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Offline Elektro

Re: Raquel Velasco & Bill Buck / Genesi's Clarification
« Reply #60 on: December 05, 2002, 03:37:37 PM »
There was no Amiga Inc. in 1996 and if Bill Buck wanted Amiga so much he could've bought it from gateway.
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Offline System

Re: Raquel Velasco & Bill Buck / Genesi's Clarification
« Reply #61 on: December 05, 2002, 03:38:32 PM »
@ Jedi

Bill has 0% creditibility left for me, both due to what he spreads publicly and due to my personal experiences with this guy.

The fact is that he was the CEO of VisCorp at the time and the company management was a fiasco. Certainly as CEO he has had his say and part within this whole affair, or else it would be like saying Bill McEwen has no part in Amiga Inc management, or Steve Jobs at Apple, etc.

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"many" is not "all"


No, but IMO your question was answered correctly. If Ambient would have been tested on classic hardware for a year already, I believe Ambient wouldn't have been as unstable as it is today.

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"components" are not the "complete system"


Yes, else AmigaOS4 for the AmigaOne would already have been finished shortly after the kernel was ported. As some components still need to be emulated Petunia integration is likely to be one of the main points of focus.
 

Offline jedi

Re: Raquel Velasco & Bill Buck / Genesi's Clarification
« Reply #62 on: December 05, 2002, 04:01:51 PM »
@Mike:

"Bill has 0% creditibility left for me, both due to what he spreads publicly and due to my personal experiences with this guy."

Yeah, everybody here, and everywhere, has well understood your personal opinions of Bill Buck (you've spread them so many times :-P). But, again, that are your personal problem and point of view.

You can believe that your truth, with YOUR reasons, is a reality, but * try * to accept that our truth, with OUR reasons, are also perhaps a reality... ;)


"The fact is that he was the CEO of VisCorp at the time and the company management was a fiasco."

Do you know that Pretory is a great success ?... ;-)
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Offline jedi

Re: Raquel Velasco & Bill Buck / Genesi's Clarification
« Reply #63 on: December 05, 2002, 04:14:32 PM »
@Mike:

"No, but IMO your question was answered correctly. Believe me if Ambient would have been tested on classic hardware for a year already, I believe Ambient wouldn't have been as unstable as it is today."

That's correct. But just a correction (again) : today Ambient is NOT as unstable as you say. Last 2 months, the progress of Ambient has been very important, and you will be very (well) surprised in Aachen :-)
I would like to say, and to see, the same things for AmigaOS4 on AmigaOne (on Amiga Classic PPC it won't be a serious result for me)...
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Offline dammy

Re: Raquel Velasco & Bill Buck / Genesi's Clarification
« Reply #64 on: December 05, 2002, 04:20:03 PM »
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Poster: MikeB Date: 2002/12/4 16:26:05

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The war is about over and the community needs to pull together.


I wouldn't call your 100% certain claims of Amiga bankruptcy a result of a so called "war". And what exactly ended this "war" in your eyes?


Amiga can't even afford an office since this summer.  They can't afford to protect Bernie so they can make money off of sales of his work.  DE was an interesting idea, but its Tao's IP, not theirs.  Now it's been how long for a promised DE SDK T-Shirt?  How long has it been for a promised SDK update?  Guess that is something else they can't afford, to do work on their main product that cellphone OEMs won't use.

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Your just a partisan Sock Puppet who mouths what your Puppet Master wants to be said in public.


If you mean Bill McEwen as being the "Puppet Master", he actually thinks it would be best to ignore people like you or Bill Buck. This to avoid those nasty flamewars on Amiga forums.


I highly doubt your Puppet Master is that high up in the food chain.  It's more likely Gary or Luca is leading you on.  Don't know which, don't really care who it is either.  Most of the community have realized or has begun to realize your dotcom style pitching for Amiga Inc's spin has translated into no creditability of your words.  

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I threatened long ago after reading Hyperion's silly nonsense against bPlan/MOS to buy a Pegasos.


Why threaten people? Why not just buy one, why should others care about this?


As a signal that the mud slinging and FUD coming from your camp is getting so bad, even I am looking into purchasing a Pegasos.  But that type of hint is evidently lost on you without someone telling you.


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And by the way, you also stated many times in the past that PPC was the wrong way to go as well as going closed source. Do you understand that MorphOS isn't x86 nor open source?


I really fail to understand why you think OSS is a red flag for me.  I like Linux regardless if it's OSS or not.  I like AmigaOS, it's closed source (which we now see the unpleasant circumstance closed source causes like H&P's license agreements).  I really wanted Berniethlon, that was part closed/open source, which really didn't matter to me.  People like you and AmigaMMC have pretty much driven me to want to try MorphOS.  

Good Job!

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Offline System

Re: Raquel Velasco & Bill Buck / Genesi's Clarification
« Reply #65 on: December 05, 2002, 04:24:11 PM »
@ Jedi

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But, again, that are your personal problem and point of view.


Nonesense, that isn't really a problem for me, however maybe it is for you as you cannot imagine anyone criticizing his childish behaviours.

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You can believe that your truth, with YOUR reasons, is a reality, but * try * to accept that our truth, with OUR reasons, are also perhaps a reality... ;)


Maybe you have completely lost the topic here. This thread is about Bill Buck making wild claims with regard to 3rd party products. It is not about personal preferences nor about some sane employees amongst the Genesi team.

Can I gather from this that you think Bill Buck's wild claims are correct.   ;-)

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Do you know that Pretory is a great success ?


Do you know that Bill Buck is not the CEO of Pretory?  ;-)
 

Offline System

Re: Raquel Velasco & Bill Buck / Genesi's Clarification
« Reply #66 on: December 05, 2002, 04:46:18 PM »
@ Dammy

Well, it was me who confronted you with the fact that the orginal AmigaOS has never been open sourced, in response to your views on only open sourced software having any future. I simply did not agree with your views while looking at the amount of money which is being spent on Linux, while still offering rather slow and bloated solutions.

IMO to develop a good desktop OS a good fulltime (usually means commercially paid) development team is needed  to accomplish this. I do see a future for open source however, but not in terms of providing innovative new technology. (Would you release innovative software as open source, so that rival companies can pick it up for free, or would you like to make money with your efforts?)

Do you suffer from amnesia or do you just have a selective memory?

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even I am looking into purchasing a Pegasos.


Good for you! That would mean that you would finally actually do something instead of just trolling. IMO that's a good improvement. I am totally for people who are satisfied with Pegasos/MorphOS solutions, that they buy these products, this will even help Amiga dealers.
 

Offline dammy

Re: Raquel Velasco & Bill Buck / Genesi's Clarification
« Reply #67 on: December 05, 2002, 04:55:03 PM »
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oster: jedi Date: 2002/12/5 11:01:51

@Mike:

"Bill has 0% creditibility left for me, both due to what he spreads publicly and due to my personal experiences with this guy."

Yeah, everybody here, and everywhere, has well understood your personal opinions of Bill Buck (you've spread them so many times ). But, again, that are your personal problem and point of view.

You can believe that your truth, with YOUR reasons, is a reality, but * try * to accept that our truth, with OUR reasons, are also perhaps a reality... ;)


"The fact is that he was the CEO of VisCorp at the time and the company management was a fiasco."

Do you know that Pretory is a great success ?...


The only truth Mike knows is his Puppet Master's truth.  If it's not his Puppet Master saying so, everyone else is saying lies/delusions/FUD.  If you really want to change Mike's mind, go convince his Puppet Master, then Mike will believe you, but not before.

Dammy
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Offline zacman

Re: Raquel Velasco & Bill Buck / Genesi's Clarification
« Reply #68 on: December 05, 2002, 05:11:05 PM »
>Do you know that Bill Buck is not the CEO of Pretory

Do you know that Raquel is the main shareholder?
 

Offline System

Re: Raquel Velasco & Bill Buck / Genesi's Clarification
« Reply #69 on: December 05, 2002, 05:20:01 PM »
@ zacman

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Do you know that Raquel is the main shareholder?


No, I do not *know* that. I have only read Bill Buck's mention of this, but if this is true or not I don't know, as there have been lots of cases where I do know where Bill twisted facts.

But regardless I completely fail to see how this makes him a good CEO. Personally I may have a huge stake in a very successful company as well, but does this make my wife a suitable CEO for a company?
 

Offline Orgin

Re: Raquel Velasco & Bill Buck / Genesi's Clarification
« Reply #70 on: December 05, 2002, 05:42:15 PM »
@anarchic_teapot

Okie, thanks for your answer.

/Björn
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Offline zacman

Re: Raquel Velasco & Bill Buck / Genesi's Clarification
« Reply #71 on: December 05, 2002, 05:47:12 PM »
>But regardless I completely fail to see how this
>makes him a good CEO

Look this fact allows Genesi to really *invest* money
into this market and get for example licences that
no other Amiga company is able to get.

You'll see in Aachen.
 

Offline System

Re: Raquel Velasco & Bill Buck / Genesi's Clarification
« Reply #72 on: December 05, 2002, 06:34:29 PM »
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get for example licenses that no other Amiga company is able to get.


I would already be more content if they would finally release a MorphOS feature list. But of course I am also curious to know what these wonderful licenses could be, but who is your source? Hopefully not Bill Buck?

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You'll see in Aachen.


Yes, we'll see.  :-)
 

Offline dammy

Re: Raquel Velasco & Bill Buck / Genesi's Clarification
« Reply #73 on: December 05, 2002, 07:10:35 PM »
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Poster: MikeB Date: 2002/12/5 11:46:18

@ Dammy

Well, it was me who confronted you with the fact that the orginal AmigaOS has never been open sourced,


No kidding! Where the hell did I ever say AOS was open source to begin with?  Hint, I never have.

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in response to your views on only open sourced software having any future. I simply did not agree with your views while looking at the amount of money which is being spent on Linux, while still offering rather slow and bloated solutions.


I still say AmigaOS is doomed as it is, exactly because it wasn't OSS'd.  Let's see here, supposedly Amiga Inc had WB 1.x - 3.1 and then H&P has WB 3.5 and 3.9.  Then we have Hyperion with AOS 4.0 an supposedly, according to of your more fanactical zealots, AOS 5.0 work has been started by Amiga Inc.  If this isn't clearly a mess to you on who owns what, ask your Puppet Master to explain to you why I say it is.  Had Gateway released AOS/WB as open source under some appropriate Gateway license, we would not have this mess and a doomed OS.

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IMO to develop a good desktop OS a good fulltime (usually means commercially paid) development team is needed to accomplish this. I do see a future for open source however, but not in terms of providing innovative new technology. (Would you release innovative software as open source, so that rival companies can pick it up for free, or would you like to make money with your efforts?)


That is only if it's under a BSD style license. There are a plethra of licensing schemes that allow open source but still protect the owners of the code from being taken advantage of by other companies.  Again, ask your Puppet Master to explain this to you in more detail.

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Do you suffer from amnesia or do you just have a selective memory?


Your Puppet Master can attempt to twist my words all he/she want, but it doesn't discredit the facts.  Oh, that's right, you all don't bother with facts to begin with.  My bad.

 
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even I am looking into purchasing a Pegasos.


Good for you! That would mean that you would finally actually do something instead of just trolling. IMO that's a good improvement. I am totally for people who are satisfied with Pegasos/MorphOS solutions, that they buy these products, this will even help Amiga dealers.


So why don't you STFU and leave the choice up to the individuals and stop spreading your shrilled BS?  You and Luca pull back, I'll do the same. Talk it over with your Puppet Master and get back with me.  You know where to find me. ;)

Dammy
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Offline System

Re: Raquel Velasco & Bill Buck / Genesi's Clarification
« Reply #74 on: December 05, 2002, 07:40:35 PM »
@ Dammy

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No kidding! Where the hell did I ever say AOS was open source to begin with? Hint, I never have.


What I said at the time was that, if you believe open source to be the only possible and interesting future, why are you an AmigaOS or Amithlon fan, as both have been closed source since day one. I was just suprized to see my own arguments as yours.

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I still say AmigaOS is doomed as it is, exactly because it wasn't OSS'd


And I believe the OS would be commercially doomed if the OS would be open sourced (which may also be impossible to do, due to 3rd party licensed code).

So, we disagree. The fact of the matter is that we don't own AmigaOS, so we cannot give the OS away or decide to open the sources.

IMO it would be very stupid to do this at this point, as Amiga Inc first had to pay millions of dollars for their IP and afterwards rivals could easily abuse their IP.

Anyway your insults will continue no matter what, so further discussion with you would be useless. And actually I was only curious to know why you are trying to paint yourself of as a moralizer (especially within recent threads), and it is now obvious that you are just faking.