Apollo Team announces the Vampire V4

[Iggy]

So far I only see you and psxphill acting that way.  You guys are an army of two.

Hmm, I don't always agree with kolla, but he and psxphill aren't the only two that Gunnar has rubbed the wrong way.
And as far as anger management goes, neither I myself nor you have been model examples of rational interaction.

But this could lead us back to my point about the eccentricities that seem inherent in our community.

A good friend of mine a few years back pointed out to me just what a high percentage a 'slightly off' personalities our community seems to attract. It made me, to say the least, a bit uncomfortable.

[wawrzon]

Hmm, I don't always agree with kolla, but he and psxphill aren't the only two that Gunnar has rubbed the wrong way.

could you explain how are you getting rubbed the right way, so that people dont make uneccessary mistakes in the near future?

[ferrellsl]

Hmm, I don't always agree with kolla, but he and psxphill aren't the only two that Gunnar has rubbed the wrong way.
And as far as anger management goes, neither I myself nor you have been model examples of rational interaction.

But this could lead us back to my point about the eccentricities that seem inherent in our community.

A good friend of mine a few years back pointed out to me just what a high percentage a 'slightly off' personalities our community seems to attract. It made me, to say the least, a bit uncomfortable.

Yeah, I probably fall into the category your friend described.  I've been called a lot of worse things than slightly off too!  LOL!

But the vitriol that was used by psxphill to describe Gunnar was more than just over the top and more than just "slightly off".  I doubt that Kolla and psxphill have even met Gunnar.  They can't be objective about anything Apollo or Vampire related because their emotions are in the way.  I certainly don't agree with psxphill when he says

He has always had a hatred for the FPU and MMU compatibility and the fan boys think he's the second coming because he added some opcodes that accelerate some software that doesn't exist yet.

There have been several new and notable pieces of software that take advantage of the 68080's new instruction set.  And a core FPU does exist and until the kinks get worked out with it we can use Jari's softFPU.  The ability to run Linux or BSD or whatever other OS you can come up with that requires an MMU was never within the scope of the Vampire project and all his b@tching about it won't change that fact.  If he want's so badly to run a *nix variant he should buy a $10 Pi board or one of its clones and stop posting misinformation and throwing childish tantrums at the same time.

Here are just a few of the new programs written to take advantage of the the 68080 and the new instruction set:

Video game "194x Deluxe"  takes advantage of the AMMX instruction set:  https://youtu.be/M0PJHxVN5Ok

Mapparium:  https://youtu.be/mgFx6HwsHjI

CPU resource monitor CPUMon080:  https://youtu.be/jO0_SkHogrI

Mystic Image Viewer:  https://youtu.be/hLR64W_8v_8

Riva Player with AMMX:  https://youtu.be/TClfDy2NzJM

So psxphill's comments about accelerating software that doesn't exist are patently false.

[Gulliver]

So psxphill's comments about accelerating software that doesn't exist are patently false.

So then 4 pieces of software is a lot!

Its the second coming...

[ferrellsl]

So then 4 pieces of software is a lot!

Its the second coming...

I'm surprised you can count that high. Well, actually you can't because it was 5 apps, not 4. That was just a sample of the new software that's out there for the Vampire. There's quite a bit more.  And you're obviously too lazy to even go and check out what's available at the Vampire forums so you should really just stop showing your ignorance now.  You're only embarrassing yourself, if that's even possible.

And yes, the five packages I listed ARE quite a lot when compared to what's been developed for NG Amigas in the past 10 years or so....and classics too.

[Iggy]

could you explain how are you getting rubbed the right way, so that people dont make uneccessary mistakes in the near future?

My first inclination, on being asked to describe being "rubbed the right way"...well, I thought to reference you to my ex-wife, but it seemed a bit crude. :hammer:

I think the first step might be some consideration of the other party's divergent point of view.

[ferrellsl]

My first inclination, on being asked to describe being "rubbed the right way"...well, I thought to reference you to my ex-wife, but it seemed a bit crude. :hammer:

I think the first step might be some consideration of the other party's divergent point of view.

I couldn't find an emoji to post that's blushing, but yeah, that was a good one!  LOL!

[Gulliver]

I'm surprised you can count that high. And actually it was 5 apps, not 4. That was just a sample of the new software that's out there for the Vampire. There's quite a bit more.  And you're obviously too lazy to even go and check out what's available at the Vampire forums so you should really just stop showing your ignorance now.  You're only embarrassing yourself, if that's even possible.

And yes, the five packages I listed ARE quite a lot when compared to what's been developed for NG Amigas in the past 10 years or so....and classics too.

So, you count as valid a 1 level demo of a game that hasnt been finished and is known to be that way since about 5 years.

If you havent noticed, there is a place called Aminet, that has seen quite a lot releases for the last 10 years for both Classics and NG. And then you have OS4Depot and the MOS repository, and besides that, there is more stuff that is only released on many developers personal webpages.

But hey, you are right, 4 is a lot!

[ferrellsl]

So, you count as valid a 1 level demo of a game that hasnt been finished and is known to be that way since about 5 years.

If you havent noticed, there is a place called Aminet, that has seen quite a lot releases for the last 10 years for both Classics and NG. And then you have OS4Depot and the MOS repository, and besides that, there is more stuff that is only released on many developers personal webpages.

But hey, you are right, 4 is a lot!

Don't know where you're getting your info, but the 194x Deluxe game demo using AMMX was only shown 4 months ago.  It may have been based on the earlier non-Deluxe game but AMMX has only been out for about a year or less, so no, this AMMX game hasn't been a 5 year effort and it looks and plays significantly better than the non-Deluxe version you must be confusing it with.  This is the Deluxe version with AMMX:  https://youtu.be/M0PJHxVN5Ok

This is the non-Deluxe 68K SDL version you're referring to: https://youtu.be/Cnrr_lROyTo

I'm quite familiar with those repositories as well as with Aminet.  I even uploaded a newer version of the PLPLOT programmers library to Aminet a few weeks back for classic systems after a few tough days of coding.  See:  http://aminet.net/package/gfx/show/plplot68k-5.0.1  Have you done any coding lately or have all your efforts been restricted to the snide remarks dept?

Took me several days to rework the code and get it compiling on a real Amiga after a 24 year hiatus from Amiga development.  My point is that there is nothing new or exciting about PPC or OS4.  They are both dead ends and the Vampire is the most exciting thing to happen for classic enthusiasts in years.  I wouldn't have undertaken a project like PLPLOT had it not been for the Vampire.  OS4 is still stuck in 2003 and that won't change anytime soon if at all.  My latest endeavors require a 64-bit address space which takes OS4 out of the mix immediately.  So my future efforts will focus on AROS SMP x86_64 and the Vampire for any classic development.  I don't think Hyperion and A-EON can pull off a 64-bit version of OS4, maybe I'm wrong but how long have they been promising SMP and an office suite among other things?

[Iggy]

...this AMMX game hasn't been a 5 year effort and it looks and plays significantly better than the non-Deluxe version you must be confusing it with.  This is the Deluxe version:  https://youtu.be/M0PJHxVN5Ok

Cool, I haven't seen that before, thanks.
It shows how these non-standard instructions can be implemented in existing software for a clear benefit.

Great way to illustrate the point.

And, by way of explanation, this is the kind of stuff that keep me in Gunnar's corner no matter how he rubs it.
You have to respect good work.

[Gulliver]

So it is still a game demo that hasnt been finished.

I do code for the Amiga. But that doesnt make me or anyone else a better person, nor makes any arguments more right.

I dont care much about OS4, but where you are wrong is that the OS4 community, which I dont belong/identify with, has certainly released tons of stuff for their platform and some of it is interesting. And it is certainly more than 4 recompiled packages.

It is good that you are excited after 24 years, but it seems your passion is clouding your judgement.
Anyway it is your life, you seem to be a grown up man, and your entitled to believe in the second coming as you wish to.

[Iggy]

...Anyway it is your life, you seem to be a grown up man, and your entitled to believe in the second coming as you wish to.

Actually...he's an IT professional, and Amiga (as it would be for any sane person) is just a hobby.

No one is expecting anything like a 'second coming' for the Amiga.
Really, these personal preferences are solely about what we want for ourselves, not about practicality or market potential.

[ferrellsl]

So it is still a game demo that hasnt been finished.

I do code for the Amiga. But that doesnt make me or anyone else a better person, nor makes any arguments more right.

I dont care much about OS4, but where you are wrong is that the OS4 community, which I dont belong/identify with, has certainly released tons of stuff for their platform and some of it is interesting. And it is certainly more than 4 recompiled packages.

It is good that you are excited after 24 years, but it seems your passion is clouding your judgement.
Anyway it is your life, you seem to be a grown up man, and your entitled to believe in the second coming as you wish to.

You're still having problems with math.  I listed 5 of several applications that take advantage of the 68080 and AMMX instructions and CPUMon080 is not a recompile.  It is a new application and there are more.

See:  http://www.apollo-core.com/knowledge.php?b=4¬e=3044

But you stick to your false narrative since you can't count and can't deal with facts if that is what keeps your fragile ego intact.

And you're the one with the fixation on religion as you continue to speak of Jesus and a second coming.  You and psxphill must attend the same church.

[Gulliver]

But, you are the "Cult Member"

I have no ego issues. I didnt need to belittle your arguments by separating coders from non coders. I am sorry colleague

[ferrellsl]

But, you are the "Cult Member"

I have no ego issues. I didnt need to belittle your arguments by separating coders from non coders. I am sorry colleague

I'm not going to waste any more time on you.  You're obviously not equipped to do anything beyond name-calling and snide remarks.

[Gulliver]

There is no name calling nor bad wishes against you.
It is just a dissagreement between two people, nothing serious. Live with it.
I think you missinterpret my postings.
Anyway I wish you well.