Raquel Velasco & Bill Buck / Genesi's Clarifications

[dammy]

It's so sad Mike watching you throw away the last shreds of being a respectable author and turning into nothing but a shrilled Sock Puppet.  

Dammy

[dammy]

ter: MikeB Date: 2002/12/4 15:07:26

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It's so sad Mike watching you throw away the last shreds of being a respectable author


Come on now Randy, this is all just hilarious. And by the way, since when have you (of all people!) decided to become a moralizer.

The war is about over and the community needs to pull together.  I've attempted to show it can be done and let bygones be bygones.  But no, you have to still charge in and make further rips in the Community.  You know, the community you say you like so much and do so much for?  Your just a partisan Sock Puppet who mouths what your Puppet Master wants to be said in public.

But there are those like me who will point out that those of your ilk on AmigaMMC's SuperDuper Secret ML, do not speak for the Community, but against it.  

I threatened long ago after reading Hyperion's silly nonsense against bPlan/MOS to buy a Pegasos. Depending on what 2003 has in store for me, I just may go ahead and do it.  Perhaps then I can finally bare to take the old Amiga out to the trash.  I almost did it a few years ago, I just didn't have the heart to do it.  Now, I'm almost ashamed to be even connected with a community with people like you publically claiming to be apart of it.

Dammy

[dammy]

Poster: MikeB Date: 2002/12/4 16:26:05

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The war is about over and the community needs to pull together.


I wouldn't call your 100% certain claims of Amiga bankruptcy a result of a so called "war". And what exactly ended this "war" in your eyes?

Amiga can't even afford an office since this summer.  They can't afford to protect Bernie so they can make money off of sales of his work.  DE was an interesting idea, but its Tao's IP, not theirs.  Now it's been how long for a promised DE SDK T-Shirt?  How long has it been for a promised SDK update?  Guess that is something else they can't afford, to do work on their main product that cellphone OEMs won't use.

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Your just a partisan Sock Puppet who mouths what your Puppet Master wants to be said in public.


If you mean Bill McEwen as being the "Puppet Master", he actually thinks it would be best to ignore people like you or Bill Buck. This to avoid those nasty flamewars on Amiga forums.

I highly doubt your Puppet Master is that high up in the food chain.  It's more likely Gary or Luca is leading you on.  Don't know which, don't really care who it is either.  Most of the community have realized or has begun to realize your dotcom style pitching for Amiga Inc's spin has translated into no creditability of your words.  

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I threatened long ago after reading Hyperion's silly nonsense against bPlan/MOS to buy a Pegasos.


Why threaten people? Why not just buy one, why should others care about this?

As a signal that the mud slinging and FUD coming from your camp is getting so bad, even I am looking into purchasing a Pegasos.  But that type of hint is evidently lost on you without someone telling you.

And by the way, you also stated many times in the past that PPC was the wrong way to go as well as going closed source. Do you understand that MorphOS isn't x86 nor open source?

I really fail to understand why you think OSS is a red flag for me.  I like Linux regardless if it's OSS or not.  I like AmigaOS, it's closed source (which we now see the unpleasant circumstance closed source causes like H&P's license agreements).  I really wanted Berniethlon, that was part closed/open source, which really didn't matter to me.  People like you and AmigaMMC have pretty much driven me to want to try MorphOS.  

Good Job!

Dammy

[dammy]

oster: jedi Date: 2002/12/5 11:01:51

@Mike:

"Bill has 0% creditibility left for me, both due to what he spreads publicly and due to my personal experiences with this guy."

Yeah, everybody here, and everywhere, has well understood your personal opinions of Bill Buck (you've spread them so many times ). But, again, that are your personal problem and point of view.

You can believe that your truth, with YOUR reasons, is a reality, but * try * to accept that our truth, with OUR reasons, are also perhaps a reality...


"The fact is that he was the CEO of VisCorp at the time and the company management was a fiasco."

Do you know that Pretory is a great success ?...

The only truth Mike knows is his Puppet Master's truth.  If it's not his Puppet Master saying so, everyone else is saying lies/delusions/FUD.  If you really want to change Mike's mind, go convince his Puppet Master, then Mike will believe you, but not before.

Dammy

[dammy]

Poster: MikeB Date: 2002/12/5 11:46:18

@ Dammy

Well, it was me who confronted you with the fact that the orginal AmigaOS has never been open sourced,

No kidding! Where the hell did I ever say AOS was open source to begin with?  Hint, I never have.

in response to your views on only open sourced software having any future. I simply did not agree with your views while looking at the amount of money which is being spent on Linux, while still offering rather slow and bloated solutions.

I still say AmigaOS is doomed as it is, exactly because it wasn't OSS'd.  Let's see here, supposedly Amiga Inc had WB 1.x - 3.1 and then H&P has WB 3.5 and 3.9.  Then we have Hyperion with AOS 4.0 an supposedly, according to of your more fanactical zealots, AOS 5.0 work has been started by Amiga Inc.  If this isn't clearly a mess to you on who owns what, ask your Puppet Master to explain to you why I say it is.  Had Gateway released AOS/WB as open source under some appropriate Gateway license, we would not have this mess and a doomed OS.

IMO to develop a good desktop OS a good fulltime (usually means commercially paid) development team is needed to accomplish this. I do see a future for open source however, but not in terms of providing innovative new technology. (Would you release innovative software as open source, so that rival companies can pick it up for free, or would you like to make money with your efforts?)

That is only if it's under a BSD style license. There are a plethra of licensing schemes that allow open source but still protect the owners of the code from being taken advantage of by other companies.  Again, ask your Puppet Master to explain this to you in more detail.

Do you suffer from amnesia or do you just have a selective memory?

Your Puppet Master can attempt to twist my words all he/she want, but it doesn't discredit the facts.  Oh, that's right, you all don't bother with facts to begin with.  My bad.

 

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even I am looking into purchasing a Pegasos.


Good for you! That would mean that you would finally actually do something instead of just trolling. IMO that's a good improvement. I am totally for people who are satisfied with Pegasos/MorphOS solutions, that they buy these products, this will even help Amiga dealers.

So why don't you STFU and leave the choice up to the individuals and stop spreading your shrilled BS?  You and Luca pull back, I'll do the same. Talk it over with your Puppet Master and get back with me.  You know where to find me.

Dammy

[dammy]

Poster: MikeB Date: 2002/12/5 14:40:35

@ Dammy

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No kidding! Where the hell did I ever say AOS was open source to begin with? Hint, I never have.


What I said at the time was that, if you believe open source to be the only possible and interesting future, why are you an AmigaOS or Amithlon fan, as both have been closed source since day one. I was just suprized to see my own arguments as yours.

I realize it's difficult for you to think with being told what to think by your Puppet Master, but I'll give it a shot anyways.  It's inmaterial if I like AOS (closed) or Amithlon (closed and open) if it's going to succeed.  What I have said was, without AOS becoming OSS'd (with whatever license that still protects it from commercial explotation like H&P have apparently already done) it's never going to reach critical mass.  Not only that, who wants to take another bath on developing for an OS that's owner is usually in deep financial troubles and is likely to go under, yet again.  If it was open sourced, then developers could be assured AOS would still be around, and therefor users would continue to be around, regardless of the owner's financial condition.  

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I still say AmigaOS is doomed as it is, exactly because it wasn't OSS'd


And I believe the OS would be commercially doomed if the OS would be open sourced (which may also be impossible to do, due to 3rd party licensed code).

Third party coder's portions could be deleted and allow other developers to write a open source license replacement.  As a commercial OS, it's not only doomed already, it died awhile back.  WB 3.9 sales shows us that.

So, we disagree. The fact of the matter is that we don't own AmigaOS, so we cannot give the OS away or decide to open the sources.

Give it time, $5 maybe the winning bid in a few months. ;-)

IMO it would be very stupid to do this at this point, as Amiga Inc first had to pay millions of dollars for their IP and afterwards rivals could easily abuse their IP.

That has to be one of the most funnest things you've said in a long time.  Here is H&P, no license for WB 3.9 nor AmigaXL/Amithlon and Amiga Inc is just sitting there, stinking up the joint as it rots away.  A probably near perfect example of what you said would be wrong, and here it is coming to pass with a closed sourced OS.

Anyway your insults will continue no matter what, so further discussion with you would be useless. And actually I was only curious to know why you are trying to paint yourself of as a moralizer (especially within recent threads), and it is now obvious that you are just faking.

I'm more then willing to STFU, if you an Luca do the same.  I can accept the war is over and the mop up battles will wrap up in a month or two.  I can freely agree that we need to come together at the end and be unified.  Pity you, your Puppet Masters, and Luca can't let the go of your elite standing in Amiga Inc that is about to be defunct.

Check with your Puppet Masters and Luca, then get back with me.

Dammy

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