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Offline redrumloa

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Re: CGX supports Radeon
« Reply #15 on: July 17, 2002, 01:17:24 AM »
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Also, people who bought CGX4 got just what they paid for, CGX4. They shouldn't expect to get CGX5 thrown in.


Well i never said free. My point is who would buy an app if they knew it was a dead end? It's kind of like "CGFX5 is for MOS only, but CGFX6 will be for TOS only", there would be some unhappy MOS customers.
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Re: CGX supports Radeon
« Reply #16 on: July 17, 2002, 01:20:24 AM »
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It's just like someone who paid the shareware-fee for P96 (if there is someone who did that)


I did! I think I shocked him;-) They did an EXCELENT job fixing the SGRAM bug for the Voodoo3/Prometheus driver for me. Good software, more should register(Hello out there UAE people!!!!)
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Re: CGX supports Radeon
« Reply #17 on: July 17, 2002, 01:21:57 AM »
>Well i never said free. My point is who would buy
>an app if they knew it was a dead end? It's kind of
>like "CGFX5 is for MOS only, but CGFX6 will be for
>TOS only", there would be some unhappy MOS
>customers.

So what?

I buy a product because I need it now and want to
use it now (besides the fact, that CGX5 comes with
MorphOS as it is integral part and you can't remove
it).
 

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Re: CGX supports Radeon
« Reply #18 on: July 17, 2002, 01:22:01 AM »
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Well i never said free. My point is who would buy an app if they knew it was a dead end? It's kind of like "CGFX5 is for MOS only, but CGFX6 will be for TOS only", there would be some unhappy MOS customers


Presumably people who bought CGX4 bought it to use their GFX card under OS3.x? They can do that quite happily from now till the end of time if they like!

But, I DO understand exactly what you are saying,  i just don't see why anyone would want to install CGX5 on top of AmigaOS4 even if they could. Not because CGX5 is bad (i'm sure its lovely), simply because any patched-on system would be less efficient than the native one already there.

Its like buying a car and strapping a new engine on top of the bonnet, and disconnecting the old one from the wheels  :-D
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Re: CGX supports Radeon
« Reply #19 on: July 17, 2002, 01:24:04 AM »
@Red
I guessed he was shocked for a good reason, because the Prometheus
comes with a registered copy of P96, just like Amithlon, and not like another
polnish product I won't name here.....

Shame that so few were/are so honest when it comes to shareware  :-x
1. Make an announcment.
2. Wait a while.
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4. Wait for someone else to do it.
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Re: CGX supports Radeon
« Reply #20 on: July 17, 2002, 02:32:48 AM »
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But, I DO understand exactly what you are saying, i just don't see why anyone would want to install CGX5 on top of AmigaOS4 even if they could.


What I meant is people who use CGFX4 on 3.X PPC systems. I'm sure there are some who would like a PPC native V5(WOS). Also look at people who love Magellen as a WB replacement. But then again I see your point that these people will probably upgrade to OS4 anyhow.
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Re: CGX supports Radeon
« Reply #21 on: July 17, 2002, 02:39:33 AM »
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who would like a PPC native V5(WOS).


Wouldn't make sense (context switches)
1. Make an announcment.
2. Wait a while.
3. Check if it can actually be done.
4. Wait for someone else to do it.
5. Start working on it while giving out hillarious progress-reports.
6. Deny that you have ever announced it
7. Blame someone else
 

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Re: CGX supports Radeon
« Reply #22 on: July 17, 2002, 06:06:43 AM »
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You can upgrade it, but you may not like the terms if you don't have a PPC or are not interested in MOS, just like noone will be able to upgrade OS3.9 while he is running on a 68k or x86-based emu...


I partially agree, which is why I said more "annoying than unjust".. but I still think that when you rely on a limited number of users for an income, it's better not to annoy them by forcing them down a particular upgrade path - that may or may not be the one they intended to take.  Obviously buyers of the software may not want or (as you point out in other posts) need to upgrade - but for myself.. if I fork over the cash for a product, I like to think I can stay with it for the long haul - not just for my immediate needs.

For example it may not be needed under OS4, but it could be that it's a more efficient set of drivers, and have more options available for the card you're using (fully functional OpenGL for example), and therefore although you may not need it, it would be an improvement over the OS's generic RTG offering.

However you would be right in saying that just because you buy software it doesn't "entitle" you to an upgrade path - the only morally correct thing for a company to do is to provide patches for major bugs (which I see you say are available).
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The system has become busy or unstable.
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If you like, you can wait and see if the \\"system\\" recovers.
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Re: CGX supports Radeon
« Reply #23 on: July 17, 2002, 06:44:39 AM »
This is just what I found on the CGFX HP...

CGX V5 Directly supports the PowerPC under MorphOS. Integral part of MorphOS.
CGX5 is basically a real PowerPC version of CGX4 with even more graphics.library functions replaced to take full advantage of the PowerPC's speed.
AGA/ECS graphics renderings functions have been replaced completely, so there is no limitation on graphics memory anymore (only needs chip memory for display), amiga blitter is unused (This was necessary since AMIGA blitter seems too slow for PowerPC).
CyberGraphX V4 is being worked on and there are no plans to stop upgrading it. Many of the newer drivers and improved things will be remirated back to CGX V4.

So to me it seems like those drives will be made for CGX v4 also... so no prob there... BTW CGX v4 is not that expensive you know
 

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Re: CGX supports Radeon
« Reply #24 on: July 17, 2002, 03:30:13 PM »
Last I checked this was amiga.org - not morphans.org or such.

* MOS isn't AOS, sure it runs classic apps but thats where it ends.

* Isn't Amiga taking them to court ?

* More announcements b4 things materialise ?  History is conveniently forgotten:

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Re: CGX supports Radeon
« Reply #25 on: July 17, 2002, 03:42:47 PM »
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Last I checked this was amiga.org - not morphans.org or such.


And still this site covers news on M$, Apple ......

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MOS isn't AOS, sure it runs classic apps but thats where it ends.


And that makes it of interest, even if you don't want to use it yourself,
as I'm sure you want to informed about the competition too.

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More announcements b4 things materialise ? :


In this case we would have to delete 90% of all news-items.

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History is conveniently forgotten


What history do you mean ?
1. Make an announcment.
2. Wait a while.
3. Check if it can actually be done.
4. Wait for someone else to do it.
5. Start working on it while giving out hillarious progress-reports.
6. Deny that you have ever announced it
7. Blame someone else
 

Offline Allen

Re: CGX supports Radeon
« Reply #26 on: July 17, 2002, 11:10:09 PM »
This is cool!

:-)

Although I myself will never buy/pirate MOS, CGFX is brilliant and has worked flawlessly for me for coming up to 3 years.  

In fact I was VERY disappointed to learn that AOS wil not have CGFX but P96...I am sure there is some reason, probably due to lack of understanding between the parties involved.

Good luck to the CGFX team.  

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Offline Alkemyst

Re: CGX supports Radeon
« Reply #27 on: July 18, 2002, 07:15:44 AM »
well i like P96 over cgfx so im very happy that AOs4 has p96 built in
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Re: CGX supports Radeon
« Reply #28 on: July 18, 2002, 05:15:58 PM »
Why are you so bitterly disappointed that AOS is using P96? Have you ever used P96?

Both RTG systems are very good, and both can use programs written for the others API.

Theres really not all that much between them, in their current versions.
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