IBM to unleash new PowerPC chip

[Mickey]

Pteppic, point taken'
Dethknight I appologize if you didn't mean me in your thread. I rush to judge, but it seemed possible at the time.  :-D

Pteppic, thanks for at least defending rest of my points :-)

[Hammer]

I'm happy to see new PPC chip and I hope they do surpass Intel some day..

A high clock speed (e.g. 1.8Ghz) ~52 million transistor fabricated chip is well within the abilities of Intel i.e. current product range is @ 2.8Ghz(soon to be 3Ghz) clock speed for ~55 million transistor fabricated chip.

Can IBM complete with Intel IF Intel have a licensed (or cloned) PPC-64bit chip (e.g.. Intel has license of ARM CPU designs and it’s currently the world’s fastest ARM chip when compared to Motorola’s ARM chips)?

[AmigaMac]

In any case I'm all for competition and I'm happy to see new PPC chip and I hope they do surpass Intel some day.

Well PPC surpassed x86 when it was conceived and it will do it again since the emphasis is more focused on performance than energy efficiency!  The only reason Intel has a leg up on IBM/Motorola is the total I/O implementation built around the CPU, which is more up-to-date and has 3 times the bandwidth (RAM/FSB)... imagine if the G3s and G4s had that bandwidth to play with?!

[Mickey]

imagine

[Hammer]

Helk even a G4 at 1 GHz is comparible to a P4 at 2 GHz in most real world benchmarks... these were quite interesting with the new 1.25 GHz G4s:

http://www.barefeats.com/pentium4.html

I think the new Power4 based PowerPC 64bit CPU will do much better!

That's hardly the "most real world benchmarks".  Any reasonable statistics must have at least n>30.

Refer to
1. http://www.geocities.com/sw_perf/
2. http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20020113045343563
3. http://www.barefeats.com/graf31.html

Interesting that barefeats has tested a current PPC flagchip VS non-X86 flagchip .

Better range  of benchmarks
1. Photoshop  
2. Maya  
3. Lightwave  7.5
4. Cinema4D  
5. Mathematica  
6. OGR  
7. SETI
8. RC5  
9. ArsTestBench
10 OpenSSL
11. Quake3 Arena

One has to look at the overall perspective i.e. soon to be released Barton Core Athlon XP with L2 512kb (last Q4 2002 release), which may give Athlon XP some extra IPC jump.

I can't wait to see some benchmarks of AOS4 and the AmigaOne in action!

Are you implying that AmigaOne HW can mount IBM’s new chip?

[Hammer]

Well PPC surpassed x86 when it was conceived

So you comparing a 8086 to Power1? Intel back at time didn't apply RISC techniques to their CPUs.  

and it will do it again since the emphasis is more focused on performance than energy efficiency!

“Energy efficiency” was a recent re-positioning for the said product.

"Energy efficiency" was not even an issue during the launch of PPC 601(max IPC) vs Pentium Classic (max compatibility).

[Mickey]

Hammer read his name "AmigaMac", you can see why he says what he says don't you? Those post don't require responses, they are self-answering.

[Hammer]

Well PPC surpassed x86 when it was conceived and it will do it again since the emphasis is more focused on performance than energy efficiency! The only reason Intel has a leg up on IBM/Motorola is the total I/O implementation built around the CPU, which is more up-to-date and has 3 times the bandwidth (RAM/FSB)...

You realise Pentium III(considered to have a better IPC than Pentium VI) communicates with outside world @133Mhz. Anything greater is useless for this chip.

imagine if the G3s and G4s had that bandwidth to play with?!

It would be pointless since the current G3 and G4 communicates with the out world side @133Mhz.  

Secondly, G4 has a massive 512kb L2 cache to compensate some of the problem e.g. OpenSSL's core routines should fitting nicely.

Most games store their textures within GPU’s RAM, both modern Apple and old Intel Pentium III has AGP 4X.  It reduces texture fetch action from the main ram.  

Note that Athlon XP has yet to have the 512 L2 treatment unlike the G4.

More news about the 64bit CPUs
http://www.eet.com/semi/news/OEG20021014S0059

[AmigaMac]

So you comparing a 8086 to Power1? Intel back at time didn't apply RISC techniques to their CPUs.

Actually I'm talking about the PowerPC 601!

“Energy efficiency” was a recent re-positioning for the said product.

But it has been the last few years due to targeting the embedded market and has been the primary focus of IBM (and even Motorola) until now!

It would be pointless since the current G3 and G4 communicates with the out world side @133Mhz.

Why would you not increase the bandwidth around the CPU if the architecture allowed that possibility?!

Secondly, G4 has a massive 512kb L2 cache to compensate some of the problem e.g. OpenSSL's core routines should fitting nicely.

The Pentium 4 has 512kb L2 cache as well!

Note that Athlon XP has yet to have the 512 L2 treatment unlike the G4.

Yeah but the Athlon MP is the only one that is designed with its memory cache cross-strapped... I think that's a great advantage!

Are you implying that AmigaOne HW can mount IBM’s new chip?

Well unless EyeTech has changed its CPU strategy, I am assuming the G3s/G4s will come as expected!

[AmigaMac]

Hammer read his name "AmigaMac", you can see why he says what he says don't you? Those post don't require responses, they are self-answering.

Never judge a book by its cover... I own/use both platforms on top of what I use at work (Suns/PCs)!

[DethKnight]

sorry bout the confusion there mickey, it was intended to be  1> a response to eddit
2> a slur against micro$oft , mickey as in mickey mouse.
(I hadn't realized a Mickey was a user here, my oversight)

and just to satisfy curiosity, I posted using Mozilla 1.2a.

I'm curious also, has anybody here coded, plan to code, hate to code 64 bit?? Is it worse/better?? generally

[Hammer]

Actually I'm talking about the PowerPC 601!

You did not state it.

Intel hasn’t implement their post-RISC architectures at that time(mid 90s).  

But it has been the last few years due to targeting the embedded market and has been the primary focus of IBM (and even Motorola) until now!

What was the "PC" stands for in "PowerPC" label again?

The Pentium 4 has 512kb L2 cache as well!

Refer to Pentium III with L2 512kb  vs Pentium 3 with L2 256kb examples. Pentium III with L2 512kb has a better IPC compared the older Pentium III.

 

Yeah but the Athlon MP is the only one that is designed with its memory cache cross-strapped... I think that's a great advantage!

I don't recall 512Kb worth of Cache memory  was onboard a single CPU.  In some bench test MP solution didn’t perform as good when compared to a single Athlon XP solution. Dual CPU has to deal with SMP overheads.

Well unless EyeTech has changed its CPU strategy, I am assuming the G3s/G4s will come as expected!

What’s the point of this statement?
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I can't wait to see some benchmarks of AOS4 and the AmigaOne in action!
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The tread was about IBM's new chip not the existing solution.

Doubt that the A1+AOS4 solution will significantly increase their IPC?