Terra Soft Ships Apple computers - YDL Pre-Installed

[Seehund]

Terra Soft Solutions, Inc., the leading developer of integrated PowerPC Linux solutions is pleased to announce availability of Apple computers with Yellow Dog Linux pre-installed."



[...]

"Terra Soft, an Apple Authorized VAR, is able to provide custom configured stand-alone units or clusters while maintaining the full Apple warranty. While installation of Linux on PowerPC has greatly improved, pre-installed systems boot directly to Yellow Dog Linux, saving time with installation and configuration."

Yep, you can actually buy new Macs with another OS than MacOS pre-installed and set to boot as default.

Now imagine this announcement but with "YDL" substituted by "AmigaOS"!

(rant)
The only thing preventing such an announcement (or an announcement about AmigaOS being sold and running on any "unlicensed" hardware at all) from ever appearing are those compulsory licensing requirements. They must go.
(/rant)

[HyperionMP]

I'm sorry but the statement that Amiga's licensing terms are preventing the same thing from happening with AmigaOS is grossly misleading.

The fact of the matter is that Apple was already paid for an OEM version of MacOS when these machines were bought.

The fact of the matter is that NOTHING prevents anybody from doing exactly the same which is buying Apple hardware and reselling it with AmigaOS provided the hardware is certified by Amiga (which should not pose a problem).

As a personal note I would like to add that Apple hardware is so clearly branded "Apple" (typical Apple design etc.)  that I as an Amiga user would not take any particular pleasure in running AmigaOS on a desktop machine when a valid alternative in the form of the AmigaOne is available.

[Kronos]

a valid alternative in the form of the AmigaOne is available.

So you prefer a G3/600 without FireWire above a dual-G4/1ghz or an iBook ?

Oh and yes I don't see the need to pay the extra "middle-man" just because of that licence.

[redrumloa]

Oh and yes I don't see the need to pay the extra "middle-man" just because of that licence.

Here we go again.. sigh..

[Kronos]

@Red
Then explain it to me :

If Hyperion manages to port OS4 to some Macs, why shouldn't I be able
to buy the HW in the next Apple-shop, and the OS (+dongle) somewhere else ?

Why do I need to pay "Seehund GmbH" just for putting a boing-ball-sticker
to the Mac ?

[System]

"As a personal note I would like to add that Apple hardware is so clearly branded "Apple" (typical Apple design etc.) that I as an Amiga user would not take any particular pleasure in running AmigaOS on a desktop machine when a valid alternative in the form of the AmigaOne is available. "

i dont see the point. the amiga one isn´t very different from apple hardware. why would it be no pleasure to run amiga os on it? because apple has the better/faster ppc-hardware?

but anyway, this will not happen so fast, because hyperion will not get the information from apple to make amiga os run on macs. and i don´t think, that steve jobs will certificate his computers by amiga inc. to run amiga os instead of mac os
 ;-)


greetings

frank diggler

[System]

"As a personal note I would like to add that Apple hardware is so clearly branded "Apple" (typical Apple design etc.) that I as an Amiga user would not take any particular pleasure in running AmigaOS on a desktop machine when a valid alternative in the form of the AmigaOne is available. "

i dont see the point. the amiga one isn´t very different from apple hardware. why would it be no pleasure to run amiga os on it? because apple has the better/faster ppc-hardware?

but anyway, this will not happen so fast, because hyperion will not get the information from apple to make amiga os run on macs. and i don´t think, that steve jobs will certificate his computers by amiga inc. to run amiga os instead of mac os
 ;-)


greetings

frank diggler

[Kronos]

@frank

Welcome to "my home"  :-P

Atleast the newer desktop-models are well documented, and you
can always have look at the linux-sources. Porting an existing PPC-OS
should be relativly easy and you won't even have to write a new BIOS  ;-)

Since OS4 will never have exclusive HW that is good enough to sell it
(outside the community) it needs to run on REALLY modern HW to atleast have a chance to compete.

[redrumloa]

If Hyperion manages to port OS4 to some Macs, why shouldn't I be able to buy the HW in the next Apple-shop, and the OS (+dongle) somewhere else ?

Who's going to provide support? Hyperion are not a hardware vendor. I'm not against this idea, i just don't see how it's feasible at least at this stage.

Why do I need to pay "Seehund GmbH" just for putting a boing-ball-sticker

Why even bother getting the Mac? Yeah Mac has much higher end CPU models available, but at a price. Once the A1XE is shipping it should work out to the same.

[Kronos]

Support ?

Who is providing support for a "hacked and enhanced" Classic-Amiga ?

Who is providing support for Windows on a built-from-parts x86 ?

Who is providing support for MacOSX on "unsupported" maschines ?

The answer is noone !! But that only natural when I buy unsupported HW.

Everybody who wants to do on of the above things does them at there own risk.

TeronPX (A1-XE) ?
 :lol:  :lol:  
1. It will NOT (read NOT!!) be able to take Apple-CPU-modules
due to a different transfer-protocol.

2. By the time it will be released with lets say G4/1ghz , Macs will
be running G5s and/or at 1.5-2ghz (+ dual option), and even today some
Macs come with DDR-RAM while the TeronPX will still be limited to SDR-133.

[redrumloa]

Who is providing support for a "hacked and enhanced" Classic-Amiga ?

'hacked' well if hacks are done, then nobody. The original computers themselves are so old, obviously nobody. As for 'Enhanced' parts added, the company making those parts should be responsible for support. Obviously quality of support varries widly in the Amiga market, with most support being horrendeous. Isn't this what we want to get away from?

Who is providing support for Windows on a built-from-parts x86 ?

The hardware compent vendors AND somewhat M$ themselves. M$ can afford to support a billion different components because they are a multi-trillion $$ company.

The answer is noone !! But that only natural when I buy unsupported HW.

You know as well as I do if Hyperion went out of their way to support Mac hardware people would expect support from Hyperion.

The rest

baah, mostly speculation. As for DDR in current Macs, it's a waste.

[Kronos]

Speculation ?

Add the release of the A1-XE to that ....

But you can bet your a**** on the fact that Apple will always
be two steps ahead of MAItech.

[redrumloa]

But you can bet your a**** on the fact that Apple will always be two steps ahead of MAItech.

People thought Intel would always be performance king, now AMD is continually thrashing them. People though 3DFX would always be king, then NVIDIA toppled that. Now people NVIDIA can't be surpased, yet ATI has just proved that wrong. Don't bank on things so quick.

[Kronos]

All these companies had $$$$$$$ something the "Amiga-team" doesn't have,
and MAI's main market is in embeeded systems, so they don't have any need
to develop a high-end desktop mobo.

[Seehund]

The fact of the matter is that NOTHING prevents anybody from doing exactly the same which is buying Apple hardware and reselling it with AmigaOS provided the hardware is certified by Amiga (which should not pose a problem).

Why should I as a customer have to care about whether Amiga Inc. or anyone else ("Seehund GmbH") has signed any deals with Apple? Why should I not be able to buy my hardware from any of the (thousands, in the Apple case) dealers I prefer and install AmigaOS myself. Sure, I might choose a bundled system from "Seehund Inc." if their offer appeals to me as an individual customer, but I'd hate to see Seehund or other hypothetical VARs (although who would choose to compete over such a restricted market?) being the only available options...

As a personal note I would like to add that Apple hardware is so clearly branded "Apple" (typical Apple design etc.) that I as an Amiga user would not take any particular pleasure in running AmigaOS on a desktop machine when a valid alternative in the form of the AmigaOne is available.

You totally lost me now. You mean that the trademark the hardware is distributed under would have any relevance to the customer? So we'll slap a boingball sticker over that little apple if it means so much, then it's just as much "Amiga" as any old POP-mobo. Or just throw the Mac mobo in your favourite case, paint the Mac tower black or WHATEVER! If someone licensed a Mac model, would it suddenly transform into a more "valid" alternative then? They're all PPC hardware and there are no reasons to why porting AmigaOS would be any particular problems. Luckily (until a SonyATInVidiaIBMMotorola kind of giant takes over) there will be no more "Amigas", and you if anyone should know that by now.
I don't know what to say if you're seriously suggesting this is an argument to restrict the number of available hardware options. You concentrate on making and selling YOUR product and let your customers worry about the trademarks and stickers of THEIR hardware. Then you'll see people buying your product.

Different customers have different needs, and if you want to sell as much as possible you must satisfy as many needs as possible. Most of your market are hardened, knowledgable geeks, comfortable with assembling hardware and installing software. A minority is not. It's easy to cater for both those categories.