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Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga Hardware News => Topic started by: reflect on January 28, 2005, 09:51:28 PM
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We are happy to offer an AmigaOne XE repair service for boards with non-functioning USB & DMA/Ethernet.
Before contacting us, please consider the following:
ANY WORK UNDERTAKEN WILL INVALIDATE YOUR WARRANTY AND WILL BE AT YOUR OWN RISK
WE CANNOT OFFER ANY WARRANTY OR EXTEND AN EXISTING WARRANTY
If you still wish the work to be carried out and you understand that it will be at your risk, then please contact us via email.
Once we have received your request, we shall reply with a booking number. You will then be contacted with a request for you to send us your board. When sending the board, please package it carefully, preferably using the original packaging.
Remember to use anti-static precautions when handling your board. Please use an anti-static bag to put the board in. It is also recommended that heavy heatsink/fan combinations are securely wrapped to avoid movement during transit.
It is always wise to insure your parcel.
If you purchased your board directly from Guru Meditation, only payment for the shipping costs are required.
If you did not buy your board from Guru Meditation, the repair work will cost 30 Euros + Shipping.
The repair work will be carried out by professionals.
Turnaround time is approximately 2 weeks from the day that you send us your board.
DO NOT SEND YOUR BOARD WITHOUT HAVING RECEIVED YOUR BOOKING NUMBER.
In tandem with this, we also have a special offer on the Swiftech heatsink. Buy it at the same time and we'll install it for you at no extra cost.
www.gurumeditation.se (http://www.gurumeditation.se).
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Good price, you'll probably get alot of business.
Why doesn't Eyetech honor the warranty though? That's pretty bad.
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Why doesn't Eyetech honour the warranty after some other company has repaired/tried to repair it?
The same as any other company wouldn't honour the warranty if a third party got involved.
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I think this situation for One owners is totally mess.
The One owners have bought a relative expensive product as the One XE is. Then most of the have to stuck with linux and later with an unfinished -quite lovely indeed :-) - Os, but then they get noticed that the hard doesnt go as were supossed to.
Eyetech doesnt make honour the warranty - IMO they will have to solve the problem to every and each one of the One onwners for free of course -
Now some ppl claim there is a workaround relative easy to do, but the owners have to ship worldwide his beloved board to a 3rd party, which voids "warranty" and pay X bucks to get the his Aone working as it was supossed to work when bought...
its totally mess, and at least IMO the fix must be under public domain, because most of users wanna do by themselfs. Anyway, as eyetech doesnt do nothing, the users are under its own right to try.
Just my point of view.
PS: Only clarify that Im not Aone owner
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Considering most XE owners no longer have warranty, this is a good thing(tm) if I may say so myself.
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"Considering most XE owners no longer have warranty, this is a good thing(tm) if I may say so myself."
Yeah. They have stopped selling Xe model, so if they waits another while without freeing the fix, all the owners will be out of warranty, and the very eyetech will can ask for some euro for fix the very same mobbos they sold as fully working condition :P
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IMO they will have to solve the problem to every and each one of the One onwners for free of course -
Something that *no* mobo manufacturer has ever done, in my experience.
AFAIK the workaround involves an IDE card and an ethernet card.
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Why doesn't Eyetech honour the warranty after some other company has repaired/tried to repair it?
The same as any other company wouldn't honour the warranty if a third party got involved.
If the third party is an official dealer, they should be authorised to do warranty repairs. That's not even my point, my point is Eyetech appear to be dodging their responsibilities. If Eyetech were handling warranties there would be no need for 3rd parties.
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FrankB:i think u missunderstood the whole thing but ok i wont bother to explain or whatever.
i do agree that eyetech should warrent the repair jobs ofcourse but ohwell.
anyway i doubt guru meditation will be the only shop in europe /scandinavia to do the fix, im sure some other shop will too soon...its just a matter of time.
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Good price and good news for AmigaOne XE owners. Obviously the warranty isn't worth the paper it's written on, so losing it is no big deal. Shame on Eyetech.
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About 'no Mobo manufacturer' part.. You apparently don't follow Real World too closely.
http://www.apple.com/support/ibook/faq/
Apple Ibook Motherboard Switch program. (ok.. they call it Logic-board.. but it's the same thing)
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=20923
MSI Recalls/replaces batch of Mis-made boards *before* they reach end-users.
etc.. it happens all the time... Everywhere expect in Amigaland.
Beasides: AFAIK your AFAYK is bogus. For lucky ones, those add.on cards have given relif, but they don't fix all the brolems on all the cards. Not to mention other problems (like USB) that aren't affected by adding Sound/Ide/Ethernet cards (at user's expence)
And even then.. Eyetech has not shown responsibility HW manufacturer (as they claim to be) should. They have been sweeping these issues under the rug over two years now.
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Good price and good news for AmigaOne XE owners. Obviously the warranty isn't worth the paper it's written on, so losing it is no big deal. Shame on Eyetech.
Because the standard warranty period is now over?
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@ JoannaK
Your first example involves an unusable computer.
Your second example doesn't specify what the resulting problem would be for the end user, but actually putting the *wrong* part on a piece of equipment does suggest that it will go very much up the creek at one point or another.
And PS: I said "in my experience". I didn't say I had the entire history of motherboard recalls memorised.
How can my "AFAIK" be be "bogus"? Bogus implies I'm trying mislead people.
And even then.. Eyetech has not shown responsibility HW manufacturer (as they claim to be) should. They have been sweeping these issues under the rug over two years now.
Eyetech isn't a motherboard manufacturer. If anything, MAI should have admitted the problem, and you're right, it should have been admitted sooner. AFAIK about the problem, one of the standard tests I run on a new motherboard would have picked that up, a large network transfer to an IDE disk. It's pretty poor that it wasn't picked up. But if my understanding of the problem is accurate, Eyetech should have picked up the problem when they were putting the board through its paces for the first time before making a volume purchase.
And btw, you seem to be trying to attack *me* here. I'm not defending Eyetech's behaviour, I'm just clueing people in on how companies in the real world typically work, and no, it's not with the highest of moral standards.
An example of what is apparently considered pretty standard behaviour - a few years ago, Intel used to sell (and carried on selling until the motherboard was superseded), the Intel D845(can't remember which type, might have been G). Now this model of motherboard had a similar fault, a glaring one that should have been picked up in testing - If the PCI bandwidth usage (including AGP) went over 90MB/sec, the machine crashed. Considering a Windows machine sitting idle will manage to take quite a bit of that through driving the graphics of a high-res display, that's not very difficult. In fact, the same test, a large network transfer over the network, showed up the issue. Intel had *actually* known about the issue for at least a year, it had been confirmed way before I noticed it, but that didn't stop them just (and only) filing a reference to it in the erratum for the motherboard in the developer docs of their website. Customer-friendly, huh?
At the end of the day, the manufacturer decides *could* the product do what it is supposed to be able to, by the average customer's usage of it? Like if the secondary IDE channel can't do DMA to save its life, the average customer can still burn a CD in PIO. It totally sucks performance-wise, but they still can. That's the sort of day-to-day screwing that goes on.
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Only clarify that Im not Aone owner
Infact A1XE is my the best Amiga buy for me. It is fast, perfectly usable. The "unfinished os" is simply KICKING ASS already after the first update.
I have a Sil card and i'm using dma since time, i'm going to get the fix in the future only because i have 5-6 ide drives and i want to use dma on all of them :-)
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As usual the antiAmiga people are doing their trolling through negativity, and probably they have missed to read that tiny sentence on the newsitem:
If you purchased your board directly from Guru Meditation, only payment for the shipping costs are required.
In fact it's not that tiny, relative to the whole text, why they didn't read it, escapes me.
If you are near Guru Meditation you won't even need to paid the shippment I guess.
I was one of the unfortunate persons who bought a defective 80GB Seagate HD model, which overspindled the head, corrupting the bootsector and making the partitions dissapear. I heard it's a firmware flaw. It was manifactured by Seagate but I haven't contacted Seagate about the problem, also I don't think they would answer about this. Neither I tried sending it to them for replacement. Just searched their site for some information about this, but found nothing about the problem, I read it on another site. What I did is that I just took the HD to my vendor told them about the problem and that I want to replace it with another model. So it was replaced with another without any additional cost. I asked what about the data. They just smiled at me.
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@Lemplee & IKIR
Just let me clarify some things.
Its good for XE users that GGS is offering a fix for the mobbo. Its very good indeed since until now they have to put a SIL card in order to get dma and ethernet at the same time.
But, its really a mess situation that eyetech didnt recongniced the fault before (Im not sure about USBs, but DMA related fault its long known) and take care of the stuff the were selling.
For the record, its a mess that eyetech doesnt honeur the warranty with users, at least with DMA fault since they known it.
I think i didnt missunderstod nothing. Its only my point of view.
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DrHirudo wrote:
As usual the antiAmiga people are doing their trolling through negativity...
Not negativity, a little thing called cynicism that we human beings evolved, and found in the more intelligent of our species. (Possibly we evolved it while knocking our head against palm trees to get coconuts, where it was useful to preserve us against giving ourselves brain damage banging our heads against oak trees waiting for coconuts.)
The A1 situation sucks. Having to get an essential repair done when you've just purchased the (very expensive) thing sucks. Having to have your warranty invalidated to get that repair sucks. But what sucks most of all, is whining and labeling people ordinary people "Anti-Amiga" because they realise how crappy the situation is and don't like it.
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Not negativity, a little thing called cynicism that we human beings evolved, and found in the more intelligent of our species.
I respect you ego by saying that your are in the more inteligent part of your human species, but after reading this:
(Possibly we evolved it while knocking our head against palm trees to get coconuts, where it was useful to preserve us against giving ourselves brain damage banging our heads against oak trees waiting for coconuts.)
I must clarify that only someone with extremely poor biological knowedge would say this. But what we know the nonhumans. Whatever back on the topic.
The A1 situation sucks.
Hearing this from a person who doesn't own A1 at all, sounds little untrustworthy at least.
Having to get an essential repair done when you've just purchased the (very expensive) thing sucks.
Can you explain me what essential repair I have to get done with my microAmigaOne?
Can you tell me where I can purchase XE board which will need the repair just after I get it, now?
Having to have your warranty invalidated to get that repair sucks.
Some of the XE boards have been purchased more than two years ago. How their warranty will get invalidated when it have expired already?
But what sucks most of all, is whining and labeling people ordinary people "Anti-Amiga" because they realise how crappy the situation is and don't like it.
If you haven't noticed these ordinary whining and labeling "Anti-Amiga" people have the same names, don't have A1 hardware at all, and some other common among them is that they are posing most of the time their interest in other hardware, which is always irrelevelant to the discussion at all. I understand why this situation sucks for you. This sucks for me as well.
And if you haven't noticed I am being sarcastical, something which is little harder to do than being cynical. If you really believe your evolution theory just go knocking your head and one day your species might get enlightened about this.
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Poster: mikeymike Posted: 2005/1/29 5:15:29
Because the standard warranty period is now over?
ASUS is three year warranty (http://www.asus.com/support/english/techref/warranty/index.aspx), what's Amiga Inc's, ahh, Eyetech, ahh, Teron's mobo warranty?
Dammy
Head Troll
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DrHirudo wrote:
I must clarify that only someone with extremely poor biological knowedge would say this. But what we know the nonhumans. Whatever back on the topic.
You seem not to have realised that I wasn't being strictly factual, for example: a) Coconuts were probably not ever the staple diet of human beings or their forebears; (b) Oak trees are hardly endemic to Africa where it is thought we evolved; and (c) Headbanging is not thought to have been the most productive form of getting down coconuts, even by Man's ancestors; and (d) the coconut palm isn't a tree. But then allegory doesn't need to be always factual, does it?
Can you explain me what essential repair I have to get done with my microAmigaOne?
Can you tell me where I can purchase XE board which will need the repair just after I get it, now?
And can you first tell me where the original article or someone else mentioned microA1s or what they have to do with the close on 600 XE machines already sold or this deal? And what if the new fixed XE's have more bugs that need to be fixed? Obviously we've learned warranty won't cover it, isn't that a bad thing? Why would you choose to overlook this, and instead blame it on the "Anti-Amiga" trolls being negative?
Some of the XE boards have been purchased more than two years ago. How their warranty will get invalidated when it have expired already?
Active keyword, "some". Actually probably the vast majority, but still not "all". Whatever the situation, it's not a good one that ANYONE would have to invalidate a warranty on such an expensive and rare piece of kit, for ANY reason.
If you haven't noticed these ordinary whining and labeling "Anti-Amiga" people have the same names, don't have A1 hardware at all, and some other common among them is that they are posing most of the time their interest in other hardware, which is always irrelevelant to the discussion at all. I understand why this situation sucks for you. This sucks for me as well.
So basically what you're saying is, "If you don't have an A1, you're not allowed to have an opinion on it." Such a marvellous getout clause for not actually having an answer to the concerns raised here. At least you are right about me not having an A1; but I did actually plan to get one, until I was put off by the continous worries over its fitness for use (and price effectiveness), a decision I guess is allegorical to me realising I'd encountered an oak tree. Actually, I'm long since past caring about the A1 or its bugs or even it's users, it's the quick labeling of anyone with any criticism of really iffy situations as "Anti-Amiga" that gets right up my nose.
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@KennyR
That's a pretty long post for being "long since past caring about the A1 or its bugs or even it's users."
These things happen, people. JoannaK mentioned a few recalls, but I'm sitting next to my 3 boxen here, one of which has a VIA KT266 rev. "A" board. Those of you familiar will note that the rev. "B" fixed certain issues with the chipset, but there was definately no recall for any manufacturer making boards with this chipset.
My other spare box has an old AMD-756 chipset (first gen Athlon, Slot A) which also had problems.
When OS4 final is released, I will buy whichever Amiga is available, XE or micro. I will pay a *little* too much, but in the end it's JUST A HOBBY (as Wayne is fond of saying) and honestly... I just don't care. I can make $200 on a good weekend working my part-time job. I'll gladly pay the premium to again have an Amiga, on my KVM switch.
IMHO.
:-)
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I just wanted to point out that this 'essential' repair, isn't essential for everybody.
Until my usage of my A1 becomes obviously impaired by this problem, I won't be getting the fix.
As it gradually becomes my main machine, I may decide to get the fix but only if I feel a need to do so.
At present that need is not there.
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Not negativity, a little thing called cynicism that we human beings evolved, and found in the more intelligent of our species. (Possibly we evolved it while knocking our head against palm trees to get coconuts, where it was useful to preserve us against giving ourselves brain damage banging our heads against oak trees waiting for coconuts.)
mhhh . . . whats wrong with those approach :-?
its dangerous?
grunt! :crazy:
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Fact is, Eyetech doesn't stand behind their products. These bugs have been known for years (ie. during the "warranty period"). Eyetech should have sposored the fixes Instead they did nothing.
Eyetech doesn't care about the Amiga.
I applaud Guru Meditation for offering this service. It's just a shame that the manufacturer doesn't stand behind their product. It's things like this that cause people to leave the Amiga, and keep new users from coming.
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adolescent wrote:
Fact is, Eyetech doesn't stand behind their products. These bugs have been known for years (ie. during the "warranty period"). Eyetech should have sposored the fixes Instead they did nothing.
My understanding of the problem's history is that it was only last year that the problem was properly nailed down to a particular cause.
To say there is a problem with DMA on a motherboard is like a detective trying to track down a criminal, releasing the statement "he's on the planet Earth". To fix a DMA problem on a motherboard requires the problem to be researched down to a specific scenario and cause.
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@mikeymike
Edited by Admin: Personal Attack
These problems did appear during the warranty-period, and therefore it
falls under warranty even if the fix was only found out much later.
Actually this just means that costumers had the right for a full
refund.
But atleast it can now be seen as prooven that atleast one of the
official reasons behind "the licence" was just made up.
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@mikeymike
The fix might have been found last year, but the problems have been known for some time. Even Alan Redhouse confirmed, and said they had pinpointed, the DMA bug way back in Nov. 2003. And, no action to this day.
Eyetech can not be trusted.
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what i would like is the schematics/howtos made available of how to fix the bug. some people will be able to do it themself. why keep the solution secret? does anybody have details? :-?
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Eyetech is the distributor of the AmigaOne boards. God knows who the manufacturer is!
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some people will be able to do it themself.
I sure some are quite capable of performing this fix. There are also some people who think they are quite capable of performing this fix, but are not. Do you really want to see forums full of posts like the screwdriver ROM socket removal?
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Can we discuss this without the smearing and mud slinging?
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If the third party is an official dealer, they should be authorised to do warranty repairs.
Yes, they should be authorized by the manufacturer. Though only Eyetech knows who that is. Eyetech should be providing the authorizer retailers/resellers with a back channel to the manufacturer. They should be trying less to be the front man of a manufaturer they got to produce the boards and more of a distributor.
It might be a better idea for them to separate the two, as they seem to want to be a manufaturer but operate as a distributor at the same time. They may need to separate the A1 production bussiness from their retail/distrobution business. Have a separate business or unit that licences and outsources the production of motherboards and another unit with is just product distrobution/retails sales. They could have Eyetech Industries Ltd. and Eyetech Distrubution Ltd both under Eyetech Group Ltd. I think it would bring clarity of purpose that would help make things work more smoothly.
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they have missed to read that tiny sentence on the newsitem: Quote: If you purchased your board directly from Guru Meditation, only payment for the shipping costs are required. In fact it's not that tiny, relative to the whole text, why they didn't read it, escapes me.
Guru Mediation also mentioned, I think on AW, that other dealer should be offering the same service in the next coming weeks. They just seem to be the first to get things setup. Assuming other dealers offer the same deal for the repair service, then it would be free. That is if your dealer is offering the service. Okay people, contact your dealer you purchased your A1 from and ask about repair service for these issues.
P.S. I'm not sure why if would void an active warranty. Anyone care to ask their dealer?
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Argo: Okay people, contact your dealer you purchased your A1 from and ask about repair service for these issues.
Good idea. Has anyone around here had real-life experience with Eyetech about this issue they'd like to share, instead of just throwing around wild speculation? MIA has already proven to be very unhelpful, but there has to be a real answer, somewhere.
I'd make sense to me for Eyetech to offer free ATA cards as an alternative to shipping back your motherboard. Maybe they'd like to turn this into something positive by making some drivers for a SATA card, allowing AmigaOne users to have SATA? Trust me, once you've used it, you won't want to use ATA100 ever again. :-)
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Mikeymike:
My understanding of the problem's history is that it was only last year that the problem was properly nailed down to a particular cause.
Point of this discussion ain't when *you* heard of those problems, or *if* you'll be able to understand electronics well enough to understand harsh realities behind smoke&mirrors publicicity.
Point is: When those problems were first found (2002- onward depending of BUG.. and there's been plenty) and when they are fixed under warranty? (never so far.. and we're at 2005 now)
If it really takes them two or three years to *Locate* obvious bugs, then it's definitely their lack of interest (or tallent) to blame. Furthermore there is no excuse for keep selling more boards without intention to fix old ones.
PS: About Eyetech. Originally *They* claimed to be Manufaturers of A1 boards.. By now it's well known and widely accepted fact that they didn't have any expertise nor did they do any actual design work (or testing) besides slapping their Name-sticker atop of them.
If this were 5 cent BallpoinPen made in HongKong, I would not care a lot if those don't work more than two weeks.. But for *Thousand* Euro Motherboard I'd expect a *bit* more. Escpeially since they are Tainting the "Good old NAME" with their questionable actions...
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@ KennyR
Actually, I'm long since past caring about the A1 or its bugs or even it's users
Obviously not, otherwise, you would have stayed away from posting. But then, you are one of the "intelligent" part of the species, and probably have to enlighten us poor stupid suckers.
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EntilZha wrote:
Obviously not, otherwise, you would have stayed away from posting. But then, you are one of the "intelligent" part of the species, and probably have to enlighten us poor stupid suckers.
Spare me your crass patronising. The A1's status speaks for itself and hardly needs anyone to make it sound worse. I wouldn't have even bothered to comment in this thread if it wasn't for the tired old "Anti-Amiga" accusation, especially since it has started to become so common again on this site. What you people love to keep forgetting is that there was an Amiga before the "AmigaONE", and that there are many forms of Amiga that don't follow Amiga Inc's licencing. Being critical of the A1 != Anti-Amiga.
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Being critical of the A1 != Anti-Amiga.
Then why the harsh posts from A1 owners directed at Eyetech on Amigaworld.net about the same news ?
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@seer,
At this point, everyone seems to be filled with "cynicism" (some would call it {bleep}) regarding the Amiga situation. After 5 (I would say 8) years of letdowns and broken promises, a certain amount of skepticism is perfectly reasonable and expectable.
Keep in mind though that some (like "Amiga"Zeux members) are being bribed with free machines to perform "guerilla marketing" tactics for the Pegasos platform. As such, anything that those particular people -- including KennyR -- have to say can and should be taken in the correct pretense of supporting their own platform while condemning everything else. Relax, because I would say the same about anyone who receives free AmigaOne hardware then starts attacking Pegasos users on public forums.
Indeed according to posts elsewhere, (at least some) AmigaZeux members have been essentially paid in hardware by Genesi to troll by negativity and anyone who dares to say differently is -- according to them -- obviously just a "stupid Amiga Inc cheerleader".
The fact that MorphOS took a strong hit recently (it's not dead, but definitely lying on the mat following a strong uppercut) simply makes their need to strike out against AmigaOne supporters that much stronger. Now pathetically for some, the Amiga situation has become a game of "if MorphOS doesn't survive, it's my mission to make sure that AmigaOS doesn't survive either".
Let me be very clear. I hate this. I hate the fact that MorphOS has fallen victim to the Genesi curse. Having used MorphOS, it was a very cool alternative to the classic Amiga and while I personally have very serious problems with BBRV, I *hate* seeing the programmers (many of whom I personally consider friends) suffer. Every member of the MorphOS team that I know worked very long and very hard to reach the light at the end of the tunnel, only to be met by an oncoming train.
That doesn't excuse the new wave of "anti-Amiga" trolling launched by those community members who're simply bitter over the MorphOS situation.
Wayne
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a certain amount of skepticism is perfectly reasonable and expectable.
Agreed, but in this case, some/most of these XE boards are AFAIK/IIRC Beta boards, and sold "as is", weren't they ?
As for my response to KennyR, lots of people say "everybody" on AW is only Pro Amiga and nothing bad can be said about Amiga / Eyetech / Hyperion or you're a blue troll. Clearly, this is not true.
Now pathetically for some, the Amiga situation has become a game of "if MorphOS doesn't survive, it's my mission to make sure that AmigaOS doesn't survive either".
I for one hope that MOS stays afloat. It may not get official (kernel) updates, but who knows. OpenMOS anyone ? :-)
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As for my response to KennyR, lots of people say "everybody" on AW is only Pro Amiga and nothing bad can be said about Amiga / Eyetech / Hyperion or you're a blue troll. Clearly, this is not true.
Most of the people involved are being a bit childish and refuse to accept that there are some people (like myself) who strongly believed that both solutions were cool in their own ways. Indeed, if you read the posts of some, such as Kenny Richardson and his counterpart Mike Bouma, they practice a level of... let's call it marketing.. where "if you're not 100% on my side, you are my enemy". A stupid presumption at best.
Both solutions are cool in their own ways. Both have had the same problems, and both are currently trying to survive. This "war" is stupid and the sooner that the extremists in our midst realize that, the sooner both solutions can move forward.
Strangely enough, NOW is the time that ALL egos need to be set aside to work towards the future. Looking at some people's net activity however, it's readily apparent that they think their own ego and "redvsblueism" is the only thing they have left to cling to.
Wayne
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Wow...it's been a while since a saw an old-fashioned blue vs red mudslinging thread. Shall I bring in popcorn or is everybody done now?
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I for one hope that MOS stays afloat. It may not get official (kernel) updates, but who knows. OpenMOS anyone ?
MOS isn't dead, it's just in a new coccoon morphing again..
Wayne
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not trying to sling mud. I'm just trying to make sure that everyone realizes that not everyone here is standing in the open when throwing snowballs. While some are heroically standing in the open field lobbing snow grenades. Others are specifically trying to cower behind walls and attack the other "side" from the safety of their own foxholes.
Only if everyone is out in the open will we see why the war is happening in the first place.
Wayne
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Only if everyone is out in the open will we see why the war is happening in the first place.
To bad the first one(s) to come (came) out into the open are (were) shot down rather fast.
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@seer,
Not sure what (or who)you mean here.
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Nobody in particular, but if "everybody" is needed to come out in the open, one person is usually the first and gets shot.
Looking back at past years were several people tried to get more open they were flamed by the warring people causing them to withdraw and silence any other willing to speak up.
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Poster: Waccoon Posted: 2005/1/29 21:25:28
I'd make sense to me for Eyetech to offer free ATA cards as an alternative to shipping back your motherboard. Maybe they'd like to turn this into something positive by making some drivers for a SATA card, allowing AmigaOne users to have SATA? Trust me, once you've used it, you won't want to use ATA100 ever again.
AmigaOne/OS4 already have a SATA driver, so they can already start using serial ATA drives. It is specific to one chipset for now but still available. See the following link...
http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=1841 (http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=1841)
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Wayne wrote:
Indeed according to posts elsewhere, (at least some) AmigaZeux members have been essentially paid in hardware by Genesi to troll by negativity and anyone who dares to say differently is -- according to them -- obviously just a "stupid Amiga Inc cheerleader".
Wayne, please do not post such scurillous lies.
The "ODW" hardware was given by Freescale, not Genesi. It was given to *developers* to advance the PPC platform, and AmigaZeux are one of the few PPC developer groups (which include other groups like Gentoo development). There was no other reason, political or otherwise, for the hardware. Genesi certainly do not profit, especially since we're not interested in developing anything that could (now) help them sell boards.
AmigaZeux have been pro-MorphOS since 1998, and probably before. Yes, LONG before Genesi.
Your weak assumption that somehow we are being bribed into posting negative statements is not only so far off base it's on the moon, but also blatantly slanderous. It's laughable that I get blamed for making negative assumptions when you just made a monster of one. Especially when you consider my views haven't changed since long before the ODW project.
Oh and yeah, while we're at it, it's ME making these "negative" comments, not AmigaZeux - and I did NOT get a ODW. Hear that whistling sound? That's your conspiracy theory going down in flames.
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Keep in mind though that some (like "Amiga"Zeux members) are being bribed with free machines to perform "guerilla marketing" tactics for the Pegasos platform.
Quite harsh allegation against Freescale. Or maybe you're just exaggerating a bit?
As such, anything that those particular people -- including KennyR
KennyR has not been "bribed" with ODW, he bought his machine. You're suggesting that we're no longer individuals there? Quite an generalization from your part, one might add.
You're insulting everyone's intelligence here.
-- have to say can and should be taken in the correct pretense of supporting their own platform while condemning everything else. Relax, because I would say the same about anyone who receives free AmigaOne hardware then starts attacking Pegasos users on public forums.
Regardless of this taking back a bit, I still consider this the stupidest and most idiotic post from you, ever.
If it would have been some random guy posting it, had it taken more than 5 mins to get moderated as trolling and personal insults?
Indeed according to posts elsewhere, (at least some) AmigaZeux members have been essentially paid in hardware by Genesi to troll by negativity and anyone who dares to say differently is -- according to them -- obviously just a "stupid Amiga Inc cheerleader".
Oh that's just wonderful. Do you have any evidence of this conspiracy, or did you just make it up? Or are you perhaps repeating some nonsense posted by someone else?
Really, if this is what amiga.org has come to, I no longer feel like being part of it.
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Agreed, but in this case, some/most of these XE boards are AFAIK/IIRC Beta boards, and sold "as is", weren't they ?
Then someone should have told the dealers then. Mr. Hardware, Vesalia, Software Hut, etc. have no mention of beta "as is" boards.
Eyetech calls the systems Earlybird. But, they mention this only from a software/firmware standpoint, not huge hardware bugs that cause major functions to be non-working.
Please note however that in buying an Earlybird system you are buying into a product that, from the software/firmware pont of view, inevitably needs further refinement before being able to be sold as a true consumer product. Support for the Earlybird syst tems is provided on mailing lists to which purchasers will be subscribed. However neither we nor the majority of dealers can undertake to give any Linux or UAE support to Earlybird purchasers, whether for motherboards or complete systems.
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Spare me your crass patronising
LOL. You're as underwhelming as ever.
YOU are talking about patronising ? You're the biggest, loudest patronizing troll of all.
The A1's status speaks for itself and hardly needs anyone to make it sound worse.
So ? Seems not, otherwise it wouldn't need trolls like you to pop up all over the place..
Being critical of the A1 != Anti-Amiga
Did I say that ? If you would bother to read what I wrote, you would have noticed that I was only disgusted because you, in your usual inflamatory and arrogant manner, had nothing better to do than put forward yourself as "intelligent" and put down anybody else.
You can never ever make one single post without insulting somebody, or putting somebody down, calling names etc. And you call me "patronizing" ?
What you call "cynical" is just trolling in it's worst form.
No, I'm not accusing you for being "Anti A1". I'm accusing you of just being a clueless troll. If YOU would tone done from time to time, a lot of heat would be gone.
So, in a few years time, when you will finally be coming of age, please let me know.
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Gee, Nothing to say here I guess.
As expected, anyone who speaks out against the Guerilla Marketing arm of Genesi is shouted down as "stupid" and "moronic".
I had more to add, but what's the point. You and your cronies have already decided that no matter what is said, everyone else is wrong, so whether or not you "no longer feel like being part of it" is irrelevant. If you don't want to be here, please. Don't. Just take KennyR and the rest of the gang with you. MorphZone is begging for your input.
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Agreed, but in this case, some/most of these XE boards are AFAIK/IIRC Beta boards, and sold "as is", weren't they ?
That's just not true, please let that myth die.
Only a very small number of "AmigaOne SE" boards were ever sold as "developer boards", and not even for those was the ridiculous notion that any in-development-status was meant to refer to the state, guarantees, quality et c. of the HARDWARE.
You just can't "develop" a motherboard that you've bought. All "AmigaOnes" were sold as fully "certified" (hah!) hardware which end-users were supposed to eventually run AmigaOS4 on.
For more on that, including links and quotes, see e.g. this post (http://flyingmice.com/cgi-bin/squidcgi/mbmessage.pl/amiga/110899.shtml).
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Wayne wrote:
As expected, anyone who speaks out against the Guerilla Marketing arm of Genesi is shouted down as "stupid" and "moronic".
My God, you have a really, really irritating and recurrent habit of deflecting your weaknesses on others.
Remember when this site went very pro-MorphOS in 2003 after your earlier "negative" statements that you wanted nothing to do with these IP thieves? Naive, I believed it was because you believed MorphOS was good and had accepted it as a legitimate AmigaOS solution. Rather, it was because you were a fully fledged Genesi employee. Silly me for being positive. And there's me, who has never been employed by Genesi and owe it nothing, who is rather a shade of blue because he likes MorphOS, having to endure not only your condescending hypocritical lectures, but now your hate-filled slander.
You have absolutely NO right to lecture me on being part of "Genesi's guerilla marketing arm", Wayne Hunt. No right at all.
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EntilZha wrote:
YOU are talking about patronising ? You're the biggest, loudest patronizing troll of all.
Praise from Caesar, Im sure.
Did I say that ? If you would bother to read what I wrote, you would have noticed that I was only disgusted because you, in your usual inflamatory and arrogant manner, had nothing better to do than put forward yourself as "intelligent" and put down anybody else.
You can never ever make one single post without insulting somebody, or putting somebody down, calling names etc. And you call me "patronizing" ?
Look, I insulted no-one here, apart from the presently held concept of viewing justified cynicism as some kind of fatal evil flaw. You chose to turn that comment into an insult, your problem. If you want to think I'm insulting you, your problem. If you've turned over-defensiveness into an artform, your problem. I couldn't care less. Just don't try to make blanket statements like I'm the worst thing that happened to the Amiga community because I think that needing to have an A1's warranty violated to use it as advertised is a really crappy thing, okay?
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@Wayne
Kenny has been an annoying moron when he was red as a cooked lobster,
and that didn't change when turned deep-blue sometime in 2003.
He may call himself a memember of amigazeux, and it may be that the
other memebers agree on that, but that still doesn't mean he is the
official amigazeux-spokesperson.
The group is one of the last productive groups in this market, and
therefore some of it's productive members received an ODW.
Contary to what you may believe, getting a free ODW does not mean you
have to praise BBRV on a daily basis, actually I didn't sign a single
paper or haven't received a single email from BBRV eversince I got
mine some months ago.
The real problem is that some people want to hide away the obvious
lack of basic support from Eyetech by blaming it all on "those blue
trolls" instead of answering the problem at hand.
And just for the record, I might agree with some of what Kenny says,
but nothing will ever stop me from seeing him as an annoying moron ;)
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I've just got one thing to add to this miserable thread : Action speaks louder than words.
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@Wayne
We are all individuals and should be regarded as ones. Being part of certain loose group (say, #amigazeux), shouldn't taint the person or the group.
I'm really saddened to see such generalization from your part. I've always tried to stay clear of obvious trolling and baiting (well, perhaps except in case of certain mr doommaster), but this time I just couldn't stand by to see such trash (trash in my opinion) go uncommented.
Labeling and insulting people is rude and low. You know this.
I promise I will try my best giving your future posts the credit they reserve. With this, maybe I can still stay.
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Mister Richardson,
I have every right to say anything I damned well please. See the name on the WHOIS lookup. It ain't yours, so as I've said to you before, if you don't like it, don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. end of story.
Only difference is, I've admitted my mistakes, you're still denying yours.
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Keep in mind though that some (like "Amiga"Zeux members) are being bribed with free machines to perform "guerilla marketing" tactics for the Pegasos platform.
Pfffft. That is hilarious. Eyetech or MAI Logic can send their boards if they want to. Genesi and Freescale can send their HW if they want to. However if it was not Peg my main interest would be getting MorphOS to run on it. In fact the most of us were MorphOS supporters before Pegasos HW hitted the market. Amiga Inc and Ben Hermans (his stupid MorphOS is based on stolen source code lie) trying to kill MorphOS made it only easier to us.
Everyone dont like MorphOS, and everyone dont like AmigaOS 4, but everyone loves or used to love the original Amiga. Not that one raped by Amiga Inc.
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To Guru Meditation and the starters of this thread,
I apologize for going off-tangent. I'm very happy to see SOMEONE stepping up to address the problems.
I am just sick of the hidden agendas and trolling by negativity from particular members of this thread. I personally would rather be the sole visitor to this site than to let them continue to use Amiga.org to slam everything except their chosen choice.
Maybe if we can make them understand the damage being done, they'll just go away and leave this site to the real Amiga users who actually want to be here. Generalizing, sure. Whatever. The parable of a duck comes to mind.
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Some days I think we're running a kindergarden...
Is everyone ready for nap time? It sounds like you are.
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Sounds good. BTW Chris, feel free to mod me any time you need to. I have strong opinions and sometimes they go astray just like everyone else. I'm a very emotional person right now, and I tend to laser-light my targets too easily. I just want the stupid trolling by negativity to stop. If you're not a fan of something, and you're not going to buy one, then shut the hell up and let people discuss it who want to.
As a mod, you can take any action you feel is necessary.
Wayne
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There are also some people who think they are quite capable of performing this fix, but are not. Do you really want to see forums full of posts like the screwdriver ROM socket removal?
sure, people might screw it up, even guru meditation say they might screw it up (there is no guarantee).
i did the uboot upgrades myself as well (my rom was protected). i did not have problems, because i knew what i was doing.
so because there are people with no knowlegde on the subject, others shouldn't be allowed to either? that makes no sense. :-o
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KennyR: What you people love to keep forgetting is that there was an Amiga before the "AmigaONE", and that there are many forms of Amiga that don't follow Amiga Inc's licencing. Being critical of the A1 != Anti-Amiga.
It's the damned, old-fashioned, unwritten law of the land... "Thou shalt not be critical of the people in charge."
I could go into some "Anit-War != Unpatriotic" rant, but I'm sure people know this already... I hope.
Herewegoagain: AmigaOne/OS4 already have a SATA driver, so they can already start using serial ATA drives. It is specific to one chipset for now but still available. See the following link...
Cool. So, when do Amiga users get the hardware for free if they don't want to ship their mobos in the mail and wait a few weeks?
Also, does it support all the stuff offered by SATA, such as hot-swapping, or is it just a PATA to SATA bridge?
I've have heard some things about the SiI3112A chip corrupting information in RAID configuration from various Linux forums, though. Anyone know about this problem?
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just to mention something thats pretty important here:
PHASE 5 / DCE / BPLAN never fixed my hardware , they claimed they did and that it was lost after that, later on i shipped another item for repair and after they recived i never got a single mail.
I KNOW ALOT OF THE PEOPLE ARGUING HERE AND TROLLING EXPERIENCED THE VERY SAME THING! , and guess what i'm atleast getting my hardware which i paid for REPAIRD/FIXED. (and for FREE TOO)
As for the warrenty , my 1200 got opened the same day i got it and i broke the seal .... later on i added a internal hardrive myself and so on... no warrenty..oooh my heart still havent rested... and its over 12 years ago...
GROW UP guys..
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Good (for Amiga XE users) to see Guru stepping into the breach where
Eyetech should be. As far as the rest of the negativity in the thread,
the only target should be Eyetech, not each other, not Wayne, not
Amiga.org etc.
Steve
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so because there are people with no knowlegde on the subject, others shouldn't be allowed to either? that makes no sense.
Hey, if you don't mind a forum implosion, cool. Also, even if you are knowledgeable and qualified to do the repair at home, there is a chance you could damage your board. If someone else is getting paid to fix it and they screw up, they still have to make it right. The home fix either gets you a fixed board or a dead/damaged board. That paid reseller fix always gets you a fixed working board. Basically a matter of insurance against the risk.
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Has anyone thought of where Gure Meditation got the technical information for performing this fix?
or asked them?
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;-)
Banned From Argo (http://www.ovff.org/pegasus/songs/banned-from-argo.html)
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Point is: When those problems were first found (2002- onward depending of BUG.. and there's been plenty) and when they are fixed under warranty? (never so far.. and we're at 2005 now)
No, the point is that you don't have a clue! The problems the rework fixes was identified and corrected last summer. I don't know when the USB issues were first discovered, but I know perfectly well when the problem was diagnosed and fixed.
If it really takes them two or three years to *Locate* obvious bugs, then it's definitely their lack of interest (or tallent) to blame. Furthermore there is no excuse for keep selling more boards without intention to fix old ones.
Hm, without any working DMA drivers for IDE there was no way of locating any problem. Fact is that the problem was located a couple of weeks after the the inital reports came. And the solution took about 2 months before it was finished, mostly due to the fact that no one could spend their full time on this.
rgds,
Stefan
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PHASE 5 / DCE / BPLAN never fixed my hardware
So... Eyetech shouldnt either? Lets make a deal. Noone whines Eyetech and noone whines P5 or DCE and noone whines bPlan if their future products have problems. Just play happy and smile :-)
As for the warrenty , my 1200 got opened the same day i got it and i broke the seal ....
Btw did you know that "warranty void if opened" stickers dont have effect in all countries?
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Ah...so waht of all that extensive testing and debugging
with linux then? (The text of which has 'mysteriously' disappeared
from Eyetech's webpage...)
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>PHASE 5 / DCE / BPLAN never fixed my hardware ,
What has bPlan todo with any of your HW ?? Nothing !!
What have the other 2 have to do with this thread ? Nothing .......
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>PHASE 5 / DCE / BPLAN never fixed my hardware ,
What has bPlan todo with any of your HW ?? Nothing !!
What have the other 2 have to do with this thread ? Nothing .......
The way I see it is that Lempkee is trying to prophetise the future. By comparing Phase5 to Eyetech and GuruMediataion to DCE ???
IMHO that don't quite work (and Bplan has nothing to do with it..) but an idea of Eyetech been gone ain't totally unimaginable.
Note.. This ain't my idea. I have heard many times (and allways from 'reds') that the *key* reason Eyetech ain't fixing things is that they don't have any money left.
I wonder.. If they don't have money for fixing old boards, howcome they would have money for future production design/manufacturing?
JKD: They didn't understand importance of Linux testing in 2002..nor 2003 (by the time I gave up) nor apparently 2004 either.. I would not expect too much from any more.
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Seehund wrote:
I wonder who could possibly keep a straight face while claiming to be offended by my post (especially in light of this news item, and some of the red/blue campist ad hominem nonsense that's left unmoderated right here in this thread)? Eyetech? Possibly. Just possibly though. But they're not Admins here. In that case these news must go, as they would fit whatever weird definition of "trolling" that's being used here.
Welcome to the "other side" guerilla marketing wing.
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Let me re-ask a question:
Has anyone around here had real-life experience with Eyetech about this issue they'd like to share, instead of just throwing around wild speculation?
Seems "f94sbu" is the only one to even mention any kind of official solution at all, even if he didn't mention any specifics.
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Eyetech should be providing the authorizer retailers/resellers with a back channel to the manufacturer. They should be trying less to be the front man of a manufaturer they got to produce the boards and more of a distributor.
It might be a better idea for them to separate the two, as they seem to want to be a manufaturer but operate as a distributor at the same time. They may need to separate the A1 production bussiness from their retail/distrobution business. Have a separate business or unit that licences and outsources the production of motherboards and another unit with is just product distrobution/retails sales. They could have Eyetech Industries Ltd. and Eyetech Distrubution Ltd both under Eyetech Group Ltd. I think it would bring clarity of purpose that would help make things work more smoothly.
I read that and had to laugh, not because you're wrong, but we're talking about, what? 3 guys in a garage? The only thing any of that would change is a few of the papers in the filing cabinet.
:-P
("3 guys" wasn't meant literally, that's not a dig at Eyetech.)
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I'm tired of this crap, it's gone over more than 100x times. The popcorn and soda is beginning to jam my throat now.
Why the hell can't Amiga Inc. and Genesi realize that there is no room for both? It's like to burglars robbing the same car...only one stereo to take. Egoes that are out of proportion and silly stubborness is the only reason for this war. But it has become a locked situation, whoever survives will get monopoly over a 1000-2000 worldwide userbase. yippie.
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@Waccoon
Poster: Waccoon Posted: 2005/1/30 17:53:23
Cool. So, when do Amiga users get the hardware for free if they don't want to ship their mobos in the mail and wait a few weeks?
Also, does it support all the stuff offered by SATA, such as hot-swapping, or is it just a PATA to SATA bridge?
I've have heard some things about the SiI3112A chip corrupting information in RAID configuration from various Linux forums, though. Anyone know about this problem?
Well, the cards are cheap enough (~$15-$18USD) so it's not too expensive if one has to actually buy it.
About the SATA, it's not a PATA->SATA bridge, as that would be physical hardware. It is a fully functioning SATA driver for SATA PCI cards... Well, it doesn't support the RAID function under OS4, as I understood it, but other than that it features all of the other SATA benefits.
As far as data corruption under Linux with that chipset... ? I have no idea.
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("3 guys" wasn't meant literally, that's not a dig at Eyetech.)
3? Where did the other 2 guys from? :-?
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@Morley,
Couldn't have said it better myself, though I wish I had. Thank you.
While I hope for the best, there is no future for an Amiga community following either platform at the current time, especially since they simply can't get along.
As such, I'm sincerely thinking about ripping down the whole site and rewriting it as merely a place to come and find information about the Classic Amiga. Maybe then we can just ignore the Boumas and Richardsons who have continually demonstrated their determination and willingness to destroy what's left of already microscopic community.
Wayne
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I'm still not sure how or why Genesi got in to this, erm, discussion.
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As such, I'm sincerely thinking about ripping down the whole site and rewriting it as merely a place to come and find information about the Classic Amiga. Maybe then we can just ignore the Boumas and Richardsons who have continually demonstrated their determination and willingness to destroy what's left of already microscopic community.
I am sorry Wayne but the accusations you have made against the AmigaZeux group do not make you any better than Mike or Kenny.
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I cannot believe a handful of people here and on other sites accusing anyone of having a negative comment about the A1/Eyetech as being a blue troll. What's quite amazing is some of the people being accused this are long term A1 owners and long term users of the official A1 support site.
There is absolutely no hope for the Amiga market, even as a mini niche. A flawed product cannot be commented on even by the very people who shelled out huge $$ for it, without being shouted down as a heretic?
Mind you thre doesn't seem to be a blue/red divide anymore, there is a new split happening right now. The slit seems to be:
Group A - A1 owners and non owners pissed at flaws and nonresponse of the self proclaimed manufacturer
Group B - Defenders of Eyetech to the last breath, regardless of any laws or ethical questions
There are subplots, but this seems to be the major shift.
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Group C - Those who don't care whether or not Eyetech, Hyperion, Genesi, bPlan et al survive at all, but are absolutely fracking sick to death of hearing people {bleep} and whine about the same problems that have been documented for three years or more.
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AmigaOne/OS4 already have a SATA driver, so they can already start using serial ATA drives.
Err... no. The SATA driver has not been publically released so SATA is, for the vast majority of A1 owners, not an option.
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oh, jesus christ!
when i see all this whining and crying i just want to slap everybody's face.
Have you all forgotten the "real world"??
you know....the one where 220,000 plus people died in a tsunomi last month?
why waste all this passion on something that really doesn't matter?
just stop it.
and if you see someone that just can't drop it....IGNORE, IGNORE, IGNORE.
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ITIX: so i guess your opening your hardrives before you buy them and touch the disk(s) inside and then if they spin good you actually buy them?
so what happened when you delivered back hdd's or any hardware which you opened and broke the seal?
Did they say, AAAAAH yes youre from "that" country...hey its ok , we know you didnt open the hardware as we take your word for it..
The stickers are put there as a note to make your brain realize you shouldnt break it/open/enter , so what does theese countries say when its a "WARNING DO NOT ENTER, RADIOACTIVITY bla bla"
anyway im off topic :-)
my point in the earlier post was, we can get the hw fixed if we want but as always people find it negative thus they failed to remeber the bppc/csppc scandal.
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cecilia: they said 260.000 on the news here.
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Poster: DrBombcrater Posted: 2005/1/31 11:24:27
Err... no. The SATA driver has not been publically released so SATA is, for the vast majority of A1 owners, not an option.
Hmmm... Looks like you are correct. I was sure that that news item originally had a download link, but looking over it, I see that I'm mistaken. But, there is a driver that is already working, just not publically available yet.
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@Thread
POTATO !!! :crazy:
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POTATO !!!
I think that pretty much sums it up.
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oh, jesus christ!
when i see all this whining and crying i just want to slap everybody's face.
Have you all forgotten the "real world"??
you know....the one where 220,000 plus people died in a tsunomi last month?
While this event is tragic, it's not related to the topic on hand. And unless Eyetech was directly affected by the disaster some 2 years ago it doesn't change the fact that they have not acted responsibly.
I find your whining about the whining worse than the whining in the first place.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Mine is simple. Eyetech is a bad company that doesn't give a crap about their users, the Amiga, or the community.
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Huh? Did I miss a memo?
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I have to admit to being disappointed with Eyetech on their handling of their customers, but I'm also disappointed to see this kind of suicidal thread.
The antics of the companies in the Amiga market certainly put some users off, but I suspect this kind of bad-tempered, aggressive and unpleasant behaviour by the community did the Amiga no favours either.
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I agree, and I apologize to all involved whom I might have offended in this thread.
Whether or not I'm even partially justified in my now-extreme frustration is irrelevant. The "Amiga situation" is pretty much frustrating for everyone in every direction. In my case, the frustration is compounded by personal issues as well as the continued trolling and abuse by certain members of the site, as well as the different perspectives held by different people.
I also perhaps perceive MorphOS supporters as being on the defensive since Genesi dropped MorphOS where such a stance might not exist for certain individuals. I really guess I should stop reading the other troll-guided "Amiga" sites because it really, really upsets me on a personal level to see former friends moronically tearing each other apart in a stupid "us versus them" war.
There is no way to "force" everyone to behave like the Amiga community of 1989, and I just need to give up the ideals that anyone can (or even should) agree on the issues involved here.
Just think about this (as I promise I will try to in the future) before posting. Every one of the companies involved has serious problems. All of them. In most cases, the problems experienced by each company are even very similar to the others (no money, no market). Amiga Inc? Logistically bankrupt. Genesi? Logistically bankrupt. Eyetech's board? problematic. MorphOS? homeless. I could continue, but why? Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to start a fight here. My only point is that these problems DO exist, if only in perception.
As such, since all known problems have been on the table for years now -- even if some of them are just coming to public light -- is there any real reason to continue dredging up all the crap of the past?
Neither AI(KMOS)/Eyetech/Hyperion or Genesi/bPlan/MOS-team will succeed if we don't stop trying to rabidly defend them by beating up on the "other" side. Wherein I think I got confused was that I was trying to force people to stop slamming either group, but that came (falsely) across as "blindly defending Eyetech".
Let me say something, and try to be as clear about it as possible. I don't "support" any of the companies involved. I hope all are successful, but there will be winners and there will be losers. My best hope is that everyone involved will drop the ego-driven {bleep} and work together to create a cheap, standardized computer for everyone. Since I have a better chance of selling ice cream cones in Hell, I guess there's really no chance of that happening. Sad really...
In the last few weeks due to problems in my own life, I have seemingly forgotten the first rule, and that is to try and understand as well as respect different perspectives of the site's members. For that, I apologize.
Wayne
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I have to admit I mostly read "discussions" like this, as an observer, which pretty much happen on another sites, where some of the posters can remain anonymous, and I always try to stay away from them because as evidenced here, everyone with *any* different opinion can be crucified by someone else who doesn't have the same view of the subject, especially if he is a known person. I also sorry that I posted here, by seeing what came after. But the response is quite understandable. The Amiga is no longer mainstream platform for more than 12 years now. The Amigans who left got so much passionate about their platform after all these years. While the people from the other parts of the computer world have cheap hardware, good software base, and decent support, we have to put much more money for slower solutions and no support at all. And this won't change. Not only this, but there is always a risk. The people who bought the AmigaOne XE took the risk of buying untested betaboards for the sake of seeing the platform advance. I am glad they did that because without them probably there wouldn't be any AmigaOS4 version available, even as prerelease. I wish to thank them all for taking the risk. And as shown there they are not left alone.
Currently the Amiga doesn't have any enemies, since nobody of the outside cares anylonger about it, not to mention pretty much nobody even remembers it, except the Amigans themselves, who got divided long time ago. And that's the main problem.
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@Wayne
I'll buy one ice cream cone, please.
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Currently the Amiga doesn't have any enemies, since nobody of the outside cares anylonger about it, not to mention pretty much nobody even remembers it, except the Amigans themselves,
Try posting any Amiga related story on slashdot.. See what happens :-)
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Try posting any Amiga related story on slashdot.. See what happens
Hell. Try posting a Linux story on slashdot.. See what happens...
There are simply some places -- and I'm sorry to say that due to my own actions, this site may have seemed like one recently -- where it's not worth going.
Wayne
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Wayne: Since your most critical post appeared so soon after my first comment on this thread, I tend to think I was among your's intented targets...
I can't talk for others, but I try to keep same standards for *All* companies/projects involved. If you'll check my comments related to Mos-development/developers on MorphZone you'll see I'm not been praising the way Zapek/Stunzi situation has been 'handled'. Nor that I'd be reallyhappy to see these 'delays' been hidden from users for well orver a year.
I sold my Pega2 last April/May cause I was disappointed the progress on Mos and applications (Hw was nice). Since then I have had none of these systems and without *major* improving it'll be highly unlikly I'll have one anytime soon.
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Joanna,
To be perfectly honest, you hadn't even crossed my mind, nor had I even realized you're posted.
Wayne
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Ah... It was just really bad timing. Sorry
Anyhow.. IMHO it's good that people can discuss about these pboblematic issues relating to companies and products available at the market. And not just Praise and echo 'corporate info' but also question and debate earlier made decisions and company future plans.
Of course some there will be overreacting time to time and people tend to be highly sensitive about their previous comments (usually made in different situation and with partial information) ... Not to mention those Real-Bad-days we all have sometimes.
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Anyhow.. IMHO it's good that people can discuss about these pboblematic issues relating to companies and products available at the market. And not just Praise and echo 'corporate info' but also question and debate earlier made decisions and company future plans.
I can't disagree with that, but {bleep}ing about the same exact things for three fricking years? Isn't there a statute of limitations on stupidity?
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I can't disagree with that, but {bleep}ing about the same exact things for three fricking years? Isn't there a statute of limitations on stupidity?
Nope. Some people are plain idiots, nothing to do about it.
Allthough I have chosen for the AmigaONe / OS 4 road I have never felt the need to take a dig at MorphOS/Pegasos.
After these 3 years some people seem to have a 15 centimeter thick lead plate in front of their head that they can't see that on both platforms things have happened that only hurt the end user.
So spouting a load of crap is totally useless.
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I agree with the Slashdot thing though. On that site everything is bad if it's not Linux and you don't have the same ideas as they have. Which are offcourse ubergod ideas. :-)