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AuthorTopic: Pictures of AmigaOne motherboard and statements from Alan Redhouse  (Read 6288 times)

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Offline yssing

Re: Pictures of AmigaOne motherboard and statements from Ala
« Reply #75 on: February 10, 2003, 09:54:29 AM »
Just my personal opinion....
I won't care for any HW before AOS is released.
But as soon as it is, I will care very much for HW, because I would like to have the best I can afford.
But until then, this is pretty useless.
 

Offline jedi

Re: Pictures of AmigaOne motherboard and statements from Ala
« Reply #76 on: February 10, 2003, 11:13:45 AM »
(always blind integrist the MikeB... and always doesn't know what he's talking about... especially when he's talking about Pegasos/MorphOS)
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Offline System

Re: Pictures of AmigaOne motherboard and statements from Ala
« Reply #77 on: February 10, 2003, 11:51:57 AM »
@ Frodo

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If this is a so bad solution, why so many industrials use it?


If Windows and IE are such bad solutions, why so many industrials use them?

Just because many companies or people use something, doesn't per se mean there aren't any better possible solutions thinkable. Why do you guys even bother working on MorphOS anyway then?

@ Jedi

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always blind integrist the MikeB...


You can't come up with proper arguments, so you resort to childish name calling?
 

Offline Herewegoagain

Re: Pictures of AmigaOne motherboard and statements from Ala
« Reply #78 on: February 10, 2003, 12:32:49 PM »
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If you have a Mac, just try one day to do: Apple + O + F at the start of your Mac.


Umm... Would that be "New World Macs"? ;)
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Offline Frodon

Re: Pictures of AmigaOne motherboard and statements from Ala
« Reply #79 on: February 10, 2003, 01:41:32 PM »
Hello,

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If Windows and IE are such bad solutions, why so many industrials use them?

Just because many companies or people use something, doesn't per se mean there aren't any better possible solutions thinkable. Why do you guys even bother working on MorphOS anyway then?


Haven't you find anything better to answer??? In that case your argument is stupid and not valid.

To take a quote of what you answered to Jedi (a bit adapted: "You can't come up with proper arguments, so you resort non valid comparisons?". What you said is just like comparing cars to fruits.

Apple and SUN are not M$, particularly Apple is well known to make good choices.
And don't be silly, the OpenFirmware is maybe one of the most flexible solution for a boot ROM/BIOS. Far more flexible than the BIOS used on the PCs and of course more flexible than proprietary ROMs like what you have in the OldWorld Macs and classic Amigas.

I'm also a Mac user and know lot of Mac users aout there. Personally I love the OpenFirmware model used on the Macs (and on the Pegasos also of course) and this is also the case of the Mac users I know. As well as people involved in alternative OS development (Linux, NetBSD...) for Macs.
This particularly helped a lot for multiple OS booting.

Regards
Frodo Baggins

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Offline Frodon

Re: Pictures of AmigaOne motherboard and statements from Ala
« Reply #80 on: February 10, 2003, 01:51:58 PM »
Hello,

"Umm... Would that be "New World Macs"? ;)"

Yes of course these are the NewWorld Macs

Regards
Frodo Baggins

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Offline System

Re: Pictures of AmigaOne motherboard and statements from Ala
« Reply #81 on: February 10, 2003, 02:59:46 PM »
@ Frodon

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In that case your argument is stupid and not valid.


My argument is valid, just because something is used by many people or companies does not prove it is a better solution.

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Apple and SUN are not M$, particularly Apple is well known to make good choices.


If we take Apple's solutions as the example you will see that Windows outnumbers Apple's solution 20 to 1. Is Windows for instance 20 times better than MacOS X? I don't think so. (Or i.e. Amiga vs MSDOS during the platform's heydays)

And to think that Apple has always been so good, do you think Apple's pre-X OS solutions were that good? I do not.

Anyway, yet again some MorphOS trolls transform a Amiga thread into a childish personal mud-slinging contest.

And for what? First and foremost the BIOS ROM is just for initializing hardware. IMO you guys are pulling this way out of perspective, how will you guys react when AmigaOS4 finally hits the market, with such out of proportion reactions even about a different BIOS ROM?

This will be all from me with regard to this thread...

P.S. PPCBoot was chosen to be a better solution for the AmigaOne project, that all I meant to say, not that the Pegasos is crap just because it uses something different.
 

Offline jedi

Re: Pictures of AmigaOne motherboard and statements from Ala
« Reply #82 on: February 10, 2003, 03:25:08 PM »
> Anyway, yet again some MorphOS trolls transform
> a Amiga thread into a childish personal mud-
> slinging contest.

Who are trolls in this story ? Along this thread, I mainly see a MikeB who says (again) stupidities regarding Pegasos/MorphOS.
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Offline DaveP

Re: Pictures of AmigaOne motherboard and statements from Ala
« Reply #83 on: February 10, 2003, 03:54:46 PM »
Starting to get a bit too personal in here I think.
Hate figure. :lol:
 

Offline Frodon

Re: Pictures of AmigaOne motherboard and statements from Ala
« Reply #84 on: February 10, 2003, 04:09:16 PM »
Hello,

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Anyway, yet again some MorphOS trolls transform a Amiga thread into a childish personal mud-slinging contest.

And for what? First and foremost the BIOS ROM is just for initializing hardware. IMO you guys are pulling this way out of perspective, how will you guys react when AmigaOS4 finally hits the market, with such out of proportion reactions even about a different BIOS ROM?


I don't know what you exactly mean but just for your information, I never criticized the AmigaOne BIOS/Firmware.
You were just saying that the OF is not a good solution, I was just explained why I think it's a good one.

I've been using OF based computers for 2 years now (Macs mainly and now the Pegasos) and never complained about the OF. In fact I love it in all my OF based computers. And I know nobody complaining about OF (I know mainly Mac users about that).

For now I didn't see you giving valid arguments. You just answered that the fact that it's used by lot of companies doesn't imply it's a good solution.
But this is very vague and general (and so doesn't always apply) and it is not a constructive argument as it didn't give any additional elements to help understanding better why you think it's not a good solution.

What I know is thanks to the OF I can multi-boot my OF computers easily, change configuration easily using a quite well extended command line interface. (It's also possible to use graphical interface to boot for example. On Macs you get a GUI pressing the Alt key at startup).

On all my previous posts here I was just answered to you about the OF boot solution, disregarding the AmigaOne solution. PPCBoot is also a good solution. But OF is not a bad one. This is the only thing I mean.
Don't interprete I'm against PPCBoot (AmigaOne choice) as in fact I'm not. I was just arguing about OF, nothing else.

Regards
Frodo Baggins

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Offline downix

Re: Pictures of AmigaOne motherboard and statements from Ala
« Reply #85 on: February 10, 2003, 07:05:50 PM »
I happen to like OF for a few reasons:

1)  Many cards support OF out of the box.  This means you are more likely to put the off-the-shelf card into your system and have it work immediately.  (Great for networking cards or for video cards)

2)  OF is not limited to PowerPC's.  Sun's use them, for example.  This means that more high-end cards include OF support than not.  If you want your card to run on a Sun SPARCStation, you gotta use OF.

3)  The front end for selecting an OS is modular, allowing a great many choices for how you want your system to load up.

4) Many non-x86 OS's can use OF to load up the system without needing a bootloader (such as LILO) at all.  This provides a common denominator for OS support, and thereby gains a system more support from 3rd parties.

5)  OF is an industry standard.  This means that there will be more support for it than a competing standard.  It's a very big world out there.  While rolling your own HAL might work for some, it's always better to let the big boys do the work, and you take advantage of it.

My 2 bits on the OF vs PPCBoot thing.

Note, I'm not calling PPCBoot bad, as I've never seen it in action to compare, just that I prefer OF due to it's huge amounts of support from 3rd parties with very deep pockets.
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Offline gnarly

Re: Pictures of AmigaOne motherboard and statements from Ala
« Reply #86 on: February 11, 2003, 02:09:31 AM »
I dont like to get drawn into flame wars but this is gretting stupid.

Someone posted some pictures of the G4 hardware. Fair enough. Some people got excited as usual, fair enough. But yet again its deteriorated.

What follows is a ridiculous and petty flame war about the number of PCI slots it has and which bios they chose to use?

For fecks sake, look at yourselves! DOES ANY OF THIS REALLY MATTER? You're fully grown adults bitching about whether one mobo is better than another simply becuase its a bit smaller/bigger/has some slots the other doesn't! In the end it doesn't really matter becuase they'll both run a different OS.

I know you're all bored stupid of waiting but this is just silly. Get outside, ride your bike, kick a ball around, throw a frisbee, argue over something real and constructive.

Yours disbelievingly...
Cheers,

Olly
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Offline System

Re: Pictures of AmigaOne motherboard and statements from Ala
« Reply #87 on: February 11, 2003, 08:57:51 AM »
To the Morph-OS  PPL in here:

I've followed many threads in the last few months regarding this stupid A1/MOS feud.
I was trying to learn something that will help me decide which one to buy.

I have made up my mind - based on a lot of subjects and data I found out - and decided on an A1.

But I will not go into the reasons to my decision, because clearly this is not the subject of this thread anymore.



I am disgusted by your behaviour and attitude.
Instead of arguing in a civilized manner, talking to the point, claiming your arguments and proving your case, you go into personal acusations and stupid name-calling.

And don't tell me it comes from both sides, because in all the time I've been reading these threads (like the strange announcment of Genesi guys about the April chip and all that) it's YOU who are acting like some Mad-Cows and instead of arguing, you just go into name-calling every time your arguments are proven wrong - just like you are doing here to MikeB.

Thank God I have good enough reasons to buy A1 - I sure wouldn't want to be a member of YOUR club.

I don't have an idea of who you are, or who MikeB is.
I live far-far away.
But seeing how these discussions are going, I like MikeB already (don't worry, Mike, I have agirlfriend... ;-)  )