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Offline Mikey_C

Re: More Micro AmigaOne's Coming!!
« Reply #45 on: June 10, 2005, 11:55:54 AM »
Actually the Pegasos *is* sold at a loss, BBRV himself admitted it.
Trawl back through ANN and you'll find the relevant quote. Along the lines of they would need to sell over 15,000 boards a month to make it financially viable.

So, let's see, you don't own an Amigaone
Don't own a Pegasos.

Therefore, I conclude that the only reason you come on here is to cause aggrevation???

Mikey C
YNWA!
 

Offline falemagn

Re: More Micro AmigaOne's Coming!!
« Reply #46 on: June 10, 2005, 11:58:12 AM »
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Actually the Pegasos *is* sold at a loss, BBRV himself admitted it.


You sure?

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So, let's see, you don't own an Amigaone
Don't own a Pegasos.

Therefore, I conclude that the only reason you come on here is to cause aggrevation???


Yeaaah, I'm a big TROLL, didn't you know? :-)
 

Offline Mikey_C

Re: More Micro AmigaOnes Coming
« Reply #47 on: June 10, 2005, 11:59:23 AM »
falemagn

Hyperion are not gonna port AOS4 to the Pegasos unless someone pays them and Amiga Inc for a license. Get over it, it's not happening. move on. Use Aros, I hear it's getting there. Be happy in your choice and we'll be happy in ours.

Besides, as has already been stated by BBRV they alredy have OS4 running on the Pegasos. They don't need Hyperion to re write it.


Save the money, just get the license from Amiga inc direct and cut out the middle man (i.e. Hyperion)

On the very subject of OS4 for the Pegasos, Rogue has just posted on Amiga.org with regards to this matter the link is here

http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=16186
YNWA!
 

Offline falemagn

Re: More Micro AmigaOnes Coming
« Reply #48 on: June 10, 2005, 12:07:44 PM »
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Hyperion are not gonna port AOS4 to the Pegasos unless someone pays them and Amiga Inc for a license.


You sound a bit upset. Chill down, we're just discussing.

Hyperion don't get license fees for AOS4, for what I understood, it's AInc that get those, so it could be Hyperion themselves who could ask AInc for such a license - as Rogue seems to have confirmed above.

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Get over it, it's not happening. move on.


Get over it? Move on? Did I ever state I'm waiting for AOS4 to be ported to the pegasos, or something like that? We were just discussing and evaluating the various possibilities.

I've speculated on the motives for Hyperion to not port AOS4 to the pegasos - if you have anything to say about those, I'm eager to listen to you.

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Use Aros, I hear it's getting there. Be happy in your choice and we'll be happy in ours.


I don't use AROS, I program it, for the fun of it. I use Linux and Windows daily, but, as you can see, I still feel an amigan pretty much like anyone else here. Luckily I don't need to have an "Amiga" sticker stamped on my forehead to be able to speak here or elsewhere.

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Besides, as has already been stated by BBRV they alredy have OS4 running on the Pegasos. They don't need Hyperion to re write it.


Even if it were true, they can't distribute it.

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Save the money, just get the license from Amiga inc direct and cut out the middle man (i.e. Hyperion)


Yeah, sure... ever heard of copyright laws? :-D
 

Offline Mikey_C

Re: More Micro AmigaOne's Coming!!
« Reply #49 on: June 10, 2005, 12:08:45 PM »
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Yeaaah, I'm a big TROLL, didn't you know? :-)


Yes I did and so do a lot of other people.

And on that note, I have posted all I wanted to post about this issue. I doubt if there is anything worth while to add. So I will not return back to this thread.
YNWA!
 

Offline falemagn

Re: More Micro AmigaOne's Coming!!
« Reply #50 on: June 10, 2005, 12:16:20 PM »
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Yes I did and so do a lot of other people.


You take me way too much seriously, sometines :-P

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And on that note, I have posted all I wanted to post about this issue. I doubt if there is anything worth while to add. So I will not return back to this thread.


Take care!
 

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Re: More Micro AmigaOne's Coming!!
« Reply #51 on: June 10, 2005, 02:03:53 PM »
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Actually the Pegasos *is* sold at a loss


Define "sold at a loss".

a) cheaper than parts+assembly, clearly not the case with the Peg2 (the Peg1 may be a different matter due to the costly April-fix, but good costumer-care has to be done regardless of + or -)

b) doesn't pay for all running costs, well thats quite naturally when you want to build a market (and just as a sidenote, under this definition OS4 is also sold at a loss).

c) units sold sofar didn't recoup all development-cost (on top of a+b), well under this definition every new car model is sold at a loss during the first 2-3 production years, and didn't Alan just recently state that he would still be in the red with his A1-adventure ?
1. Make an announcment.
2. Wait a while.
3. Check if it can actually be done.
4. Wait for someone else to do it.
5. Start working on it while giving out hillarious progress-reports.
6. Deny that you have ever announced it
7. Blame someone else
 

Offline System

Re: More Micro AmigaOnes Coming
« Reply #52 on: June 10, 2005, 03:20:17 PM »
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This isn't the same as rebranding, which is to take someone elses product at the 'dealer' point, slap a different label on it, then ship it out.

@Wiffy and everyone else

Thank you.  That's what I needed to know.  Without knowing exactly what was happening, it simply appeared differently.  As I said, it was not my intent to troll, I was just trying to understand what part Eyetech actually played, if not as a "rebadger".

Wayne
 

Offline Seehund

Re: More Micro AmigaOnes Coming
« Reply #53 on: June 10, 2005, 03:29:41 PM »
Wiffy said:

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This isn't the same as rebranding, which is to take someone elses product at the 'dealer' point, slap a different label on it, then ship it out.


Er, why the "at the dealer point" modifier?

When did rebranding stop being rebranding when someone else's product is taken at the manufacturing point to be... rebranded? Don't all distributors of rebranded goods buy the stuff at the manufacturing point, or from whole-sale dealers/exporters?

I still don't see why people still seem to try to hide or re-phrase the fact that "AmigaOnes" are rebranded Terons. It's not the rebranding per se that's bad or embarrassing.
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Offline Seehund

Re: More Micro AmigaOne's Coming!!
« Reply #54 on: June 10, 2005, 03:41:09 PM »
falemagn said:
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Ask Hyperion to get a license from AInc and port AOS4 to the peg.

They say they only need a license to do it, don't they? :-)


Heh!
Well, insane times take insane measures. The software producer would benefit from selling their software. Hardware producers are either hostile towards or couldn't care less about that software. But there's a licensing requirement in order to sell the software for more hardware. Ergo, to sell more software, the software producer has to buy "their own" licence and start selling hardware.

Perhaps Hyperion will have better luck getting a reply from AInc. :D

The post-Amiga world doesn't make any sense, but it sure isn't boring. :)
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Offline Waccoon

Re: More Micro AmigaOne's Coming!!
« Reply #55 on: June 12, 2005, 02:41:45 AM »
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falemagn:  There won't be other productions of existing designs unless there's demand - there's no demand if the hardware keeps being the crappy hardware it is.

Exactly.

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MikeyC:  There will be new designs of that I am sure.

Nobody even remotely connected to Amiga will design them -- only recycle them.

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MikeyC:  The hardware isn't crappy, my Micro A1 is brill, everything works on it as it should

My Celeron 400 works as it should, too, but that didn't stop me from replacing it with an Athlon 1600+, and then a high-end P4.

To people who have had to deal with 50Mhz CPUs for a decade, PPC seems like a miracle.  Those of us with real hardware know better.  I see no point in using oddball hardware if it works no better than, say, a vanilla Athlon system.  There are plenty of MicroATX PC systems to choose from, and most of them blow away the Micro AmigaOne.

Then again, I do actual work.  I'm not the kind of person who's satisfied browsing the Internet, using AIM, and playing cheezy Flash games all day like the bottom 90% of computer owners.  Do Amigans fall into that class of people?  If so, they aren't the same DeluxePainting, ProTracking, FredFishing, public-domaining community I grew up with, that's for sure.

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falemagn:  It's overpriced, if it costed around $200 (no more) I would consider it.

Well, it would have to be more than that given that it comes with a CPU, and they need extra insurance because of the small volume.  Macs have never been cheap, either.

I still say it would have been nice if Amiga had chosen just one x86 chipset and graphics card to support.  At the very least, it gives a whole lot of CPU choices.

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falemagn:  No, I wouldn't buy a pegasos either, but I'm sure it would be certainly more attractive than the Aone.

The price bracket is about the same.  The Pegasos II may not have the same bugs as the AmigaOne due to the different chipsets, but they have most the same technical shortcomings.

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falemagn:  Considering that porting AOS4 to the peg would certainly increase sales on the desktop...

Another grand advantage to Amiga on x86: less petty politics.

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Kronos:  Define "sold at a loss".

No net profit.

Prototype runs, defective products, returns, unsold product, storage, shipping, advertising, service, tech support, middlemen, developer support, legal crap...

Hardware is a cutthroat business.  You can't do low-level and high-level stuff at the same time unless you're rich.

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Seehund:  Well, insane times take insane measures.

Will there ever be sane times?

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Seehund:  Perhaps Hyperion will have better luck getting a reply from AInc. :D

Yeah, what are partners for?  :-)
 

Offline drankman

Re: More Micro AmigaOnes Coming
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