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Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
« Reply #59 on: April 15, 2010, 02:51:21 PM »
The website looks perfect on my Pre.
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Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
« Reply #60 on: April 15, 2010, 03:03:19 PM »
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Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
« Reply #61 on: April 15, 2010, 04:03:43 PM »
Glad to finally see a real website from a-eon and i'm sure this machine will be very expensive but I'd be happy with the specs.  Sadly nobody really NEEDS an Amiga today so I don't know why some ppl are pissed at these specs.    

If I buy one it will be like buying a pool or a second car, just an extra but not a life essential.  

Don't judge them by the website, mine was shitty but my business was doing great :)
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Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
« Reply #62 on: April 15, 2010, 04:11:03 PM »
For some of us it's disappointment.  I pretty much left Amiga in the '90s and returned to my old toys a few years ago.  I had gotten into Amiga in '85 because it was so far ahead of the pack.  I could do wonderful things with it.  I guess what I wanted was a modern version of that, something that would be ahead of the pack with new fresh ideas, not some slightly modernised parody of the past.  

There's nothing new here, nothing fresh, that to me was more Amiga than some clunky interface.  Amiga to me was an idea, simple computing with powerful hardware pushed to the max and beyond.  But it was also affordable.  Bang (darn you Cammy, I can't even use this metaphor without laughing) for the buck.  My 3000 was half the price of an equivalent Mac.  

Anyway, I'm move on eventually, the dream isn't going to happen, and I'll come to accept that eventually.  The website helps, it's ancient feel helps put Amiga back into history now.

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« Reply #63 on: April 15, 2010, 04:23:07 PM »
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Glad to finally see a real website from a-eon and i'm sure this machine will be very expensive but I'd be happy with the specs.  Sadly nobody really NEEDS an Amiga today so I don't know why some ppl are pissed at these specs.
The specs are OK, but as long as the OS is not able to make good use of the hardware, it's all rather pointless. To call it high-end is wrong, there are far more powerfull powerpc systems around, it's a low/mid-end powerpc box in a huge casing.
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Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
« Reply #64 on: April 15, 2010, 04:34:57 PM »
@persia

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« Reply #65 on: April 15, 2010, 05:30:54 PM »
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Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
« Reply #66 on: April 15, 2010, 05:35:46 PM »
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What do either have to do with A-Eon?

Apparently they do.

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Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
« Reply #67 on: April 15, 2010, 05:39:30 PM »
That's not a monkey, it's actually an Amiga user! That's what we look like now!
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Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
« Reply #68 on: April 15, 2010, 05:56:23 PM »
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For some of us it's disappointment. I pretty much left Amiga in the '90s and returned to my old toys a few years ago. I had gotten into Amiga in '85 because it was so far ahead of the pack. I could do wonderful things with it. I guess what I wanted was a modern version of that, something that would be ahead of the pack with new fresh ideas, not some slightly modernised parody of the past.

There's nothing new here, nothing fresh, that to me was more Amiga than some clunky interface. Amiga to me was an idea, simple computing with powerful hardware pushed to the max and beyond. But it was also affordable. Bang (darn you Cammy, I can't even use this metaphor without laughing) for the buck. My 3000 was half the price of an equivalent Mac.

Anyway, I'm move on eventually, the dream isn't going to happen, and I'll come to accept that eventually. The website helps, it's ancient feel helps put Amiga back into history now.

It's not going to happen today the way it happened back then.  Back then the PC market was relatively small, with lots of room for profit margin and lots of room for innovation.  Today the innovation is in form factor and presentation/software (witness the deserved success of the iPhone and probably the iPad), and the profit margin is slim.
 
The best anyone can do today with a desktop OS is carve out a niche (Linux).  Look at the still relatively low percentage of people running Macs - and that's after decades of competing with Windows!  Can a company just snap their fingers and create a mature OS competitive with Windows or the Mac?  No.  People want familiarity, compatibility and value.
 
If I made a widget that had vastly better processing power, graphics, sound, etc., would I build a new computer platform around it?  No - I'd sell it to Intell/AMD/nVidia!  Why sell 5,000 Amigas when I can sell 10,000,000 PC peripherals?
 
The only thing hot today, other than Apple products, is 3D.  Figure out how to use that to sell your widget and you might have a market - but as a Windows PC peripheral, not as a new computing platform.
 
Why would anyone in their right mind, except for fanboys or for nostalgia, buy an X1000?  There's really no reason at all without a killer app.  And if I were writing a "killer app", I'd write it for Windows!
 

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Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
« Reply #69 on: April 15, 2010, 06:20:04 PM »
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Why would anyone in their right mind, except for fanboys or for nostalgia, buy an X1000?  There's really no reason at all without a killer app.  And if I were writing a "killer app", I'd write it for Windows!


You don't need 3D. Write a cool application to handle your movie/music collection and sell it as HTPC. Or make a wii fit board for it.
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Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
« Reply #70 on: April 15, 2010, 06:31:07 PM »
HTPCs aren't hot.  I love 'em, my whole house is filled with them, but I'm in the minority.  The potential market is incredibly small for a $800+++ HTPC when people can simply rent an HD-capable PVR that has the features they want for $10-$15/month.  Or better still, buy an Xbox 360 or PS3 for $300 or less.
 
I'm not sure what it's like in Australia, but here in the US building a usable HTPC isn't easy.  Playback of Blu-Ray within a single, reliable, attractive user interface is tough.  Same with encrypted digital TV.  It's taken Microsoft years to finally get CableLabs to open up cable card to all Media Center users.  Microsoft still doesn't have Blu-Ray playback within Media Center.
 
How could an Amiga-product pull it off, and why would they want to even try with such a small market?
 
But sure.  Build a slick HTPC for $300-$400 that does everything cleanly and reliably, and maybe you'll sell 10,000.
 

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« Reply #71 on: April 15, 2010, 06:41:02 PM »
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You don't need 3D. Write a cool application to handle your movie/music collection and sell it as HTPC. Or make a wii fit board for it.


Sell it to who? The handful of other X1000 owners? Might as well throw your money away.
 

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Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
« Reply #72 on: April 15, 2010, 08:16:11 PM »
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« Reply #73 on: April 15, 2010, 08:19:59 PM »
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Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
« Reply #74 from previous page: April 15, 2010, 08:56:42 PM »
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The specs are OK, but as long as the OS is not able to make good use of the hardware, it's all rather pointless. To call it high-end is wrong, there are far more powerfull powerpc systems around, it's a low/mid-end powerpc box in a huge casing.


It's "high end" in the same way the 060 is for a classic machine. There are much faster coldfire systems out there, but as they don't run AmigaOS, they aren't relevant when discussing what's high-end for an 68k based Amiga.

So, whilst it's true that there are more powerful PowerPC based systems available, a 1.8GHz PowerPC is still "high end" as far as OS4 compatibles go. After all, the fastest existing systems that can run OS4 are only about, what, 1.3GHz at most?

If it's "done right", this machine could be significantly faster by more than the difference in clockspeed from existing OS4 machines. A decent memory controller with DDR2 should help, as will SATA and PCIe expansion boards.
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