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CGX supports Radeon
« on: July 16, 2002, 08:36:12 PM »
There are a number of new VFD CyberGraphX V5 driver projects in the works. One such project has been with ATI. The CyberGraphX V5 driver has been working with the Radeon range of cards from ATI for a few months now. Most all of the real work is now done by the CGX drivers not externally.. such as display setup/init, 2d, ect. This means in time that the driver can be back-ported to run on any PCI adaptors such as the G-Rex PCI adaptor. The Radeon VE and Radeon 7500 models, along with a few others have been tested and are working great. Currently the driver supports the PC based BIOS Radeon cards out of the box. Here is a snapshot of MUIScreenMode running under CGX V5 on a ATI Radeon: Radeon Snapshot VE

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Re: CGX supports Radeon
« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2002, 08:44:02 PM »
CGFX5 will be MOS only. Don't expect an AOS version.
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Re: CGX supports Radeon
« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2002, 08:50:18 PM »
Theres no point in CGX for AOS, because AmigaOS4 will have retargetability built in. No need to patch one in after.

Interestingly Elbox have announced that their 2D drivers for the GeForce 2 are nearing completion.
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« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2002, 08:52:35 PM »
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Theres no point in CGX for AOS, because AmigaOS4 will have retargetability built in. No need to patch one in after.


but won't you still need the driver?
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Re: CGX supports Radeon
« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2002, 09:02:33 PM »
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Theres no point in CGX for AOS, because AmigaOS4 will have retargetability built in. No need to patch one in after.


I disagree but for different reasons. People who shelled out $40USD+ for CGFX4 shouldn't be shafted with no future upgrades. I mean if you pay good money for a RTG system you shouldn't be left out in the cold.
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Re: CGX supports Radeon
« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2002, 09:10:31 PM »
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People who shelled out $40USD+ for CGFX4 shouldn't be shafted with no future upgrades


CGX4 is being consantly updated, so I don't see your problem, and this
driver will be working in a G/Rex, which only run when connected to
a PPC-system (you can connect it to a CS-MKIII, but I ahven't heard of
anybody doing this).

The other PCI-solutions use P96, so no prob here.
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Re: CGX supports Radeon
« Reply #6 on: July 16, 2002, 10:03:32 PM »
One thing I must say I like about MorphOS is that it is using MUI as the default GUI throughout the entire OS...where as AOS is gonna have a mixture of ReAction, Updated GadTools (?? Not sure about this, is this classed as ReAction now?) and PPC MUI...

I hope Amiga Inc. release the specs of the new prefs formats so people can design some MUI prefs for AOS 4. :-)
 

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Re: CGX supports Radeon
« Reply #7 on: July 16, 2002, 10:28:27 PM »
Wow another post from the MOS camp that makes little to no sense . So basicallly your saying theres readon drivers for CGX5 , here a screenshot , all the rest of the scrambled words were to make it seem like some great thing like your ppc mobo usb camera pics.

the window in that screenshot looks damn nasty too
 

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Re: CGX supports Radeon
« Reply #8 on: July 16, 2002, 10:33:02 PM »
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Wow another post from the MOS camp that makes little to no sense .


It makes just as much sense as all the "new OS4-screenshots"-threads.

I don't know whats your problem is ?
They say they got Radeon-drivers -> news
They say they got an USB-stack -> news

They try to "hype" it a bit up -> so does everybody else.

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Re: CGX supports Radeon
« Reply #9 on: July 16, 2002, 10:43:28 PM »
>It makes just as much sense as all the "new OS4->screenshots"-threads.

Last os4 shots post (osnews) made complete sense with no hype. and why are we compairing os4 with this here? why does it have to be brought into the subject.

>I don't know whats your problem is ?

I like my new non misleading and medium-good english.

>They say they got Radeon-drivers -> news

They also say alot of other crap with it to make it sound like *great* work.

>They say they got an USB-stack -> news

Yes and they tried to tell us they were the first ones to take pictures with a usb camera and a  ppc motherboard which was clearly misleading.

>They try to "hype" it a bit up -> so does everybody else.

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« Reply #10 on: July 16, 2002, 11:18:42 PM »
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CGX4 is being consantly updated, so I don't see your problem


The problem is that someone who has committed themselves financially to what is basically a set of hardware drivers with bells on, could quite rightly be entitled to think - "hey I contributed to the development of this software and now I can't upgrade to it!"

IMO that's more annoying than unjust.  Anyway, considering that there are probably only around 10K active Amiga users these days, you'd think they'd want to keep their options open, and not shut out what is likely to be thought of as the mainstream Amiga market.

You know what, it's stuff like this that really p###es me off.  Rivalry between 2 or 3 Amiga platforms?  What TF is that about?  Does anyone think there really is enough Amiga support out there to sustain more than one upgrade path, or are we going to see smaller and smaller splinter groups - all arguing with each other, while the world is blissfully unaware of their existance.  After all why would anyone want to join a community that is busy stabbing each other in the back..

Sorry off topic there, but it does annoy the #### out of me.
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Re: CGX supports Radeon
« Reply #11 on: July 17, 2002, 12:45:34 AM »
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The problem is that someone who has committed themselves financially to what is basically a set of hardware drivers with bells on, could quite rightly be entitled to think - "hey I contributed to the development of this software and now I can't upgrade to it!"


You can upgrade it, but you may not like the terms if you don't have a PPC
or are not interested in MOS, just like noone will be able to upgrade
OS3.9 while he is running on a 68k or x86-based emu.

Can you upgrade Win3.0 to WinXP using your 286 ?

Everyone who bought CGX_V4 did it to serve him on one job and that is
allowing him to run his GFX-card under OS3.x , and CGX_V4 does that,
and won't stop doing it just because V5 is released for a different OS.
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Re: CGX supports Radeon
« Reply #12 on: July 17, 2002, 12:45:44 AM »
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but won't you still need the driver?


The driver would be pretty useless under AOS4, because AOS4 won't have CGX compatible RTG. Thats just life. Presumably as AOS4's RTG is based on P96, it wouldn't be hard for people who have written P96 drivers to convert them for AOS4 (if they need to at all, that is).
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Re: CGX supports Radeon
« Reply #13 on: July 17, 2002, 01:06:02 AM »
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 disagree but for different reasons. People who shelled out $40USD+ for CGFX4 shouldn't be shafted with no future upgrades. I mean if you pay good money for a RTG system you shouldn't be left out in the cold.


But they're not. They'll be able to go and buy MorphOS and use CGX5 on that, if they like. In fact, I'm sure CGX5 integrated into MorphOS will be very nice.

However, native AOS4 RTG would be much better than CGX5 patched-on to AOS4, for the simple reason that AOS4 RTG would be built into the graphics libraries. This is how it should be, and should have been in 1994 :-)

Also, people who bought CGX4 got just what they paid for, CGX4. They shouldn't expect to get CGX5 thrown in.
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Re: CGX supports Radeon
« Reply #14 on: July 17, 2002, 01:14:33 AM »
It's just like someone who paid the shareware-fee for P96 (if there is someone who did that)
protesting that he won't be able to use P96-V4 under MorphOS.
1. Make an announcment.
2. Wait a while.
3. Check if it can actually be done.
4. Wait for someone else to do it.
5. Start working on it while giving out hillarious progress-reports.
6. Deny that you have ever announced it
7. Blame someone else