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Re: Amy'05 Pics by Troika
« Reply #14 on: September 16, 2006, 10:17:30 AM »
Am I the only one who's thinking the routing is a bit odd (90 degree traces, lots of vias at strange places, traces going to nowhere without a visible via (could be the picture though), visible second layer (instead of ground plane), too few traces in total?) and the placement of the components (e.g. memory very far away from the bridges and the CPU).

No, I'm not saying that these pictures are fake. I'm rather wondering if with this level of engineering knowledge, the board will survive a smoke test, not thinking about eventually working at all.
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Re: Amy'05 Pics by Troika
« Reply #15 on: September 16, 2006, 10:27:15 AM »
What's the Geode for?

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Re: Amy'05 Pics by Troika
« Reply #16 on: September 16, 2006, 10:46:45 AM »
> What's the Geode for?

AmigaOS 5 :-D

Or generating heat.

Or running WinUAE (if the thing at some stage indeed runs software at all).
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Re: Amy'05 Pics by Troika
« Reply #17 on: September 16, 2006, 11:42:02 AM »
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What's the Geode for?


Edit: OK, it's a south bridge.

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Re: Amy'05 Pics by Troika
« Reply #18 on: September 16, 2006, 12:54:09 PM »
> Edit: OK, it's a south bridge.

I stand corrected. If it's really a CS5536 with integrated USB2.0 controller with four ports, AC97 audio, why is there a separate NEC USB host controller?
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Re: Amy'05 Pics by Troika
« Reply #19 on: September 16, 2006, 01:38:43 PM »
@AmigaHeretic

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BFG - AGEIA PhysX Physics Accelerator Card BFGRPHYSX1

Psst.

That is not a graphics card.  :-)
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Re: Amy'05 Pics by Troika
« Reply #20 on: September 16, 2006, 02:06:17 PM »
It is for the other two USB ports.
 

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Re: Amy'05 Pics by Troika
« Reply #21 on: September 16, 2006, 02:41:30 PM »
Many electronics are now made completely without sockets except for I/O because every socket contact is another potential failure point,socket is another step in manufacturing,socket costs money,etc.Repair these days is usually board replacement.

 Modern electronics are usually robotically assembled ,soldered, and tested in automated stations.No one wants to pay skilled technicians to repair anything these days. Look at the economics of a new TV vs. repair fees on the old one;same for small appliances,gas-powered trimmers etc. Typical shop fees of $25 hour and 2 hour minimum plus parts means it is smarter to toss and replace,thus getting new item and warranty.

 Hobbyists can spend time repairing,building,using old,unusual, or cranky stuff because they are doing it as entertainment.
 

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Re: Amy'05 Pics by Troika
« Reply #22 on: September 16, 2006, 05:28:11 PM »
I take it these piccies are (now) of a non working board though as it is sat on a static fantastic looking spare bed blanket   :lol:
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Re: Amy'05 Pics by Troika
« Reply #23 on: September 16, 2006, 07:19:38 PM »
Good catch. ;-)  I just went to the graphics card page and started cutting pasting anything that didn't say PCI express or AGP.  

2 points I wanted to make though are PCI cards in my opinion are not "diffcult to find" and my other point would be they're still somewhat up to date. At least I don't think there are many Amiga OS4 apps that currently would tax a Radeon X1300 even with only 256mb of DDR2 memory.
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Re: Amy'05 Pics by Troika
« Reply #24 on: September 16, 2006, 07:59:10 PM »
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component placement and routing are definitely from wrong era..

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As is that board is missing hundred (or so) passive components thus making it totally nonworkable and almost impossible to use on any evaluation.

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More time passes, more amateurish that project looks.. Their dpaint-mockup was downright ugly (and component placement bad) but this ain't a step forward as they now have more problems than year(s) ago.


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Re: Amy'05 Pics by Troika
« Reply #25 on: September 16, 2006, 08:05:03 PM »
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Poster: AmigaHeretic  Posted: 2006/9/16 1:28:53

PNY - Verto GeForce 7600 GS Graphics Card VCG7600SXP
256MB DDR memory; PCI Express interface; 400MHz clock speed; 128-bit memory

BFG - GeForce 6200 OC Graphics Card BFGR62256OCP
256MB memory; PCI interface; VGA, DVI-I and S-video outputs; NVIDIA ForceWare


The Geforce 7600 might be a decent card.  Too bad it's PCI Express.

The BFG 6200 is marginal as a high performance graphics card.  It's also 50% more expensive than it's AGP counterpart.

The issue is probably moot anyways.
 

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Re: Amy'05 Pics by Troika
« Reply #26 on: September 17, 2006, 04:04:05 AM »
SDRAM!

Yuck!
 

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Re: Amy'05 Pics by Troika
« Reply #27 on: September 17, 2006, 04:58:48 AM »
Oh, a Moobunny analysis. Well, must be then.

It's obvious the board on the pictures did never run. I think everybody can see the unmounted soldering pads. So ?

(BTW: we haven's seen the other side of the board yet).

Maybe it will never run, and ? At least someone tries and that's the first we gonna see. I think it's cool and best luck to them get it done. They might have still work ahead (nobody denies that).

And there will be competition. If you don't like this one, you might find anotherone which suits your needs better.
 

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Re: Amy'05 Pics by Troika
« Reply #28 on: September 17, 2006, 09:56:03 AM »
funny how amiga comunity members work they nag to death to get pictures and when they do see them they do little else but complaining :lol:  :lol:  :lol: anyways i is nice to see troika has a board design and i kind of like the design too looks a bit special but i gues it will never be the final layout...
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Re: Amy'05 Pics by Troika
« Reply #29 from previous page: September 17, 2006, 03:14:20 PM »
@adonay:

if the board is a incomplete and nonworking board they would have reason to complain.  I'm glad I'm not a mobo designer cause there are alot of internet sleuths on AO and they sure would find out if I was lying or not.  :lol:
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