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Title: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient. (Updated)
Post by: AmigaMance on February 02, 2007, 02:16:59 AM
Title: Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient.
Post by: InTheSand on February 02, 2007, 02:30:56 AM
@AmigaMance: useful info, thanks!

@Piru: I wonder who you're referring to?!  :lol:

 - Ali
Title: Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient.
Post by: AMC258 on February 02, 2007, 03:19:45 AM
Some points about PFS, which I use religiously.

There is no real nead to de-frag it, it is naturally self-defragging.  As a developer using a compiler that is a stupid unix-port, I partake in disk activity that would fragment FFS to the point of failure.  Occasionally, when writing a file, it will take a minute instead of a few seconds.  That is PFS doing some housecleaning.  Whenever it's not doing that, it's lightning fast.

The scary part about PFS is that PFSDoctor is not quite as reliable as something like DiskSalv.  So, if your disk does get trashed, you are more likely to have a disaster.  But, I have used PFSDoctor many times without a serious problem, too.
I advise: DO NOT use the 'diskvalid' program that comes with PFS3.  It is supposed to be the shell equivalent of PFSDoctor.  It does not work the same.  It HAS severely trashed a few hard drives for me!
Title: Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient.
Post by: mr_a500 on February 02, 2007, 04:55:24 AM

@AmigaMance

Nice list. You mention just about every speedup patch I use.

A couple points:

It's good you said not to use FBlit if you don't have AGA. On my ECS Amiga, it actually drastically slows down everything (about half speed).

SystemPatch works fine for ECS Amigas. I recommend people use the NOINTUITION option, otherwise some applications with custom filerequesters (DigiPaint3, DSS3) will screw up and/or crash. Also use the -loadseg option or else xvs.library will have problems and Zoom (screen magnifyer) will crash.

Although I use smart refresh in MUI, I wouldn't recommend any smart refresh programs. Every single one I tried caused annoying screen corruptions.
Title: Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient.
Post by: ZeBeeDee on February 02, 2007, 03:27:25 PM
Nice list you have there @AmigaMance  :-)
Title: Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient.
Post by: AmigaMance on February 02, 2007, 03:32:47 PM
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Title: Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient.
Post by: Amigaz on February 02, 2007, 03:39:59 PM
hmm..running most of this stuff but never tried SystemPatch on an RTG Amiga..gonna try tonite  :-D


SmartWB sounds like one of the patches MCP has or am I mistaken

Anyway, this guide has the best speedup tips IMHO
 ;-)
Title: Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient.
Post by: Tomas on February 02, 2007, 04:02:16 PM
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If you are using a 68000 or a 68020 with no fast-ram, please die.

Um why? My a500 works perfectly well with 68000 for the task i use it for "classic gaming"  ;-)
Title: Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient.
Post by: Jose on February 02, 2007, 04:15:46 PM
The only problem with all these pathces is that sometimes you'll end up not knowing if an app is misbehaving because of itself or of a patch... Except from that they are great.
That's why I have a small partition with a clean 3.1 install to test misbehaving applications.
Title: Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient.
Post by: AmigaMance on February 02, 2007, 04:26:08 PM
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Title: Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient.
Post by: Linde on February 02, 2007, 04:37:15 PM
Nice guide. Is there a way to convert my already existing FFS partitions to SFS?
Title: Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient.
Post by: AmigaMance on February 02, 2007, 04:48:26 PM
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Title: Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient.
Post by: Amigaz on February 02, 2007, 05:26:53 PM
Ok, tried Systempatch on my A4000 (040 40mhz, CV64/3D) didn't notice any difference but SmartWB was noticeable :-) but not much...didn't know SmartWB was such an old patch
Title: Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient.
Post by: AmigaMance on February 02, 2007, 05:42:43 PM
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Title: Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient.
Post by: Amigaz on February 02, 2007, 05:47:25 PM
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AmigaMance wrote:
Nice! :-)
 You can probably find more recent smart refresh patches on Aminet. They are all the same, more all less. I just use this one.


Yeah..this one seem to work nice  :-) only thing that bothers me is it's splash screen when it starts

Just started using MemOptimizer too...can you please tell me what parameters you are running it with?
Title: Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient.
Post by: AmigaMance on February 02, 2007, 06:18:32 PM
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Title: Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient.
Post by: Amigaz on February 02, 2007, 06:36:41 PM
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AmigaMance wrote:
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Yeah..this one seem to work nice only thing that bothers me is it's splash screen when it starts

 No splash screen: SmartWB quiet

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Just started using MemOptimizer too...can you please tell me what parameters you are running it with?

 The author provides a good command line in the docs:
Run >NIL: MemOptimizer 15 4096 1048576 20 NOCHIP NOFLUSH
 I would remove the NOCHIP option because even if you are using a gfx-card, your Chip-ram still gets accessed for some tasks.


You mean "SmartWB quiet" in it's tooltype?

Using the parameter from the docs too  :-)

Yeah, you're right about the chipram option
Title: Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient.
Post by: Flashlab on February 02, 2007, 06:56:20 PM
Nice topic!

While I have most of the patches already I now completing my setup. I have one question about AmberRAM:

How can I change the name the Ram disk gets? It's named "RAM Disc" which slightly annoys me...
Title: Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient.
Post by: AmigaMance on February 02, 2007, 07:08:33 PM
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Title: Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient.
Post by: Flashlab on February 02, 2007, 07:19:23 PM
Thanks that worked!
Title: Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient.
Post by: stopthegop on February 02, 2007, 08:15:46 PM
I have one other to add to your list:

wballocfast >NIL:

works wonders, and I've found it to be very system friendly.
Title: Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient.
Post by: mr_a500 on February 02, 2007, 08:26:16 PM
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Load the handler to a hex editor, search for disc and replace c with k. Carefull not to touch anything else.


Ah, I see you're also into binary modifications. That's what I like about old software - if you don't like the text, just grab the old Hex editor and change it.
Title: Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient.
Post by: AmigaMance on February 02, 2007, 09:01:59 PM
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Title: Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient.
Post by: cpfuture on February 02, 2007, 09:21:32 PM
Compliments to AmigaMance. Great topic! I've jotted down a couple of the suggestions and am eager to try them out this weekend.
Title: Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient.
Post by: Karlos on February 02, 2007, 09:37:51 PM
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Install a "smart refresh" like SmartWB. It will make you WorkBench windows faster, but it will also increase their memory usage.
NOTE: Although i have read many times that these patches are not required for gfx-card users, i'm using a BVision with the latest C-GFX update, and SmartWB gives me a noticable speed increase in window moving etc!! Could anyone give me some feedback on this?


In theory, on a good graphics card the graphics.library rendering functions are hardware accelerated so that simple refresh operations ought to be fast enough so that you never see them.
There are several problems with this postulate:

1) The time it takes the system to physically set up the drawing (GUI layout etc) is totally unrelated to the speed of the underlying hardware.

2) Good hardware is often let down by abysmal drivers and the pretty hacky way RTG is implemented. A lot of acceleration is missed out. BlitBitMapScale() for example is totally software driven on my BVision under CGX4.2 except when the scale is 1:1, despite the fact the permedia can handle scaled blitting no problem. For those functions that are actually hardware accelerated, the time it takes to reach them from the graphics.library calls usually dwarves the time it takes to perform the actual operation.

Smart refresh is based around simply blitting away the hidden areas of a surface and then restoring them when they become visible again. This uses more video ram but can be achieved in a couple of blits at most. Therefore it's always going to win where (1) and (2) are significant.
Title: Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient.
Post by: stopthegop on February 02, 2007, 09:48:44 PM
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In theory, on a good graphics card the graphics.library rendering functions are hardware accelerated so that simple refresh operations ought to be fast enough so that you never see them.
There are several problems with this postulate:

1) The time it takes the system to physically set up the drawing (GUI layout etc) is totally unrelated to the speed of the underlying hardware.

2) Good hardware is often let down by abysmal drivers and the pretty hacky way RTG is implemented. A lot of acceleration is missed out. BlitBitMapScale() for example is totally software driven on my BVision under CGX4.2 except when the scale is 1:1, despite the fact the permedia can handle scaled blitting no problem. For those functions that are actually hardware accelerated, the time it takes to reach them from the graphics.library calls usually dwarves the time it takes to perform the actual operation.

Smart refresh is based around simply blitting away the hidden areas of a surface and then restoring them when they become visible again. This uses more video ram but can be achieved in a couple of blits at most. Therefore it's always going to win where (1) and (2) are significant.



I'm not sure I followed all that..?  In english: Is SmartWB a good thing or a bad thing?
Title: Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient.
Post by: AmigaMance on February 02, 2007, 10:10:26 PM
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Title: Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient.
Post by: Hyperspeed on February 02, 2007, 10:56:26 PM
Well I'm going to be a bit more critical here...

I would not use ANY of those patches you have listed there AmigaMance.

If you spend your day dragging Workbench windows about and fragmenting your hard disk I suppose they're great but give me the 'Official is Best' philosophy any day.

Some programs like 'Frogger' demand FBlit but then that movie player is the slowest load of crap there is anyway - better get RiVA(+GUI). Things that patch to this level invariably make your system hideously unpredictable and for very little benefit.

I burn CDs and do a lot of printing, multimedia, emulation, surfing and gaming - I need programs to get along with each other. When I do something to my hard disk I would much rather use DiskSalv (as programmed by a Commodore engineer) than use some 3rd party file system and it's wobbly utilities.

I'd say getting a decent hardware accelerator or graphics card is better than trying to dress mutton as lamb (and making the system untrustworthy at the same time).

If you don't have a GFX card then your best speedup will be by giving the ChipRAM a break. Add more FastMem, keep screen colours 6-bit or below, screenmodes to 15Khz NTSC or therabouts and scale down your icons using Iconian (stripping away any NewIcons bumf in the tooltypes).

Unless you're running a huge database or streaming video then I'm not sure dumping Fast File System is worth the hassle and risk either - particularly if you have a SCSI card with a fast hard disk or Flash drive.

I know I'm sounding like your Grandma here but Cyberpatcher, MultiCX and Executive 2.0 are the only patches I'd pay money for (the latter of which was rated 98% by Amiga Format if I remember correctly).
Title: Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient.
Post by: adz on February 02, 2007, 11:14:18 PM
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If you are using a 68000 or a 68020 with no fast-ram, please die.
For people who think that "Official = better" or can't edit a startup-sequence, please use windoze or something. It suits you better.


FYI, this is the point at which I stopped reading.
Title: Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient.
Post by: AmiDude on February 02, 2007, 11:19:15 PM
Hyperspeed wrote:
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Well I'm going to be a bit more critical here...

I would not use ANY of those patches you have listed there AmigaMance.

If you spend your day dragging Workbench windows about and fragmenting your hard disk I suppose they're great but give me the 'Official is Best' philosophy any day.

Some programs like 'Frogger' demand FBlit but then that movie player is the slowest load of crap there is anyway - better get RiVA(+GUI). Things that patch to this level invariably make your system hideously unpredictable and for very little benefit.

I burn CDs and do a lot of printing, multimedia, emulation, surfing and gaming - I need programs to get along with each other. When I do something to my hard disk I would much rather use DiskSalv (as programmed by a Commodore engineer) than use some 3rd party file system and it's wobbly utilities.

I'd say getting a decent hardware accelerator or graphics card is better than trying to dress mutton as lamb (and making the system untrustworthy at the same time).

If you don't have a GFX card then your best speedup will be by giving the ChipRAM a break. Add more FastMem, keep screen colours 6-bit or below, screenmodes to 15Khz NTSC or therabouts and scale down your icons using Iconian (stripping away any NewIcons bumf in the tooltypes).

Unless you're running a huge database or streaming video then I'm not sure dumping Fast File System is worth the hassle and risk either - particularly if you have a SCSI card with a fast hard disk or Flash drive.


@Hyperspeed

You're right. I agree with you dude! :-D

 :pint:
Title: Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient.
Post by: Karlos on February 02, 2007, 11:24:00 PM
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stopthegop wrote:

I'm not sure I followed all that..?  In english: Is SmartWB a good thing or a bad thing?


If you have plenty of video ram on your graphics card, good.

The basic argument against Smart Refresh is that it ought not to be needed on modern cards where the GPU can do all the drawing at such speed that you'd never see it happen. Ideally, that should be the case.

Unfortunately, there are weaknesses both in RTG itself and in driver quality before you get to the GPU that can render this argument null and void.

Smart Refresh really only relies on one GPU operation, "blitting" (which is supported by all major cards/drivers) and enough spare video card memory to hold all the obscured bits of your windows whilst they aren't visible. Saving and redrawing the windows then comes down to performing blits and not a lot else.

It's therefore usually the faster setting - with the downside that you lose more video memory in normal operation (this can affect some 3D games on cards that have limited memory).
Title: Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient.
Post by: AmiDude on February 02, 2007, 11:24:48 PM
@adz wrote:

Quote:
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If you are using a 68000 or a 68020 with no fast-ram, please die. For people who think that "Official = better" or can't edit a startup-sequence, please use windoze or something. It suits you better.


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FYI, this is the point at which I stopped reading.


@adz
You're right also. I think AmigaMance is a little snobbish here...
 :pint:
Title: Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient.
Post by: AmiDude on February 02, 2007, 11:34:45 PM
AmigaMance wrote:

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Well, i don't have much to say about this. Just don't use FFS and you will be fine. Nobody should use it.


I've used FFS for years and years on several systems,
and never had any problems with it...
 :pint:
Title: Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient.
Post by: Karlos on February 02, 2007, 11:38:16 PM
FFS has never given me a single problem in over a decade. Oddly, the only partition I ever had go bad on any amiga was SFS :lol:

Then again, I'm the guy that owns systems fatally allergic to mmu.library too ;-)
Title: Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient.
Post by: AmiDude on February 03, 2007, 12:09:25 AM
@AmigaMance and anyone else who's in doubt:

Like stated before: If you wanna make OS3.x faster and
more efficient, use a more powerfull accelerator card and/or GFX-card and/or more Fast RAM. That should do
the trick really efficient.

 :pint:
Title: Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient.
Post by: stopthegop on February 03, 2007, 12:28:38 AM
Not all patches are bad, some work quite well and are very system friendly.  AmigaMance's point was to highlight the good ones.  He also warned people away from the bad ones, primarily by omission.  This isn't a simplistic clash of ideologies here("official" vs. "hack").   By all means, upgrade your hardware as much as possible and use the best (not necessarily the "latest") drivers.  But also take advantage of some really great ingenius little programs (or "hacks", if you prefer) that people have written specifically to overcome many of the shortcomings in the products that have the blessings of officialdom.    
Title: Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient.
Post by: Homer on February 03, 2007, 12:32:34 AM
Maybe so, but Amigamance's attitude stinks. How on earth can he tell other Amiga users to die because they don't have the Amiga he is talking about. No beer for you Amigamance  :madashell:
 Edit: Apparently, this remark offended AmigaMance which is odd as I have an A1200t 68030 with OS3.5 using some of these patches and was simply pointing out that he was well out of order telling users of older versions to die. Was I out of order ? I don't think so  :-P
Title: Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient.
Post by: AmigaMance on February 03, 2007, 12:43:08 AM
@AmiDude
 You know... One anti post would be more than enough for me to get your point... But you made a whole row of 4 posts. I don't know, you seem to be quite obsessed with me or something.
Title: Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient.
Post by: quenthal on February 03, 2007, 12:43:56 AM
Executive is also good. Tuning it for your needs may take while, but I think it is worth it.

http://www.aminet.net/util/misc/Executive.lha
http://www.aminet.net/util/misc/Executive_key.lha
Title: Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient.
Post by: AmiDude on February 03, 2007, 12:56:33 AM
AmigaMance wrote:
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I don't know, you seem to be quite obsessed with me or something.


I'm really not obsessed with you dude...Unless you have big boobs and a nice ass...  :lol:
But maybe you're obsessed with patches. Don't get
me wrong, I'm using some patches too (FragCure,
IconBeFast a.o.). Just please don't degrade other
Amiga users because they have other Amiga configurations.


 :pint:
Title: Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient.
Post by: AmigaMance on February 03, 2007, 12:58:40 AM
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Title: Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient.
Post by: stopthegop on February 03, 2007, 01:28:10 AM
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Like stated before: If you wanna make OS3.x faster and more efficient, use a more powerfull accelerator card and/or GFX-card and/or more Fast RAM. That should do
the trick really efficient.


I've never heard anyone say their Amiga was too fast.  

 :pint:
Title: Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient.
Post by: AmiDude on February 03, 2007, 01:36:18 AM
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I've never heard anyone say their Amiga was too fast.


This makes no sense at all. I didn't claim that.
But adding a accelerator, GFX card or FastRam
should speed up things more than some crappy patches.

 :pint:
Title: Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient.
Post by: Karlos on February 03, 2007, 02:44:18 AM
If you want to see OS3.x fly, you could always install it on WinUAE on a really fast x86...

*ducks*
Title: Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient.
Post by: AmigaMance on February 03, 2007, 02:50:05 AM
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But adding a accelerator, GFX card or FastRam
should speed up things more than some crappy patches.

 NO BLEEP! I bet nobody knew that! I think i will add it to my sig.
Title: Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient.
Post by: AMC258 on February 03, 2007, 02:51:30 AM
The OS, but what about the applications?  Provector still runs faster on my A3000 than it does on my 2.whatever GHz Peecee.  And, it runs faster yet in native modes than with P96.
Turbocalc does some things faster on the real Amiga too.  Granted, not everything..
Title: Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient.
Post by: dannyp1 on February 03, 2007, 03:16:46 AM
I don't know what happened here.  This started out as one of the best and most informative threads I'd read and now because a guy makes a joke it turns all nasty.  Lets get back to improving our OS's.  Not everybody has the extra $1000 to $1500 it now takes for an accelerator and good graphics card.  The patches are free and some can really help.  Just my thoughts.     Dan :-P
Title: Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient.
Post by: Hyperspeed on February 03, 2007, 04:02:15 AM
I think the urge to improve and meddle is an instinct all Amigans have so this cannot be surpressed, I mean MUI is a bit of a hack but I'm finding this quite a comfortable environment now.

Lots of diehards hate MUI but it gives you nice ways to present applications and a handy snapshot button to keep windows in place (there is a tool on Aminet called 'Snapper' which does this for non-MUI windows though).

Maybe all Amigans should strive to have a workhorse machine reserved for stable operation and a tinkering machine for experimenting with different patch combinations. A sort of quarantine system!

:-D

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by AmigaMance:
Yes, Executive really enhance the multitasking ability of AOS. If "you" tend to run more than one CPU intensive program at the same time, it's invaluable.
If you, on the other hand, want to focus all of your horse power to one CPU intensive task only, it's better not to run it, since it consumes some CPU cycles itself and this will lead to a marginal slow-down of that task.
Personally, i have add it on the toolsDaemon's menu and i run it only when i need it.


Yeah I find this... best switch off Executive if you want to play Quake or watch MPG videos.
Title: Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient.
Post by: Amigaz on February 03, 2007, 10:07:21 AM
Have been running some of the patches AmigaMance mention for years without problems

Now I tested some I haven't tested yet he mentions in his posts and they seem to do good....
Title: Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient.
Post by: AmiDude on February 03, 2007, 11:59:11 AM
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NO BLEEP! I bet nobody knew that! I think i will add it to my sig.


Don't be so upset dude...no need for that.
 :-D
Title: Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient. (Updated)
Post by: AmigaMance on February 04, 2007, 11:52:59 PM
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Title: Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient. (Updated)
Post by: AmigaMance on February 04, 2007, 11:53:40 PM
  The guide has been updated a few times with additional infos and corrections.
 If you have any good additional tips, advices, corrrections, etc. (on the topic) you can post them.


PS: Btw, mr_a500, i can't reproduce your problem with SmartWB (if this is what you were using) on AGA and CGFX screens. I don't know what causes it on your system.
Title: Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient. (Updated)
Post by: Hyperspeed on February 06, 2007, 09:20:56 PM
Hmmm, some interesting tips for beginners:

· By typing avail flush into a command line/shell window you can flush all unused libraries from memory and display your largest available chunk of free RAM.

· By double-clicking the volumes button in a file requestor you can refresh the list (just in case a file is being constantly written to or you are multi-tasking)

· By using MultiCX you can utilise a 3rd button on Wizard 560-dpi mice to either use Shift or cycle between windows or screens quickly (without needing the Left-A M sequence. You can also use shortcut combinations such as Ctrl-Alt B to start a screen blanker instantly.

· Right-A C will copy text, Right-A X will cut text and Right-A V will paste text. This useful short cut will speed up your productivity, especially when cutting & pasting URLs in IBrowse.

· Using the PD program SysSpeed v2.6 can often help you identify where your system is slower. Get saved modules available on Aminet which contain info on other peoples' Amiga performance and use these as a benchmark to improve your own system. Sometimes you can identify jumper settings that need altering, sometimes you can update firmware or sometimes a software enhancement will make a difference.
Title: Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient. (Updated)
Post by: dannyp1 on February 07, 2007, 02:45:26 PM
Is it ok to use FBlit on an A4000d with a Picasso IV card and Picasso96.  The docs say not to but nothing is mentioned about that in this thread.  Thanks,   Dan
Title: Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient. (Updated)
Post by: guru-666 on February 07, 2007, 04:28:56 PM
a big fat thanks, this list is a great resource. Well done.
Title: Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient. (Updated)
Post by: guru-666 on February 07, 2007, 04:30:20 PM
a big fat thanks, this list is a great resource. Well done.
(sorry about the double post... not sre why)
Title: Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient. (Updated)
Post by: mr_a500 on February 07, 2007, 07:15:06 PM
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PS: Btw, mr_a500, i can't reproduce your problem with SmartWB (if this is what you were using) on AGA and CGFX screens. I don't know what causes it on your system.


I tried many different smart refresh programs years ago (SmartWB included) and they all caused corruption in window background images.

I've been testing SmartWB again for the last couple days. Usually everything works fine, but twice I saw the same window background corruption. It happens a lot less often than before. I think it's a problem with icon borders because the corruption is an occasional shifting of the background image around icons. I use WB 3.1 and have my icons borderless (no stupid box). Before, I was using NewIcons to remove icon border, but now I use Birdie. This could be the difference.

Are you using WB 3.9? Maybe the new icon format in WB 3.9 fixes this problem.
Title: Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient. (Updated)
Post by: AmigaMance on February 07, 2007, 08:12:21 PM
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Title: Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient. (Updated)
Post by: Amiduffer on February 07, 2007, 09:02:19 PM
Thanks AmigaMance, I installed the ones I could install, and there's some improvement.

There was a slight discoloration in my WB background picture, but it was solved by reducing my colors from 16 to 8?? Hey, it worked.
Title: Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient. (Updated)
Post by: TNovosel on February 08, 2007, 06:50:55 AM
Thank You for this nice tutorial.

Best regards, happy classic user!!!  :-)
Title: Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient. (Updated)
Post by: dannyp1 on February 26, 2007, 09:16:56 PM
I've come across another patch that so far seems OK.  It is PatchMult64 from Aminet.  It patches the utility.library.  The download includes a test program for checking the changed routines speed before and after installation.  Anyone else tried this?  I've had it installed for a couple of days now and as I said I've had no problems yet.   Dan
Title: Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient. (Updated)
Post by: arkanoid on February 27, 2007, 01:36:24 AM
@AmigaMance

very nice guide. thanks!

I wasn't aware of WBAllocFast. it seems pretty good at preserving chip-ram. the only problem is it seems to dislike SystemPatch (v2.99) and whenever I use them together my WB Icon gfx become corrupt.

Anyone have a tip for getting it working properly?
Title: Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient. (Updated)
Post by: Piru on February 27, 2007, 05:03:42 AM
@dannyp1

Aminet one is buggy, get my version (NewPatchMult64) from www.iki.fi/sintonen/sw/ (http://www.iki.fi/sintonen/sw/)
Title: Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient.
Post by: TjLaZer on February 27, 2007, 05:44:28 AM
I am using FBlit and it seems to reduce chip RAM especially when loading large directories!  BUT I am having an issue that is making it hard to live with.  I get graphics corruptions on the screen.  Anyone know how to get rid of this?  This is a must have app for AGA users but the garbage on the screen is very annoying...
Title: Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient.
Post by: Amigaz on February 27, 2007, 06:12:13 AM
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TjLaZer wrote:
I am using FBlit and it seems to reduce chip RAM especially when loading large directories!  BUT I am having an issue that is making it hard to live with.  I get graphics corruptions on the screen.  Anyone know how to get rid of this?  This is a must have app for AGA users but the garbage on the screen is very annoying...


Tried LoadWB SIMPLEGELS?
Title: Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient. (Updated)
Post by: stopthegop on February 27, 2007, 06:46:00 AM
Only problem I've had with WBallocFast is it refusing to work under DOpus.  I think this is a fault with DOpus though.  
Title: Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient. (Updated)
Post by: Amigaz on February 27, 2007, 07:10:29 AM
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stopthegop wrote:
Only problem I've had with WBallocFast is it refusing to work under DOpus.  I think this is a fault with DOpus though.  


And with the new AfA Iconlib here
Title: Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient. (Updated)
Post by: AmigaMance on February 27, 2007, 10:20:56 AM
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Title: Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient. (Updated)
Post by: gertsy on February 27, 2007, 10:57:21 AM
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AmigaMance wrote:
 Download Piru's Exec V44.1 from here: www.iki.fi/sintonen/sw/ and read the doc on how to patch your 40.x ROM image.
 Oh-oh, there is a message on the site: "My Amiga software will not be available while certain .au idiot keeps spamming amiga.org." I don't know what's the case, but those australian idiots should drop it!
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Terminating classic users and Idiot Aussies (I'm sure Piru's reference was in the singular as quoted)

From the outset it's not immediately obvious if you're actually trying to help people or just show everybody how very clever you are.
If it wasn't for the sheer detail of the technical tutorial I would have passed you for an ineffectual recalcitrant with an unpleasant demeanour, or even the resurrection of that horse that's been so cruelly flogged recently.  But, as it is, I don't believe anyone could make that mistake.  :crazy:

Thanks for the detailed reference on performance hacking.........

From one Australian Idiot with 2 machines running 2.1 very nicely thanks.  :getmad:
Title: Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient. (Updated)
Post by: AmigaMance on February 27, 2007, 11:26:36 AM
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From the outset it's not immediately obvious if you're actually trying to help people or just show everybody how very clever you are.

 Yeah, Whatever... It's immdediately obvious to me that you are trolling.
 I don't know anything about that case; The plural was a mistake and i don't mind if you don't believe me. Now, if you are trying to say that i have something against the aussies just to make me look bad, i don't care about that either.

Edit: Anyway, i have just edited the post and corrected this error. I hope that this will make the troll happier.
(But i suspect that it will make him even more sad. :D )
Title: Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient. (Updated)
Post by: gertsy on February 27, 2007, 11:44:19 AM
I have a Sinclair Spectrum too you know..!
Title: Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient. (Updated)
Post by: TjLaZer on February 28, 2007, 03:15:00 AM
Yep I have LoadWB SimpleGels in SS.

-edit-

OK I found the problem:  Visual Prefs!!  Arrgh I like that tool!  Any work around?
Title: Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient. (Updated)
Post by: Gojirax on March 07, 2007, 07:32:55 PM
This article mentions the following metric TON of OS mods to make your system faster. (Does ALL of this still apply to OS 3.9? I thought OS 3.9 incorporated most of these patches and was already optimized?)

I'm running an A1200 with a DKB Cobra 030 accelerator with 32 megs Fastram and an A4000 with an Warp Engine 040 accelerator, both with AGA.

While I've downloaded the following OS Mods and will read through their documentation when I get them home, can anyone give some personal opinions on their usefullness with the hardware listed above and OS 3.9? (I'd like to modify as little as possible while getting the most stability and speed from my systems.)

exec.library v44.1 (For DKB Cobra 030?)
env-handler
FBlit (Always loved this one!)
SystemPatch (Can I use this one with Fblit and call it good?)
CMQ
Taglife
IconBeFast
Amber RAM
Smart Filesystem (FFS replacement)
Modify AddBuffers (For a 32 Meg Fastram system what's a good number?)
PoolMem (WTH is with all the memory optimizers?!?)

P.S.
Where do I get the most current 68040.Library?
Title: Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient. (Updated)
Post by: Hyperspeed on March 11, 2007, 10:18:19 PM
Personally I wouldn't bother with all that crap.

Here's the 68040 library though: http://aminet.net/biz/p5/68060-V44_3.lha
Title: Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient. (Updated)
Post by: AmigaMance on March 12, 2007, 12:59:45 AM
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Where do I get the most current 68040.Library?

 http://phase5.a1k.org/files/040_060Libs.zip
Title: Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient. (Updated)
Post by: cybernoid on May 11, 2007, 02:56:00 PM
Excelent Article.
I see lots of ppl saying: "Get a 68060! Buy One!"

Facts:
-I have a 4000 040 25mhz (they say actually works at 50mhz) 20mg ram working 3x faster than a non patched. (According to sysspeed)
-My Workbench is nice minimalist-looking (MUI icons and lots of tweaking, according to my needs.)
-All Demos, including 68060 runs smooth (loonies, etc). In fact only those requiring more than 16mg doesnt run. Watching same demo with WinUAE is a bad experience. (Emulation will never reach more than 50% of the experience)

-Ppl say the new Amiga is expensive. I hope they are not the same that tell me to buy a hot'n'burnin 68060. Because the new  Amiga is CHEAPER than a PPC 68060. And its lots faster... with gfx, etc - a new computer, in fact.

About the patches:
-I use most of them. No software crashes - its only a question of configuring fblit and systempatch.
-No BlitzKick. No RomUpdates at all. 3.1 Rom is very good and stable and the chip/rom/fast speed actually are the same on my 4000.

Advise:
-Load a good anti-virus at startup. (Youll see lots of warnings due to patches, but its a question of tweaking them. - I have no warnings.) - NO SPEED LOSS (IF 1=decrease AV priority.)

Question:
I cant use the new workbench.library.patch because the fonts get yellow (!!?)
-Does anybody have the same problem?

Best Regards -from Portugal-
Title: Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient. (Updated)
Post by: mr_a500 on May 11, 2007, 05:08:49 PM
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Advise:
-Load a good anti-virus at startup. (Youll see lots of warnings due to patches, but its a question of tweaking them. - I have no warnings.) - NO SPEED LOSS (IF 1=decrease AV priority.)


Why? Amiga is not like Windows where you can get a virus just from being online, viewing an image or document. The only way you're likely to get an Amiga virus is if you're testing lots of unknown floppies or downloading Amiga software. If you use Voodoo-X & xad.master to extract archives, it can automatically check for viruses if you've got xvs.library (don't need an anti-virus running).

There's no need to waste RAM running an anti-virus program every time at startup.
Title: Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient. (Updated)
Post by: kidkoala on May 11, 2007, 09:16:03 PM
ofcourse it makes sense to use patches and hacks once in a while on amigas, it's a selfexplaining thing.

great guide amigamance.
Title: Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient. (Updated)
Post by: guru-666 on May 11, 2007, 09:53:40 PM
this thread has so much good info and links we should realy make a how to page out of it.  Did somebody already do that?
Title: Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient. (Updated)
Post by: stopthegop on May 27, 2007, 04:53:21 PM
X-Panel (http://aminet.net/util/wb/X-Panel_6.5.lha) is a nice little tool.  
Title: Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient.
Post by: Donar on May 27, 2007, 06:12:37 PM
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TjLaZer wrote:
I am using FBlit ... I get graphics corruptions on the screen.  Anyone know how to get rid of this?  This is a must have app for AGA users but the garbage on the screen is very annoying...

I had the same problem, its one of the 1000 FBlit options you have to turn on/off :( Someone i know send me his FBlit Prefs because he couldn't remeber what he had turned off either. His Prefs solved the issue on my AMIGA.
Title: Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient.
Post by: on May 27, 2007, 07:22:24 PM
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Tomas wrote:
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If you are using a 68000 or a 68020 with no fast-ram, please die.

Um why? My a500 works perfectly well with 68000 for the task i use it for "classic gaming"  ;-)


Hummm... I wonder how Gunship 2000 and Grand prix circuit look like on your machine...

You gotta have a fondness for slideshows... :sleep:
Title: Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient.
Post by: TiredOLife on May 28, 2007, 09:38:00 AM
Had problems with my system recently and had to revert back to an earlier copy.
Pretty sure this was down to a virus.
Looks like the virus had been there for a while in several copies before it got bad enough fo me to notice.
Anyway, I had to revert to a copy I was using before I had read this guide.
Believe me the drop in speed was very noticable.
I have now installed them again and am much happier with the speed.
I am using a Blizzard 1260 so unless the Shark comes along :-D
I won't be able to upgrade to a better CPU any time soon.
So for all the doubters, I would say give it a try.
Make a backup 1st and you can always revert back if not happy.
Title: Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient.
Post by: TiredOLife on May 29, 2007, 09:01:21 PM
Finallly got blizkick to boot 3.9 in a single boot.
Many thanks to Piru for his help.
As I said earlier, these guide makes a big difference to the speed of your OS.
Many thanks to AmigaMance for a top guide.
Title: Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient.
Post by: AmigaMance on May 29, 2007, 11:59:23 PM
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Title: Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient.
Post by: CannonFodder on May 30, 2007, 08:23:20 PM
I haven't read the whole of this thread, but here are a few "essentials" that I posted in another thread recently.

FBlit (http://aminet.net/package.php?package=util/boot/fblit.lha)
FText (http://aminet.net/package/util/boot/FText)
Executive (http://aminet.net/package/util/misc/Executive)
Key file for Executive (http://aminet.net/package/util/misc/Executive_key)
FScreen (http://www.grey13.com/files/fscreen021ntta.zip)
SystemPatch (http://digilander.libero.it/ziosante/download/SystemPatch299.lha)
BlazeWCP (http://aminet.net/package/util/boot/Blazewcp)
Title: Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient.
Post by: AmigaMance on May 31, 2007, 02:20:11 AM
 You don't really need FText and BlazeWCP if you run SystemPatch as they are both intergrated in it.
Title: Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient.
Post by: TiredOLife on June 05, 2007, 11:53:56 PM
Did try Executive but wasn't fussed.
Somtimes you need all the grunt you can get.
If you are running a particular intensive task, you probably won't bother trying to do anything else similtaneously.
In this instance, it is more of a hinderance for something to be kept back.
Title: Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient.
Post by: dannyp1 on February 13, 2008, 03:19:29 PM
I saw two other patches mentioned in another thread and I looked quick and didn't see them here.  They are : NewWPA8 from aminet, and rpp from Stephan Rupprecht's site.  Does anyone know if either of these are worth using or of any real value?   Thanks,

Dan
Title: Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient. (Updated)
Post by: balrogsoft on January 07, 2011, 10:53:30 PM
What happened to this guide? I remember that i have used it before, but all the post of AmigaMance are empty. Anyone have a local copy of this guide?
Title: Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient. (Updated)
Post by: dannyp1 on January 08, 2011, 03:24:11 AM
If you pmail AmigaMance I'm sure he'll help you.  He did me.
Title: Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient. (Updated)
Post by: TheBilgeRat on February 10, 2011, 01:39:20 AM
Is there a reason there are no posts anymore from AmigaMance?
Title: Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient. (Updated)
Post by: NovaCoder on February 10, 2011, 02:25:22 AM
3.9 setup guide (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=50414)

Or you could just install ClassicWB (http://classicwb.abime.net/classicweb/os39.htm)
Title: Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient. (Updated)
Post by: Franko on February 10, 2011, 02:40:17 AM
Quote from: NovaCoder;614533

Nice... :)
Title: Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient. (Updated)
Post by: fishy_fiz on February 10, 2011, 03:59:29 AM
Actually there's no copyrighted material in ClassicWB so far as I know. It (along with amigasys/amikit/etc) suppliments os3.x files that users needs to have an external source for.
Title: Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient. (Updated)
Post by: Franko on February 10, 2011, 04:12:57 AM
:)
Title: Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient. (Updated)
Post by: NovaCoder on February 10, 2011, 04:29:39 AM
Quote from: Franko;614553
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Maybe you shouldn't draw attention to it then and you should delete your post?
Title: Re: Guide: How to make OS3.x faster and more efficient. (Updated)
Post by: Franko on February 10, 2011, 04:50:36 AM
Quote from: NovaCoder;614558
Maybe you shouldn't draw attention to it then and you should delete your post?

Erm.. kinda makes your post stand out a bit now... :)