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Title: Photos of ArticiaS and April chip
Post by: jedi on December 06, 2002, 10:56:38 AM
From MorphOS-News.de (http://www.morphos-news.de) :

Here are 2 photos of the ArticiaS (by Mai Logic (http://www.mai.com)) with the April chip (by bPlan-GmbH (http://www.bplan-gmbh.de) of Genesi).

Photo 1 (http://privat.schlund.de/B/Bikedemon/aa2.jpg) & Photo 2 (http://privat.schlund.de/B/Bikedemon/aa1.jpg).


Title: Re: Photos of ArticiaS and April chip
Post by: catohagen on December 06, 2002, 11:22:37 AM
"We were very pleased to have worked with Mai Logic on this development," said Gerald Carda, Chief Technology Officer of bplan. "Through our collaborative efforts, we were able to leverage Mai’s expertise in PowerPC-based chipset/system development and manufacturing technologies and our own knowledge of system design, architecture and software to bring the April development to a successful conclusion. The Articia and April can be used together to promote an exciting alternative platform for the desktop, portable computer and sub-notebook marketplace.

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if you see at the amigaone/teron cx, there is a capasitor thats right where one of the two april chips are placed.

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so this chip won't fit on the amigaone/teron cx, so April(tm) is for pegasos, and Mai worked out their own solution, or
are making the changes/fixes into the chip itself ?
Title: Re: Photos of ArticiaS and April chip
Post by: jedi on December 06, 2002, 11:30:12 AM
"so this chip won't fit on the amigaone/teron cx, so April(tm) is for pegasos, and Mai worked out their own solution, or are making the changes/fixes into the chip itself ?"

I like this question ;)
Title: Re: Photos of ArticiaS and April chip
Post by: zacman on December 06, 2002, 11:38:48 AM
>so this chip won't fit on the amigaone/teron cx, so
>April(tm) is for pegasos, and Mai worked out their
>own solution, or are making the changes/fixes into
>the chip itself ?

Indeed a very good question. ;-)
Only less than 24 more hours...
Title: Re: Photos of ArticiaS and April chip
Post by: HyperionMP on December 06, 2002, 11:56:41 AM
There is an incorrect assumption here that the A1/Teron actually needs the April chip.

This isn't the case.

Stay tuned for more info.
Title: Re: Photos of ArticiaS and April chip
Post by: Elektro on December 06, 2002, 12:05:49 PM
I was wondering the same thing. Pegasos and the teron board don't have the same design so this fix may only be needed for the pegasos.
Title: Re: Photos of ArticiaS and April chip
Post by: zacman on December 06, 2002, 12:06:34 PM
>There is an incorrect assumption here that the >A1/Teron actually needs the April chip.
>This isn't the case.
>Stay tuned for more info.
 
We already know. You will fix it in OS4
kernel/Firmware (Alan).

Aachen will be fun ;)
Title: Re: Photos of ArticiaS and April chip
Post by: Step on December 06, 2002, 12:42:03 PM
? question
Has Mai made a press release regarding anything bplan/thendic, i cant find any on their site.
Someone has a link ?
Title: Re: Photos of ArticiaS and April chip
Post by: jedi on December 06, 2002, 12:58:30 PM
"? question
Has Mai made a press release regarding anything bplan/thendic, i cant find any on their site."

Industrial affairs does not need to be public.
Title: Re: Photos of ArticiaS and April chip
Post by: Elektro on December 06, 2002, 01:05:24 PM
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Has Mai made a press release regarding anything bplan/thendic, i cant find any on their site.


No. There is also nothing to be found in regards to April...
Title: Re: Photos of ArticiaS and April chip
Post by: jedi on December 06, 2002, 01:08:32 PM
"No. There is also nothing to be found in regards to April..."

Industrial affairs does not need to be public.
Title: Re: Photos of ArticiaS and April chip
Post by: Elektro on December 06, 2002, 01:11:46 PM
Your posts "does not need to be public."
Title: Re: Photos of ArticiaS and April chip
Post by: jedi on December 06, 2002, 01:15:41 PM
@Elektro:

...
Title: Re: Photos of ArticiaS and April chip
Post by: anarchic_teapot on December 06, 2002, 02:18:13 PM
Quote
Industrial affairs does not need to be public.

Neither, to be honest, does announcing that you've hacked up a couple of GAL to patch a couple of bugs until the chip manufacturer has time to produce chips with the fixes built-in.

Eyetech quietly informed the members of its Yahoogroups list of a similar chip on the A1 mobos some time before. They didn't feel they urge to blow trumpets, parade and preen, while conveying bugger all except FUD.
Title: Re: Photos of ArticiaS and April chip
Post by: Elektro on December 06, 2002, 02:25:15 PM
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@Elektro: ...


What? You insulted now? I have more...
Title: Re: Photos of ArticiaS and April chip
Post by: jedi on December 06, 2002, 02:36:21 PM
@Rose:

"Eyetech quietly informed the members of its Yahoogroups list of a similar chip on the A1 mobos some time before. They didn't feel they urge to blow trumpets, parade and preen, while conveying bugger all except FUD."

I'm very happy for Eyetech.
Title: Re: Photos of ArticiaS and April chip
Post by: odin on December 06, 2002, 02:42:28 PM
ROTFL  :roflmao:

And AGAIN an empty newsposting :-)
Title: Re: Photos of ArticiaS and April chip
Post by: Wilse on December 06, 2002, 03:42:59 PM
Anyone want to se a picture of my new chips?
Complete with battered fish, two pickled onions, salt 'n' vinegar, a burnt roll and a bottle of Irn Bru? ;-)

Provides a perfect fix for the 'hunger' bug.

Fish Supper - that's my GAL. :smack:
Title: Re: Photos of ArticiaS and April chip
Post by: redrumloa on December 06, 2002, 04:31:55 PM
chittt...chittt...[color=FF0000]BOOM[/color]

The sound of someone shooting themself in the foot.

Guess who?
Title: Re: Photos of ArticiaS and April chip
Post by: Elektro on December 06, 2002, 04:46:10 PM
Your avatar?

 :-D  :-D
Title: Re: Photos of ArticiaS and April chip
Post by: redrumloa on December 06, 2002, 04:53:22 PM
Quote
Your avatar?


LOL! He must have had terrible aim if he was going for the foot :-D
Title: Re: Photos of ArticiaS and April chip
Post by: KennyR on December 06, 2002, 05:56:10 PM
The April chip affair sort of reminds me of typical Buck rhetoric: "We are the only ones who can do things right. Everyone else can't, and even if it turns out they can their solution must be crap anyway."
Title: Re: Photos of ArticiaS and April chip
Post by: Alkemyst on December 06, 2002, 08:13:05 PM
This whole chip thing is to get PR for the show this week end.
 
this fix could of been mentioned sometime ago but it was all about timmimg to put ppl off the Aone & to get ppl to panick & buy a Pegosos.
Title: Re: Photos of ArticiaS and April chip
Post by: Argo on December 06, 2002, 09:22:25 PM
True, the two boards of of different size thus different design. Not to mention different firmware and software.

Staying tuned.

P.S. Why would MAI be signing deals to distribute if their Artica chipset didn't work as advertized?
Title: Re: Photos of ArticiaS and April chip
Post by: jumpship on December 06, 2002, 09:56:28 PM
So this "April" chip is nothing more then the Artica S on a bit of board and a couple of Gals/Pals?

Uh huh....  :-?
Title: Re: Photos of ArticiaS and April chip
Post by: cdfr on December 06, 2002, 11:39:24 PM
"Neither, to be honest, does announcing that you've hacked up a couple of GAL to patch a couple of bugs until the chip manufacturer has time to produce chips with the fixes built-in.
Eyetech quietly informed the members of its Yahoogroups list of a similar chip on the A1 mobos some time before. They didn't feel they urge to blow trumpets, parade and preen, while conveying bugger all except FUD. "

LIES LIES LIES

It was announced, it was written on their website before Thendic/Bplan made any announcement.

Bplan find the bug, go to MAI, find a solution provide it to MAI.
Then,Eyetech announce they have fixed board  :-x

Bplan find other bugs and then create the April chip

I'am very sad with the last Alan posts.
First SARL and EURL companies are the most common in France.
Then Thendic HAS very good  technical people that work as permanent employees. I would never dare to compare them to an Amigaone betatester who is a 40 years old lady that know nothing about computers.

If you really want to speak about weak companies let's speak about Hyperion next time ...
Title: Re: Photos of ArticiaS and April chip
Post by: Alkemyst on December 07, 2002, 12:50:13 AM
"If you really want to speak about weak companies let's speak about Hyperion next time ..."

Proof pls ?
Title: Re: Photos of ArticiaS and April chip
Post by: Hattig on December 07, 2002, 01:29:28 PM
What a pile of FUD and insults from a Genesi apologist.

Grow up whiner. Hyperion and Eyetech have had just as much input as bGenesiThendicPlan on finding faults with the Artica-S and creating fixes for the problem. They didn't make a massive press release and post it on all the damned amiga websites they could find, raising expectations and all that. That is microsoftian tactics, and these do not belong in the amiga market.

And what is weak about Hyperion? They have proved themselves extremely capable already of handling the OS creation, and of creating a BIOS that can handle ALL generic PCI and AGP cards, and this is the BIOS that MAI are using for their boards now.
Title: Re: Photos of ArticiaS and April chip
Post by: SlimJim on December 07, 2002, 03:54:24 PM
Hmm.
 
As I understand it, there was an original (relatively serious)
bug of the ArticiaS, first discovered when used in a
desktop machine. Eyetech solved this with a chip on their
boards (looking somewhat different on the AONE-SE and the -XE).
 Later, smaller, bugs of the board was considered
normal "day-to-day" considerations for such a relatively
new (desktop) board - something to be taken care of in
 software (in AOS4).
 
The theory of Alan (who, we must remember,  is a
competitor to Thendic) was that the hardware fix made
for the Pegasos (similar to the hardware fix on AOne)
had for some physical fitting reasons to have two GALs,
whereas they opted to include the software fix in the
spare space instead of doing it in the OS later. This
theory fits to some extent with Bill Buck mentioning that
"...it should really be done in hardware, not software...".

Guess we'll have to wait and see if BPlan has indeed
discovered some, to Eyetech unknown, mega-bug to
which they have the ultimate solution, or not. The fact
remains though, that if the April fix is indeed only to the
 problems outlined above, testing it on an AmigaONE
without AOS4 (and the software fix it will supposedly
 incooperate) is a rather moot exercise.
.
SlimJim
Title: Re: Photos of ArticiaS and April chip
Post by: Alkemyst on December 07, 2002, 07:15:23 PM
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amigaone/message/22895
 
I agree with Alan