
The only thing not working yet is the 68020 emulation, and he is working on that.
He is making great progress since 0.8.28.
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Amigamia wrote:
@rdolores
... Also I am trying to understand more and more how to build more drivers for more hardware and redeveloping new kernel. The key to success, among other things, for Amithlong is the availability for drivers.
Contact Gary Colville on http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amithlonopen
He's working on an updated kernel for amithlon (the kernel is open source, BTW), which should be due out in September.
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Just a note to those wanting to join the group (which you must if you want to post a question there):
- You need to have your membership approved (to keep out the spam bots) so you may need to wait a day or two for me to get round to it. It also helps a great deal if you leave a relevent message with your application - something to indicate you are a real person interested in Amithlon and not a bot leaving generic messages like "I wast to join this great group". Mentioning Amigas usually does the trick.
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Hmmm, I'm becoming intrigued by Amithlon :-)
(Amithlon + E-UAE) > (AROS + E-UAE) ???
Does anyone know if it is possible to install Amithlon inside Parallels Desktop (virtualisation software)? I would like to try it out but don't have a PC, only my MacBook.
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moto
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Amigatlon is great! IMO the best new amiga you can get, why was it killed like anything cool the amiga scene has done in the last 10 years I DON'T KNOW. I belive that there was/is an effort made by competition to kill the amiga by killing all promising projects! :evil: Long live AmigaXL. To you Amiga killers, it's over we won't threaten the commercial markert ever again, that much is sure.(thanks! yes Amiga INC I'm looking at you!) Now back off and let us have some fun! I not going to wait for amiga OS4 (it's a joke at this point!) I don't want to be stuck with wired hardware that is realy expensive and not easy to replace, have we learned NOTHING? Even MAC has gone with Intel chips! I will support any amigathlon site you guys want to put together! ANYBODY THAT TELLS YOU THAT AMIGATHLON IS BAD FOR THE AMIGA SCENE would rather see the amiga dead! Just so you guys know, yes I still like my classic amiga hardware. It interesting to see just how much of a threat the Amiga was to other platforms, still people are attempting to kill it, hahaha good luck! (rant over)
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Downloading Amithlon now from "somewhere" ;-) I've heard that it is still being maintained. Anyone know where I can download the updates?
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moto
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The latest is from Gary Colville. You can get them from here:
http://www.hd-zone.com/amithlon/amithlon.htm
He is also working some newer drivers.
You can also get the last ones from Bernie Meyer
http://www.amithlon.net/en/amithlon_updates.shtml
The 2 files you will need are:
amithlon_contrib3b.lha (Amiga-side drivers)
amithlon_newkernel.lzh (Linux-side x86 drivers)
There is also a file called AmithlonUpdate.lha which is a substitue for amithlon_contrib3b.lha. It makes installation easier since it uses the Amiga Installer.
You can also find more Amithlon files at Harald Frank's site:
http://www.vmc.de/amithlon/index.html
And here's a good site for Amithlon info including setting up a NIC:
http://www.birrabrothers.com/tiger/
Hope this helps.
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Amigamania,
there are some myths about amithlon:
amithlon is not a good amiga emulator
cause you will fell bored quicly using bored workbench applications out of date
even is very hard to configure and the installation is only for experts causing several headaches
also amithlon is not faster than winuae like some idiots says here,for example I tested amithlon VS winuae 0.827 and winuae WINS or is a draw
however amithlon is faster than lastest winuae version 1.3 which is very slow dunno why..I don't care about that cause always I use winuae 0.827
anyways...maybe amithlon could be a good project if anyone intelligent make a custom chip emulation there but now is an obsolete and bored and discontinued beta project which not offer better emulation than winuae on any side
bye, Laser
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Laser there is no reason to go around calling ppl idiots becasue they have differnt benchmarks that you? I personly perfer amigathlon, but you know I don't play a lot of games, maybe I am a differnt type of user than you?
This all being said I think winUAE is very cool, I just don't run windows, not even for an emulator and the lunix and unix version are not that great. I'm not sure what idiots you are talking about, and I'm glad you include a benchmark that is construtctive. (if it's from the same box) I'm happy your winUAE is faster that you amigathlon, that's just does not jive with what I see and feel... But I take into account that I don't know every thing or have the latest version of every software... I have a job.
yes I want amigathol to contine development, yes it has gaps that could be filled. At least it runs on intel chips unlike the os4.0 witch is dommed to run on old hardware.... and you can boot it (mostly). Maybe you could develop some "custon chip emulation" since you don't think anybody that worked on amigathlon was "intelligent". There are several people on this site who belive they know every thing, and smart as they may be they don't. Just remember if you think you know it all you are wrong... that does not make you an idiot it makes yo human. :-D I would realy like to know if anybody knows why amigaXL is no longer for sale.
thanks
Pierre
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Pierre,
I have made some experiments using Lame 3.86 long time ago
and I will include test results from my memory cause I haven't installed amithlon right now
I have only tested 68k speed and not used amiga benchmarks like sysinfo or sysspeed cause they are inacurate
so here are my result using Lame 3.86 converting a wav file of aprox 4 minits length to mp3 using dafault lame options on an athlon xp 2400 2.0ghz .. 1 year or 1.5 ago
winuae 0.827 : 1.40 min
amithlon : 1.41
winuae 1.0 : 1.57
the diference betewen amithlon and a faster winuae release was only 1 second so I think is a draw
bye, Laser
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pierre wrote:
:-D I would realy like to know if anybody knows why amigaXL is no longer for sale.
I think it was an illegal distrubution!
Haage-partner didn'y have permission form Amiga inc or something??
they continued to sell it without the authors permission,
Original authors got screwed?
Bernie Meyer talked about it all somewhere
maybe here http://www.umilator.net/blog/ ?? but i cant find it again!
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Damn it, the file I left downloading all night wasn't Amithlon after all :-x Is it still available anywhere?
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moto
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also amithlon is not faster than winuae like some idiots says
So Bernie Meyer author of the JIT used in UAE and Amithlon is an idiot is he?
Him being an "idiot", I am sure he knows less about the performance of his own code than you do eh? :roll:
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Just my own two cents, I bought Amithlon years ago for a price close to 150 Euro's. I never installed it on hd so I only booted it from CD. The speed was breathtaking but it really didn't like playing games, and with games I mean RTG games from which I knew that they preferred being played on a gfx card as I had a fully working A1200 equipped tower next to the pc. So I cancelled my Amithlon project but once in a while I think about reviving it again. I do have a GeForce2 card ready and the PCI128 and an RTL8029 so I guess that's all I need to get started :lol: Thanks for all those cool links in this topic, need to check them all out but am confident that they will make the installing of the hd a lot easier :lol:
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nicholas,
I never told that Bernie is an idiot
well maybe yes I don't know him
I have made my own experiments ...check up
my results using Lame
or at least make your own experiments and post your results
and we can talk about that
but
believe it or not
The ultra speed of amithlon is a myth
Motorollin,
you can download amithlon using Emule or any program that join edonkey servers
there are some amithlon isos that some ppl share and you can try it
and don't worry about legality issues cause amithlon is a discontinued project
bye, Laser
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Laser wrote:
The ultra speed of amithlon is a myth
Amithlon is considerably faster than WinUAE. Either you've made some kind of mistake with your test, or Amithlon wasn't working correctly.
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Amithlon is alos lot closer to a real Amiga in responsivness since it has about all computer to itself, only a minimal linux running besides, WinUAE has... erhhh... windows... UAE for linux might be another history, but due to the host i cannot believ such claims (of winuae being faster)...
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I like Amithlon but I`d like to be able to use WHDLoad, so my question is would it be possible to install Amiga Forever 6.0 the live booting from the CD itself (no operating system required) portion on a harddrive? Has anyone tried to do that?
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If you look on the Amiga Forever web site, I think it says that installing to hard drive is not yet supported. Is the live CD version of Amiga Forever as fast as Amithlon?
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moto
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I just did some tests comparing Amithlon and WinUAE 1.3 on the same machine. I used two benchmarks: SysInfo and DSPSPEED.
MachineA: PIII-1000, 384 MB RAM
[color=ffff00]..........[/color]|-------SysInfo----------| |-DSPSPEED-|
[color=ffff00]............[/color]MIPS[color=ffff00]..[/color]MFLOPS[color=ffff00].[/color] Dhrystones[color=ffff00]..[/color]PSA_I PSA_F
Amithlon[color=ffff00]..[/color]707.62[color=ffff00]..[/color]287.60 [color=ffff00].....[/color]677907[color=ffff00]...[/color]1520 [color=ffff00]..[/color]990
WinUAE[color=ffff00]....[/color]370.33[color=ffff00]..[/color]144.10[color=ffff00]......[/color]354784[color=ffff00]....[/color]810 [color=ffff00].[/color]1170
[/size]
Looking at the numbers, Amithlon is about twice as fast as WinUAE on the same machine. The only exception seems to be in Floating Point calculations as seen in the PSA_F tests.
I came to the conclusion that for most tasks, Amithlon will be faster. WinUAE 1.3 has newer Floating Point routines which explains its advantage over Amithlon. Remember WinUAE 1.3 just came out within the last month or so. Amithlon is almost 5 years old. The only thing that has really been updated were the drivers.
I use both WinUAE and Amithlon. Subjectively, Amithlon is much faster. In fact, it is a more responsive OS than the Windows XP machine I have in the office which is a P4-3000 with Hyperthreading and 2 GB RAM. Even though I have optimized it (keeping it clean of spyware and removing unnecessary background tasks), it still has unexplained pauses, and sluggishness for no apparent reasons. My Amithlon (which is on a much slower PIII-1000), is much snappier: Windows and Icons appear immediately, I never experience any sluggishness. My word processors (AmigaWriter and ProWrite) are faster. Even my web browser (AWeb) is more responsive than either FireFox or IE.
I use WinUAE for its compatibility with the Amiga Custom Chipset. It is amazing how accurate its Paula emulation is. I use Deluxe Music with both MIDI and internal sounds. The internal sounds sound almost exactly the way they do on a real Amiga.
But for software that uses AHI audio and P96 graphics. Amithlon is better.
I'm sure if Amithlon had continued development, its Floating Point routines would have improved a lot too.
But who says you have to choose between one and another. I have both on the same machine. It's a dual-boot Windows XP and Amithlon computer. And in Windows, I have WinUAE.
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rdolores,
amithlon twice faster than winuae?
don't be stupid
here are your stupid errors:
1:benchmarks are inacurate old a not designed for emulators
do something serious like I did crunching a wave file to
mp3 using Lame
check like I did upstairs and check my results
2:Have you disabled sound on winuae before make a test?
I think you forgot that because you are a newbie
you must disable sound on winuae cause winuae is wasting cpu time on paula emulation
REMEMBER THAT AMITHLON HAVEN'T PAULA EMULATION
if you don't disable the sound on winuae amithlon start the competition with advantage
3:like I told upstair there are faster versions of winuae
and you have tested the slowest winuae 1.3
make a new test using 0.827
bye little boy
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1:benchmarks are inacurate old a not designed for emulators
do something serious like I did crunching a wave file to
mp3 using Lame
Look at:
I'm sure if Amithlon had continued development, its Floating Point routines would have improved a lot too.
Benchmark is also lot more then doing some Lame tests though as you would probably guessed it, most amiga programs doesn't deal with fpu, and those who use it don't contribute a bit to the overall responsivness of the machine..
and you have tested the slowest winuae 1.3
correction, he has tested the last winuae, which probably is what most people use, the last version of a given software... so you still is claiming that, despite having an all Windows(*) to deal with, WinUAE is better then a dedicated kernel for Amithlon...
We must be smoking pot a lot these days...
:roll:
REMEMBER THAT AMITHLON HAVEN'T PAULA EMULATION
You must have slipped this:
But for software that uses AHI audio and P96 graphics. Amithlon is better.
And please, in the future don't make an ass out of yourself when you can't dweal into arguments you cannot handle...
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Laser:
"don't be stupid, here are your stupid errors:,bye little boy ".
Troll Alert. Moderator action required.
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pixie,
you are a novel like rdolores
and some times I use that bad words cause novel ppl make confusion,write idiots things and spread lies
btw,Im trying to solve the speed problem of new winuae versions with Toni willen the author of winuae
check what says Toni about my speed tests:
btw, thanks for testing with something that makes sense instead of just running some obsolete speed test program Can you do the same test with 0.9.x and older 1.2 versions?
check here and see:
http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=24555
or go to www.winuae.net and click on List of currently known bugs
bye little pixie
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Amithlon IS loads faster than WinUAE and will remain so wether you believe it or not - your Amithlon installation is broken.
Make sure you`re using a supported graphics-card and not one that only works in vesa mode. Make sure that Amithlon supports ide dma on your motherboard. Install all the patches and the x86 memcopy routines.
Don`t claim the sky is green unless you have proof that isn`t just down to {bleep}-error.
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you are a novel like rdolores
and some times I use that bad words cause novel ppl make confusion,write idiots things and spread lies
Lol, you wouldn't understand truth, even if it hitted you hard...
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Amithlon is much faster than WinUAE (any version).
I try many programs on both, and Amithlon win in every point.
WinUAE is nice with cutom chipset support, but Amithlon is much faster.
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@Laser
WinUAE is for sure not faster than Amithlon. And all those benchmarking is {bleep} under WinUAE because the speed of WinUAE emulation is very randomized. For example: I started WINUAE 3 weeks ago, checked Scout and it said "CPU: 67MHZ, FPU 754MHZ" only some hours later the program said "CPU: 25MHZ, FPU: 200MHZ" so it´s mainly random or from another point of view very scalable.
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Anyone got a comparison between Winuae and E-uae under Aros??
Would give an idea of the sort of overhaeds that Windows has?
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Homer wrote:
Laser:
"don't be stupid, here are your stupid errors:,bye little boy ".
Troll Alert. Moderator action required.
this could be a language issue.
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this could be a language issue.
He got an issue alright, but I don't think it got anything to do with language at all, rather with his tone and his attitude toward others.
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my www with some links to amithlon and aros!
x86 Amiga (http://x86amiga.awardspace.com/)
will add all the links in this thread and others that i can find!
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Forgive me my lack of knowledge, but why didn't they make a Cybergraphics driver for Amithlon ??? Several programs that use gfx card depend on Cybergraphics and not Picasso96 ... :-?
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Effy wrote:
Forgive me my lack of knowledge,
No chance !
but why didn't they make a Cybergraphics driver for Amithlon ???
Dunno, maybe cos Bernie had (better) contact withe the P96-team, or maybe code from the UAEGfx-driver could been reused ?
Several programs that use gfx card depend on Cybergraphics and not Picasso96 ... :-?
Care to name a few ?
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Kronos wrote:
Effy wrote:
but why didn't they make a Cybergraphics driver for Amithlon ???
Dunno, maybe cos Bernie had (better) contact withe the P96-team, or maybe code from the UAEGfx-driver could been reused ?
I believe Harald handled the contact with third parties initially, and yes, I suspect the UAEGfx-driver was used as a starting point during development.
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bhoggett wrote:
I believe Harald handled the contact with third parties initially, and yes, I suspect the UAEGfx-driver was used as a starting point during development.[/quote]
UAE-Linux started with P96 active when I just copied the Amithlon-Install into it's folder, so yes they must be rather close relatives.
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mihcael thanks for the page! good work so far let us know if you update!
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Does anyone of you know where to get AMITHLON from, beside of EMULE or other P2P?
Or maybe someone could send me an Email with the file. To get my Email address PM me.
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you can't but it.... Nobody can sell it to you it against the law.....
very lenghty very messy totaly boring story of how H&P and amiga inc messed things up one more time..... :pissed:
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Oh man, I begin to hate this copyright law garbage.
Why can´t the whole world just be like China.
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Blinx123 wrote:
Oh man, I begin to hate this copyright law garbage.
Why can´t the whole world just be like China.
You meam random executions, air as thick you can cut it with a knife and a 50ct/h job ?
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Kronos wrote:
Blinx123 wrote:
Oh man, I begin to hate this copyright law garbage.
Why can´t the whole world just be like China.
You meam random executions, air as thick you can cut it with a knife and a 50ct/h job ?
This is different from LA how exactly? ;-)
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No, actualy I mean "legal piracy".
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With a little bit of work, Amithlon can support a lot of features. These are what I've tested so far:
Audio Support via AHI - SB128, SBLive, AC97
Graphics Support via P96 - NVidia TNT2, etc... with graphics up to 1280x1024 in 32bit color accelerated
NIC - Intel Pro 10/100, RT8139, 3Com905, NE2000, etc... running up to 100 MBPS
Serial Port - USR 56K Modem
Genesis TCP - AWeb browsing, AmiFTP, SAMBA, TCPIP Printing
Emulation - E-UAE (WB1.3), ShapeShifter (MacOS 7.5.5)
My upcoming projects include:
MIDI via Serial Port - for Bars and Pipes, and Deluxe Music 2 to MIDI Keyboards
USB Support via ArakAttack Poseidon - Thumb drives, Digial Camera
TV Card - AmithlonTV, ValiantVision
PC Joystick - NewLowLevel
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Nice site Mihcael. I also will be trying to set up an Amithlon support site in the near future. Here's a couple other links:
http://www.birrabrothers.com/tiger/data/amithlon/index.htm
It's incomplete, but it has a nic how-to for setting NIC's.
http://www.geit.de/
Guido Mersmann's site. It includes ValiantVision TV-Card support for Amithlon. He's on AmithlonOpen too.
mihcael wrote:
my www with some links to amithlon and aros!
x86 Amiga (http://x86amiga.awardspace.com/)
will add all the links in this thread and others that i can find!
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Thanks rdolores!
Both added!
I did see the geit.de link but wasn't sure how relevant it was!
I'll trust your judgement! :-)
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LAst night I dug out my old Amithlon CD.
Out of curiosity i tried it on my ASUS K8N-VM Mobo with Athlon 64 3200+, nForce 4 chipset and PCI-Express Geforce.
To my pleasant surprise the CD booted perfectly into Workbench.
nVidia certainly know how to get backwards compatibility right! :-D
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If you can boot up to the Workbench screen, with the Amithlon CD, you have an excellent chance of installing it.
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more links added,
x86 Amiga - Amithlon / AROS (http://x86amiga.awardspace.com/)
a few sites with some benchmarks for amithlon and a bunch more AROS links too!
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here some benchmark within Amithlon, AmigaOne and Pegasos 1 and 2.
http://xoomer.alice.it/tuxcam/bench/result.html
or to make same test:
http://xoomer.alice.it/tuxcam/bench/
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LAst night I dug out my old Amithlon CD.
Out of curiosity i tried it on my ASUS K8N-VM Mobo with Athlon 64 3200+, nForce 4 chipset and PCI-Express Geforce.
To my pleasant surprise the CD booted perfectly into Workbench.
nVidia certainly know how to get backwards compatibility right
Yes, it booted, but no pci-x is supported for now and you cannot change your resolution...and color
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I have it but forgot why... It didnt work right on my first setup..dont know if it works w/the new one..
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Yes, it booted, but no pci-x is supported for now and you cannot change your resolution...and color
PCI-X is fully supported by Amithlon, even using the original kernel. It's PCI Express that isn't supported - or, to be more accurate, most of the chips used on PCI-E graphics cards are not yet supported by the kernel video drivers.
If you get a PCI-E card that has a chipset that's already supported via AGP (like the GeForce FX series) it will probably work fine. I can't guarantee that, however, because the machines I do kernel development work on are all AGP. I don't actually own a single PCI-E card, hence no official support in the drivers till I can get hold of one and a suitable board to plug it into.
I hope to get this sorted soon, because with the next kernel bringing in support for SATA, GigE and most types of on-board audio, PCI-E is starting to look like the main problem in Amithlon's hardware support.
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Softhut has it
SyperHawk
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Thanks Seiya!
Cool stuff!
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Updated Amithlon Kernel!
http://www.garycvl.f2s.com/amithlon.html
* Support for more GeForce FX models (ie, 5700, 5100, etc)
* Support for GeForce PCX PCI-Express cards.
* General bugfixes to the GeForce and Radeon drivers.
* SATA support (yay!) for VIA 8237 and NVidia NForce 3/4 chipsets.
* Gigabit ethernet via the VIA 6120 & 6122 Velocity chips.
* Ethernet driver for NForce 3/4 chipsets.
* Support for more AC97 audio codecs.
+more....
The most up-to-date hardware support for amiga????
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When is someone *really* going to make a supportsite for Amithlon? It's all scattered: the new kernel, good work ... but where do you find info as a newbie how to use it? Anyway I came to the point where Amithlon booted fine from my HD ( and it still does ) but when I tried to swap the kernel on my bootpartition (C:) with the new one ... no boot. So i swapped it back to the old one .
Then I tried to get the USB working and via the OPENpciwebsite I downloaden arrackattack and poseidon... Poseidon always asks for powerpci.library 2.14+. Ofcours The VMC website does not provide this files anymore and somewhere else I read that poseidon should use openpci.library wich it obviously does not while I do have it installed and downloaded poseidon via the openpci website.
To make a long story short, it needs a good website , a real one and not some mailgroup ofcours.
Some people interested in a joint-effort?Something like OS4-depot? Amithlon-depot?
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Hi !
I've started a wiki about Amithlon, called wikithlon, and available here http://amithlon.free.fr. I've uploaded it some hours ago so there's not many thing on it, i'm currently writing some articles on how to customize the cd (how to replace isolinux by grub, how to modify the initial ramdisk file, and more). I've collected many files here http://amithlon.free.fr/files too.
Actually it's all in french, but after reading this thread, i think it may be a good thing to make it international. So i'll probably change the wiki engine by a better one (wikipedia should be fine). Current design has been made quickly, works under ibrowse/aweb, but i think it should be good to change it too.
Contact me, if you're interested or if you have some ideas :)
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best is to start to make it international I think ? Ce n'est pas parceque je ne comprends pas du Francais... but it doesn't really help the worldwide Amithlonusers I think. An extensive compatibilitylist that can be updated with model,make,... maybe?
And a petition to revive it :cry: . By now most people involved should be cooled down and maybe an agreement can be made? Or it can be sold or I do not know what ?
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I think Bernie Meyer is still bitter about the whole thing to this day (rightly so I guess). Bernie?
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Frags wrote:
I think Bernie Meyer is still bitter about the whole thing to this day (rightly so I guess). Bernie?
actually, I suspect he has simply moved on. it's healthier
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I can believe that, but you can always fall in love again with an old girlfriend ;-) but maybe he can pass it on to someone else ? Or can the Amithlon source be opened ? I don't know, for that and many other reasons a new website should be started. Especially to collect all the information in one place... These days you have to seek for everything and if it goes on like this it's going to be lost forever on the net. Try to find a non-broken link for powerpci.library 2.14+ , my poseidonstack wants it.
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If a new website should be started, it'll be probably made by some amihlon lovers ... And i think a wiki is the best way to collect informations.
You can find powerpci-2.16 here : http://amithlon.free.fr/files/utilities/pci/
(sorry, my 2.14 version archives was broken :s)
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thnx for the file.
I am not familiar with Wiki, but if it can be used to collect all information about Amithlon so it gets preserved for the future it's fine by me.
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New amithlon Forum!
http://amithlon.free.fr/forum/index.php