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Re: New A-EON Music Card for Classic Amigas
« Reply #344 from previous page: March 30, 2016, 02:38:20 PM »
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If your CPU is fast enough you dont have to buy it because your CPU is too slow. Offloading decoding can be still good idea if you need saved capacity for something but advantage of CPU bound decoding is that you can use existing players.

In AmiNetRadio we never supported MASPlayer (similar to this one but it was just simple MP3 player) because it was not possible control output from application or use visualizers. Neither it is possible wrap this hardware to mpega.library because mpega.library is only for decoding while MAS Player and A-eon music card does both decoding and playing and reading back decoded audio data would be too slow. Both have advantages and disadvantages, Amiga audio output is limited to 8-bit only (or 14-bit, but that is sort of hack), while music cards use modern codecs.

Its one of the reasons why I might find the card enticing even if I get Vampire. Every drop of added performance/offloading from CPU is a good thing.

With regards to not announcing available hardware that is still being worked on software side;
Again, take Vampire. People recive their cards, and programs crash/doesnt work, until a later core update or tweaks done to programs. The difference is that Apollo-Team got a IRC channel where they (and people in general with depth of knowledge) hang out answering questions when they have time.
That way people clearly understand and accept the limitations of the product in its current state.
In addition people keep asking for additional features, which like on forums, sometimes spins off into unrealistic dreams. Other users or developers bring those people back to earth quickly.

Imho this approach defuses the "tension" that comes from waiting for any bit of information about x product.

I realise Apollo-Teams approach to information is kind of unortodox and unsusually open.
But it seems to work :)

Btw, will the Card work on A600 with 604n that got 2 clockports (and eventually a Vampire)?
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Re: New A-EON Music Card for Classic Amigas
« Reply #345 on: March 30, 2016, 07:24:54 PM »
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I said we need everything sorted before announcing anything (or very close to sorting). This is generally the approach adopted now, theres lots of stuff being worked on that isn't announced.


and yet you announce warp3d nova that looks as close to completion now as prisma megarmix at its time. juat a small bit away. the question is why that kind of bits is such an issue in your case.
 

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Re: New A-EON Music Card for Classic Amigas
« Reply #346 on: March 30, 2016, 07:38:14 PM »
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I realise Apollo-Teams approach to information is kind of unortodox and unsusually open.


its not unusually open. and they had to learn their lesson as well, even though nothing natami/vampire/apollo people did in terms of communication was ever close to the degree of secrecy and failed announcements we experienced with the companies related primarly to os4. what concerns amiga projects be it hardware or software there is another sort of tradition, being open, and i mean more open than what you actually mention. just to name aros, projects where strim is involved (030 decelerator, net-bsd and the ppc accelerator for pci bus expansion), hd-rec, pfs3, gba1000 and so on.. just to name a few out of the top of my head.

to be fair, it isnt considerably difficult to imagine the model of communication apollo tam is involving.
 

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Re: New A-EON Music Card for Classic Amigas
« Reply #347 on: March 31, 2016, 08:11:41 AM »
I love the weekly changelog summaries from AROS, it really shows how the project is progressing, and is useful in that we can tell when certain reported issues are solved.
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Re: New A-EON Music Card for Classic Amigas
« Reply #348 on: March 31, 2016, 08:56:10 AM »
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and yet you announce warp3d nova that looks as close to completion now as prisma megarmix at its time. juat a small bit away. the question is why that kind of bits is such an issue in your case.


Fedup of Harware being released with no or unfinished drivers. Spose you could blame me for the hardware not being on sale yet, as I would rather the whole package, ready to use.

I know exactly what will happen if we released with a basic beta driver. People would complain.

Nova is completely different, why you mention that is beyond me.

@Thread, any chance we can actually try and stick to topic. I have seen 3 threads dragged way of topic and it seems to be same people over and over.
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Re: New A-EON Music Card for Classic Amigas
« Reply #349 on: March 31, 2016, 11:58:23 AM »
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Thats fair enough, wanting to be 100% ready with supporting software.

My question was at the end of my last post so I guess it vanished in the "noise";

Will the Card work on A600 with 604n that got 2 clockports (and eventually a Vampire)?
I guess the Vampire addition is a open question unless you have a Vampire to test with.
 

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Re: New A-EON Music Card for Classic Amigas
« Reply #350 on: March 31, 2016, 12:03:14 PM »
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@F0LLETT

Thats fair enough, wanting to be 100% ready with supporting software.

My question was at the end of my last post so I guess it vanished in the "noise";

Will the Card work on A600 with 604n that got 2 clockports (and eventually a Vampire)?
I guess the Vampire addition is a open question unless you have a Vampire to test with.


I can't see why not, something to test.
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Re: New A-EON Music Card for Classic Amigas
« Reply #351 on: March 31, 2016, 12:03:57 PM »
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@F0LLETT

Thats fair enough, wanting to be 100% ready with supporting software.

My question was at the end of my last post so I guess it vanished in the "noise";

Will the Card work on A600 with 604n that got 2 clockports (and eventually a Vampire)?
I guess the Vampire addition is a open question unless you have a Vampire to test with.

the question is would it make sense to combine with Vampire?

how is it integrated? Does it operate independently or does it block execution of program until done? If it blocks program and is slower than the "processor" on Vampire FPGA it could slow the system. Perhaps someone could explain how it is (or is planned to) be integrated and how software would access it. If processor is slower for that task than the card then of course it always makes sense.
 

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Re: New A-EON Music Card for Classic Amigas
« Reply #352 on: March 31, 2016, 12:59:47 PM »
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the question is would it make sense to combine with Vampire?

how is it integrated? Does it operate independently or does it block execution of program until done? If it blocks program and is slower than the "processor" on Vampire FPGA it could slow the system. Perhaps someone could explain how it is (or is planned to) be integrated and how software would access it. If processor is slower for that task than the card then of course it always makes sense.


Indeed thats the question, something itix adressed to a point above.

For example, if people use DosBox/PCTask or Macemulators, every drop of performance is nice to have available. Or other heavy processes, like movies, future games or demos where coders can use mp3s as part of the program without heavy impact on the system.

Intresting aspects that could make or break a purchase for some. I enjoy my MAS player, but if there are clear advantages with Prisma even after Vampire is part of the equation, then Ill probarly dish out for it.
 

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Re: New A-EON Music Card for Classic Amigas
« Reply #353 on: March 31, 2016, 04:34:55 PM »
Not as if everyone will have Vampire2... :rolleyes:
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Re: New A-EON Music Card for Classic Amigas
« Reply #354 on: March 31, 2016, 04:37:51 PM »
Anyhow, I used to have (maybe I still have) MAS player, but I don't think I ever used the software that came with it. Sometimes, just getting the hardware out the door along with some documentation is enough to have drivers materialize.
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Re: New A-EON Music Card for Classic Amigas
« Reply #355 on: March 31, 2016, 05:53:18 PM »
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the question is would it make sense to combine with Vampire?

how is it integrated? Does it operate independently or does it block execution of program until done? If it blocks program and is slower than the "processor" on Vampire FPGA it could slow the system. Perhaps someone could explain how it is (or is planned to) be integrated and how software would access it. If processor is slower for that task than the card then of course it always makes sense.



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Indeed thats the question, something itix adressed to a point above.

For example, if people use DosBox/PCTask or Macemulators, every drop of performance is nice to have available. Or other heavy processes, like movies, future games or demos where coders can use mp3s as part of the program without heavy impact on the system.

Intresting aspects that could make or break a purchase for some. I enjoy my MAS player, but if there are clear advantages with Prisma even after Vampire is part of the equation, then Ill probarly dish out for it.


It will multitask fine.
As I do not have a Vampire, I could not say.

I can't answer everything, as I have not had any time to play with card fully.
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Re: New A-EON Music Card for Classic Amigas
« Reply #356 on: March 31, 2016, 05:57:30 PM »
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I know exactly what will happen if we released with a basic beta driver. People would complain.


Amigans complain?
Heck, you know they are going to do that anyway. ;)
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Re: New A-EON Music Card for Classic Amigas
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Re: New A-EON Music Card for Classic Amigas
« Reply #358 on: September 12, 2016, 07:06:46 PM »
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*cough*

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Re: New A-EON Music Card for Classic Amigas
« Reply #359 on: September 12, 2016, 08:53:03 PM »
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