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Offline jj

Re: IMICA Atom becomes Aros fully native and celebrates in Silence
« Reply #75 on: May 24, 2010, 02:47:26 PM »
Might be getting confused between that and Dpaint.  been so long since I have used my miggy.
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Offline dreamcast270mhz

Re: IMICA Atom becomes Aros fully native and celebrates in Silence
« Reply #76 on: May 24, 2010, 02:56:08 PM »
For the final time, the IMICA is an overpriced machine, (I can make one for less than what they sell for) the way clusteruk worded his post was promoting it as the next Amiga. The reason AROS is wasting time is:

1. They are using linux as a base, then popping APIs on top of it, making a WB lookalike that is analogous to linux w/ WINE. They will never capture the Amiga experience as it is in MOS or AmigaOS.

2. They have made less progress than either OS4 or MOS in the same amount of time.

But I applaud their progress thus far, they are promising, but they before long will hit a wall.

In it all, I have discovered that no Amiga user needs an Intel, you just need a G4 Mac for MOS and OS X (for modern Apps), Classic Amigas for Classic AOS and a 360 for all the new video games, you get all the benefits of Intel, minus Intel, at the same cost or less.

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Offline kolla

Re: IMICA Atom becomes Aros fully native and celebrates in Silence
« Reply #77 on: May 24, 2010, 02:57:28 PM »
Oh, look - the clueless git is back! :banana:
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Offline clusteruk

Re: IMICA Atom becomes Aros fully native and celebrates in Silence
« Reply #78 on: May 24, 2010, 02:58:52 PM »
I just think that Aros is quickly becoming a viable platform for those that want to run an Amiga like operating system without breaking the bank.

All Amiga applications run through the janus emulation, and with coherance it appears more seamless being able to launch an application from the Aros file system 68k app icon and a more elegant solution is in the works with Emumiga
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Offline clusteruk

Re: IMICA Atom becomes Aros fully native and celebrates in Silence
« Reply #79 on: May 24, 2010, 03:05:15 PM »
@dreamcast270mhz

IMICA is not a true Amiga just like the latest PPC offerings are in no way a true Amiga for me. But they are all a step on the road to a true next generation Amiga. The X1000 is a good step on the road also, and too the Natami for me looks amazing and I am a fan.

But I am thinking ahead and to do this I need the basics in place. IMICA is a first step on a journey to something special I hope.

Oh yes, and we DO NOT sit on Linux.
« Last Edit: May 24, 2010, 03:09:26 PM by clusteruk »
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Re: IMICA Atom becomes Aros fully native and celebrates in Silence
« Reply #80 on: May 24, 2010, 03:14:39 PM »
Just in case anyone else is having dificulty; AROS has NOTHING to do with Linux... You can run AROS on top of Linux to aid debugging and development.

But AROS has nothing to do with Linux, it is an Operating sytem in its own right. Is everyone clear about that now? :-?

Offline dammy

Re: IMICA Atom becomes Aros fully native and celebrates in Silence
« Reply #81 on: May 24, 2010, 03:48:36 PM »
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1. They are using linux as a base, then popping APIs on top of it, making a WB lookalike that is analogous to linux w/ WINE. They will never capture the Amiga experience as it is in MOS or AmigaOS.

That was the old Anubis-OS project, not AROS.
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Offline jj

Re: IMICA Atom becomes Aros fully native and celebrates in Silence
« Reply #82 on: May 24, 2010, 04:08:30 PM »
Quote from: dreamcast270mhz;560604
For the final time, the IMICA is an overpriced machine, (I can make one for less than what they sell for) the way clusteruk worded his post was promoting it as the next Amiga. The reason AROS is wasting time is:
 
1. They are using linux as a base, then popping APIs on top of it, making a WB lookalike that is analogous to linux w/ WINE. They will never capture the Amiga experience as it is in MOS or AmigaOS.
 
2. They have made less progress than either OS4 or MOS in the same amount of time.
 
But I applaud their progress thus far, they are promising, but they before long will hit a wall.
 
In it all, I have discovered that no Amiga user needs an Intel, you just need a G4 Mac for MOS and OS X (for modern Apps), Classic Amigas for Classic AOS and a 360 for all the new video games, you get all the benefits of Intel, minus Intel, at the same cost or less.
 
@leander
 
Ha, the applaud was funny I admit, but really, Kolla needs to learn that throwing around curses will only piss people off, sadly, he is just like Lennie.

Sorry I would never normally go for what be classes as personal attack, but.   If you are going to post please check your facts first.  Otherwise just makes you look like the cock that I suspect you are.
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Offline itix

Re: IMICA Atom becomes Aros fully native and celebrates in Silence
« Reply #83 on: May 24, 2010, 04:13:41 PM »
I tried DPaint V on MorphOS long ago and it ran just fine. Old versions wont run.
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Offline Fats

Re: IMICA Atom becomes Aros fully native and celebrates in Silence
« Reply #84 on: May 24, 2010, 04:21:56 PM »
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Well the big problem AROS has is in the byte order (as you are probably aware), so this is the best option :)


Not only the byte order but also the size of certain C types and the packing of C structs. This makes the integration layer more involved than on PPC MorphOS and AOS4. Some people advocated to change the native i386 endianess like amithlon did but majority decided to not reduce the native x86 performance for better m68k software integration.
I am still sceptical that emumiga will always be able to guess the translation of C structs between the two worlds (m68k and x86/AMD64/...) without knowing it at emumiga compile time. But I have been proven wrong in the past.

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Offline Crumb

Re: IMICA Atom becomes Aros fully native and celebrates in Silence
« Reply #85 on: May 24, 2010, 05:03:09 PM »
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All Amiga applications run through the janus emulation, and with coherance it appears more seamless being able to launch an application from the Aros file system 68k app icon and a more elegant solution is in the works with Emumiga


Emu Amiga looks interesting. I wonder how complex applications that use 3rd party libraries and MCCs will perform.
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Offline clusteruk

Re: IMICA Atom becomes Aros fully native and celebrates in Silence
« Reply #86 on: May 24, 2010, 05:16:07 PM »
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Emu Amiga looks interesting. I wonder how complex applications that use 3rd party libraries and MCCs will perform.


Time will tell, but this will be a while in the making. However, Moggen is about to open the source so others can help once the fundamentals are in place.
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Offline Crumb

Re: IMICA Atom becomes Aros fully native and celebrates in Silence
« Reply #87 on: May 24, 2010, 05:33:45 PM »
@clusteruk

perhaps there's some way to "automate" the process for identical functions/structs making some auto-code generation reading OS3 and AROS includes and OS3 FD files.

It may be a wise idea that they left the structs&function offsets in separate files so the user can add later new libraries support without recompiling.
« Last Edit: May 24, 2010, 05:37:13 PM by Crumb »
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Re: IMICA Atom becomes Aros fully native and celebrates in Silence
« Reply #88 on: May 24, 2010, 05:48:20 PM »
wait, so how the hell is Morph OS "amiga" when AROS isn't ?
 

Offline Karlos

Re: IMICA Atom becomes Aros fully native and celebrates in Silence
« Reply #89 on: May 24, 2010, 06:41:51 PM »
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I tried DPaint V on MorphOS long ago and it ran just fine. Old versions wont run.


Have you tried DPaint IV? It works in OS3.x (I'm sure I got 256 color RTG modes working before but don't quote me) and hence OS4. I would be surprised if it didn't work in MOS.
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