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Offline kolla

Re: IMICA Atom becomes Aros fully native and celebrates in Silence
« Reply #60 on: May 24, 2010, 01:10:52 PM »
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Now MOS used a fair amount of AROS code in it's initial release.


Would be nice if it could be more the other way around as well, and I don't mean Ambient. For example I think that a common shell/CLI would benefit everyone, so that simple scripts work alike across the different systems. AROS is lacking alot in its shell, and what is the point in duplicating the effort, and eventually end up with something that is almost the same, but with slightly different behaviour?

And no, I don't mean the console handler :hammer:
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Re: IMICA Atom becomes Aros fully native and celebrates in Silence
« Reply #61 on: May 24, 2010, 01:16:36 PM »
Quote from: kolla;560560
Would be nice if it could be more the other way around as well, and I don't mean Ambient. For example I think that a common shell/CLI would benefit everyone, so that simple scripts work alike across the different systems. AROS is lacking alot in its shell, and what is the point in duplicating the effort, and eventually end up with something that is almost the same, but with slightly different behaviour?

And no, I don't mean the console handler :hammer:
To be fair the MOS team returned a lot of bug fixed code, the process has been very beneficial for both AROS and MOS

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Re: IMICA Atom becomes Aros fully native and celebrates in Silence
« Reply #62 on: May 24, 2010, 01:27:54 PM »
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To be fair the MOS team returned a lot of bug fixed code, the process has been very beneficial for both AROS and MOS


Yes, ofcourse. But that was code originating from AROS that was brought to MorphOS and in the process bug fixed, and fixes submitted back to AROS. Are there examples of code originating from MorphOS being brought to AROS?
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Re: IMICA Atom becomes Aros fully native and celebrates in Silence
« Reply #63 on: May 24, 2010, 01:47:49 PM »
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I do understand your concern for your favorite camp, AROS does make it harder for them to pitch very expensive hardware.  Vs buying fairly cheap hardware that does more for the bang:buck ratio with portables on the way.  Then the issue if Commodore USA ever clears up the trademark issue with the C= trademark owners, selling x86 gear running AROS with C= logo will make it known to the larger market place.  Natami ever sees the light of day and runs AROS on it, it'll be even harder to sell 1500+ Euro PPC systems.



Actually I don't have any preference re: AROS v Efika V Morphos v SAM v OS 4.  AmigaOS 3.x (3.1 at that) is more than adequate for my needs running on my classic A4000 68060, running my original classic hardware.  And judging from what people are willing to pay for classic hardware I'd thats the situation with many others still using anything Amiga.
 

Offline clusteruk

Re: IMICA Atom becomes Aros fully native and celebrates in Silence
« Reply #64 on: May 24, 2010, 01:48:13 PM »
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Yes, ofcourse. But that was code originating from AROS that was brought to MorphOS and in the process bug fixed, and fixes submitted back to AROS. Are there examples of code originating from MorphOS being brought to AROS?


Now that would be appreciated, and I accept your points on the shell. It works ok but needs some love.
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Re: IMICA Atom becomes Aros fully native and celebrates in Silence
« Reply #65 on: May 24, 2010, 01:50:17 PM »
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Well, that's weird, seeing as I was able to compile some of my old amigaos specific code for AROS. That doesn't require an OS "in the spirit" of Amiga, it requires an OS that provides amiga compatible APIs. Do you understand the meaning of "re-implemented" in this context?



OK when you recompile Dpaint, Scala, Brillliance, Lightwave, Cinema 4d, Wordworth 7 for AROS, let me know and I'll jump on board.
 

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Re: IMICA Atom becomes Aros fully native and celebrates in Silence
« Reply #66 on: May 24, 2010, 02:09:14 PM »
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OK when you recompile Dpaint, Scala, Brillliance, Lightwave, Cinema 4d, Wordworth 7 for AROS, let me know and I'll jump on board.
Please read up about this stuff, these are exactly the programs that AROS can run using the Janus emulation, and in the cause of non harwear hitting apps, like Lightwave, then the Emu that Steve has just pointed to :)

Offline jj

Re: IMICA Atom becomes Aros fully native and celebrates in Silence
« Reply #67 on: May 24, 2010, 02:14:16 PM »
Do not feed the trolls :)
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Offline clusteruk

Re: IMICA Atom becomes Aros fully native and celebrates in Silence
« Reply #68 on: May 24, 2010, 02:24:48 PM »
Quote from: stefcep2;560575
OK when you recompile Dpaint, Scala, Brillliance, Lightwave, Cinema 4d, Wordworth 7 for AROS, let me know and I'll jump on board.


You have a reasonable point here, at the moment Aros cannot just launch all Amiga apps and run them seamlessly. Either they go through JanusUAE and coherance mode that will run the application through emulation or if system friendly apps then the Emumiga will one day be able to run them seamlessly.

However, I believe the same is true with AmigaOS and MorphOS, however, there 68k emulation and integration layer is way more advanced than in Aros. So most applications can be run through the integration layer which is very impressive but in all fairness I believe it is easier with a PPC, I could be wrong. I will say that both AmigaOS and MorphOS also have to resort to UAE just less often.

However, one day in the not too distant future Aros will be at the same point as the other two fine OS's. I hope when that day comes you will join us as a user.
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Re: IMICA Atom becomes Aros fully native and celebrates in Silence
« Reply #69 on: May 24, 2010, 02:27:18 PM »
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OK when you recompile Dpaint, Scala, Brillliance, Lightwave, Cinema 4d, Wordworth 7 for AROS, let me know and I'll jump on board.

With all due respect, if you could get the source code for these applications I would be surprised if you could recompile them on AmigaOS4 or MorphOS. I may be wrong but I truly doubt it.
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Offline stefcep2

Re: IMICA Atom becomes Aros fully native and celebrates in Silence
« Reply #70 on: May 24, 2010, 02:31:09 PM »
Quote from: bloodline;560581
Please read up about this stuff, these are exactly the programs that AROS can run using the Janus emulation, and in the cause of non harwear hitting apps, like Lightwave, then the Emu that Steve has just pointed to :)


So can Winuae.  Its just emulation. Lightwave hits the hardware,as do DPaint, Brilliance and Scala.
 

Offline jj

Re: IMICA Atom becomes Aros fully native and celebrates in Silence
« Reply #71 on: May 24, 2010, 02:32:59 PM »
If dpaint hits the hardware how does it work through RTG  ?
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Offline clusteruk

Re: IMICA Atom becomes Aros fully native and celebrates in Silence
« Reply #72 on: May 24, 2010, 02:37:59 PM »
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If dpaint hits the hardware how does it work through RTG  ?


Interesting, I never managed to get DPaint to run with an RTG mode, always went belly up if you select one.
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Re: IMICA Atom becomes Aros fully native and celebrates in Silence
« Reply #73 on: May 24, 2010, 02:39:28 PM »
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If dpaint hits the hardware how does it work through RTG  ?


It works badly.

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Re: IMICA Atom becomes Aros fully native and celebrates in Silence
« Reply #74 on: May 24, 2010, 02:40:01 PM »
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Interesting, I never managed to get DPaint to run with an RTG mode, always went belly up if you select one.


exactly.