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Title: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: mknkt on May 22, 2010, 02:09:24 AM
Pics to come very soon! This is a developement system that looks to be brand new and is a v24 prototype with only the commodore logo on the front, not the amiga or both... let me know if you might be interested in it before I put it on ebay... like I said "Pics coming really soon!"  Oh yeah, the both is a box that the unit was shipped in, not a reatail box, cause it wasn't a retail sales model :)
Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: Drummerboy on May 22, 2010, 02:29:48 AM
Yeah!.. I Wanna see the pics soon!
Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: Pentad on May 22, 2010, 02:43:36 AM
me too!
Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: tone007 on May 22, 2010, 02:45:10 AM
...but does it have the signatures on the inside of the lid?!
Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: mknkt on May 22, 2010, 04:17:31 AM
It came in a brown shipping box that has "Amiga Prototype V24" hand written on the side. Open up the top and is say "For Chuck Commodore PC" hand written on the inside flap of the box. Also, instead of the Amiga logo on the front, it has a Commodore logo. The system itself powers up just fine and is in excellent condition, I just don't have an old monitor to
test it out with... I opened up the top and there were no signitures or a paw print, but it does have the version 24 chips, I will post pics of the inside next...[ATTACH]627[/ATTACH]
 
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Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: Pentad on May 22, 2010, 04:21:47 AM
Really cool!

Congrats!
Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: mknkt on May 22, 2010, 04:34:33 AM
Will be posting it on ebay either tomorow or Sunday, what do you think the value of this is?:rtfm:
Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: Drummerboy on May 22, 2010, 04:34:58 AM
Hmmm ..

Very intersting.. Nice Machine!..

Congratulations, its a great  adquisition!.

Recently appears some Prototypes, in Ebay too.
Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: mknkt on May 22, 2010, 04:50:39 AM
it wasn't shipped to me the shipping box, i assume, is from the developer sending it back to Chuck, or the company sending it to Chuck the developer... wonder if it was for the Chuck from Commodore???
Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: Matt_H on May 22, 2010, 04:51:53 AM
Quote from: mknkt;560134
Will be posting it on ebay either tomorow or Sunday, what do you think the value of this is?:rtfm:


It belongs in a museum!


Hope it goes to a good home :)
Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: TheBilgeRat on May 22, 2010, 05:03:42 AM
I totally agree-it seems like a one of a kind find.  It needs a good visible home.
Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: mknkt on May 22, 2010, 06:30:54 AM
This is the only other one I could find... must be pretty rare ;)
 
 
http://www.digibarn.com/collections/systems/amiga1000-proto/index.html
Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: gertsy on May 22, 2010, 08:49:05 AM
The "Commodore Amiga Development System Serial No D-597" Label looks like it's been printed on 80GSM Paper by an 800dpi laser printer, cut out with scissors and stuck to the unit with a clear poly label.   Not saying that's what it is.  But thats what it looks like.

The A1000 obviously looks a very early one.

Gertsy
Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: CLS2086 on May 22, 2010, 09:23:59 PM
Woooh, good ! Blue buttons mouse ?

And why don't you test it on a TV set ?
All got a Composite input.
Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: bitman on May 22, 2010, 10:08:30 PM
Quote from: gertsy;560166
The "Commodore Amiga Development System Serial No D-597" Label looks like it's been printed on 80GSM Paper by an 800dpi laser printer, cut out with scissors and stuck to the unit with a clear poly label.   Not saying that's what it is.  But thats what it looks like.

The A1000 obviously looks a very early one.

Gertsy


That also the first ting i noticed..  hmmmmmm.
Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: mknkt on May 22, 2010, 10:21:02 PM
Quote from: CLS2086;560285
Woooh, good ! Blue buttons mouse ?
 
And why don't you test it on a TV set ?
All got a Composite input.

The mouse is a neo brand...  So your saying I can just plug it into any yellow rca port and it should work just fine?:confused:
Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: KThunder on May 22, 2010, 10:26:32 PM
Yes, any yellow composite connector on a tv should do. I used my a1000's with composite monitors.
Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: mknkt on May 22, 2010, 10:32:46 PM
Quote from: gertsy;560166
The "Commodore Amiga Development System Serial No D-597" Label looks like it's been printed on 80GSM Paper by an 800dpi laser printer, cut out with scissors and stuck to the unit with a clear poly label. Not saying that's what it is. But thats what it looks like.
 
The A1000 obviously looks a very early one.
 
Gertsy

So would that mean the label is newer, cause it looks pretty old to me...
Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: TheBilgeRat on May 22, 2010, 10:36:29 PM
What's more interesting to me is that old Library card looking affair to the right-with the word "velvet".  What was "velvet"?  Plus it looks like it has some signatures in the block.  What was the mod?  What was Velvet?  Have you seen the Milkman?

It's a vast conspiracy! :laugh1:
Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: mknkt on May 22, 2010, 11:21:21 PM
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Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: mknkt on May 22, 2010, 11:22:33 PM
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Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: mknkt on May 22, 2010, 11:24:10 PM
And More Pics!!!
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Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: chris on May 22, 2010, 11:39:50 PM
Quote from: mknkt;560318
More pics!!!


That's an odd looking keyboard?

Please try and connect it up through composite - get some screenshots and send them over to WB Nostalgia (http://www.gregdonner.org/workbench) at the very least (the earliest OS there is v27).  Were there any disks in the box with it?
Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: mknkt on May 22, 2010, 11:43:48 PM
Quote from: chris;560321
That's an odd looking keyboard?
 
Please try and connect it up through composite - get some screenshots and send them over to WB Nostalgia (http://www.gregdonner.org/workbench) at the very least (the earliest OS there is v27). Were there any disks in the box with it?

will try and no disks, sorry...
Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: Pentad on May 22, 2010, 11:47:42 PM
Hey, can you dump the roms and any disks that came with it?

I would really like to look through the boot roms and any Kickstart/Workbench that came with it?

Did it come with Kickstart or Workbench?

I would really like to run an undelete on the disks (copies of course) to see what interesting things come up.  Kickstart/Workbench had all kinds of tidbits....

-P
Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: mknkt on May 23, 2010, 12:16:52 AM
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Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: mknkt on May 23, 2010, 01:18:39 AM
Where can I download A1000 boot disk or programs?  I want to try booting it up with one, see if anything different happens...
Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: mknkt on May 23, 2010, 01:24:19 AM
Probably won't since it's not version 27 or later... Any Early Developers out there know how to get this thing goin... what jumper goes to what... Please Help!!!
Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: mknkt on May 23, 2010, 04:23:52 AM
Anyone have any ideas before I put it on ebay tomorow:confused::hammer:
Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: Pentad on May 23, 2010, 04:35:53 AM
Boy that output looks pretty bad....Maybe composite is bad?!?  

I'm sure you would get better offers on eBay if you could get a Kickstart Request screen.

Maybe try emailing Dave Haynie or Bil Herd?  Bil's a super nice guy...

Thanks for making the weekend more interesting!

Good Luck!
-P
Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: mknkt on May 23, 2010, 05:02:56 AM
More pics... in one of them there are two ?resistors? that are cut??? should I try soldering them back together:confused:
 
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Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: Jope on May 23, 2010, 07:03:43 AM
Quote from: CLS2086;560285
Woooh, good ! Blue buttons mouse ?

The NEOS was for the C-64, they probably bought a bunch of those and hand-modified them.

It's very similar in mechanics to the old 1351 C-64 mouse.

I also found this on my travels on the internet:
http://www.tcocd.de/Pictures/Peripheral/Mitsumi/ccmouse.shtml

Obviously Mitsumi made the mice, as they were one of the subcontractors for Commodore..

Quote from: Pentad;560349
Maybe try emailing Dave Haynie or Bil Herd?  Bil's a super nice guy...

Those two guys were not involved with the Amiga at this stage, so they might not have the best knowledge about this era. You want some of those guys whose names are written beneath the top cover of production A1000s.. They were actually there.
Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: Drummerboy on May 23, 2010, 07:59:46 AM
Hmm.. not have the signs behind the Top CPU cover
Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: salax54 on May 23, 2010, 09:53:08 AM
I wouldn't suggest soldering those resistors; most probably they've been cut for a reason! Stay on the safe side methinks..
Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: scuzzb494 on May 23, 2010, 11:03:42 AM
Can I make a plea... Don`t mess around with the machine anymore. Everytime you do anything you are at risk of destroying what appears to be a valuable piece of Amiga history. Anyway, if you could give me the nods up when you are putting on Ebay. Can you try not to damage the box, any paperwork and log all your photographs onto a CD. Also create a text file of what you discovered so far and just how you got the Amiga.

Well done by the way for spotting this important computer.

scuzz
http://www.commodore-amiga-retro.com
Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: Framiga on May 23, 2010, 11:58:15 AM
nice piece indeed! it looks more like a pre-production for developers than a prototype IMHO.

Anyway, enjoy it! :-)
Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: scuzzb494 on May 23, 2010, 01:40:05 PM
Quote from: Framiga;560377
nice piece indeed! it looks more like a pre-production for developers than a prototype IMHO.

Anyway, enjoy it! :-)


I thought the same thing.

scuzz
Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: Metalguy66 on May 23, 2010, 03:04:37 PM
Can I ask one question for anyone who has ever seen the inside of an A1000 before...

WHERE IS THE DAUGHTERBOARD???

It's either missing alltogheter (which would explain why the system doesnt WORK correctly) or it is indeed a VERY RARE and early prototype of the A1000...
Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: scuzzb494 on May 23, 2010, 04:30:14 PM
Quote from: Metalguy66;560401
Can I ask one question for anyone who has ever seen the inside of an A1000 before...

WHERE IS THE DAUGHTERBOARD???

It's either missing alltogheter (which would explain why the system doesnt WORK correctly) or it is indeed a VERY RARE and early prototype of the A1000...




There is no daughterboard in an Amiga 1000... Or are you talking about the expansion often installed to the machine..

http://www.commodore-amiga-retro.com/amiga/car_0106/car_0106_070.jpg

http://www.commodore-amiga-retro.com/amiga/car_0106/car_0106_075.jpg

http://www.commodore-amiga-retro.com/amiga/amiga_scuzz294.htm

PS: This shows you how to take the 1000 apart

http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Commodore-Amiga-1000-Teardown/2266/1

scuzz
Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: bloodline on May 23, 2010, 04:35:41 PM
Quote from: scuzzb494;560415
There is no daughterboard in an Amiga 1000... Or are you talking about the expansion often installed to the machine..

http://www.commodore-amiga-retro.com/amiga/car_0106/car_0106_070.jpg

http://www.commodore-amiga-retro.com/amiga/car_0106/car_0106_075.jpg

http://www.commodore-amiga-retro.com/amiga/amiga_scuzz294.htm

scuzz
My A1K mobo has the daughter board, it is an array of PAL Logic chips that became Garry in the A500.
Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: Metalguy66 on May 23, 2010, 04:41:37 PM
Yeah, scuzz.. you evidently havent seen the inside of too many A1000s...

I had 6 of them, and every single one had the daughterboard..

In this pic:

http://mynikonphotos.com/amiga/assembled1.jpg

The board in the back is an aftermarket "A1000 insider" ram expansion.. The board near the front, is the daughterboard that cam factory on the machine..

It's possible that some revisions came with no daughterboard.. all of the onese I had were US sold NTSC machines.. All had the daughterboard..

So see if that board has a GARY (5719) chip..
Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: mongo on May 23, 2010, 05:23:00 PM
NTSC A1000's had the daughterboard, PAL ones didn't.
Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: clusteruk on May 23, 2010, 05:34:32 PM
Not sure if this is relevant but just in case people out there do not know what this great machine is capable of, two of my videos.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkHsf7AYlNc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOQkxZ4nhdg
Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: AmigaHeretic on May 23, 2010, 06:12:54 PM
Quote from: mongo;560424
NTSC A1000's had the daughterboard, PAL ones didn't.


Yeah, I think you are right. My A1000 (ntsc) had a daughter board.


So is this one PAL or missing the daughterboard,  or could it possibly be a rare NTSC version w/out daughter board?


These are great pictures btw.  Thanks for the quality and quantity.  Super awesome find.
Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: scuzzb494 on May 23, 2010, 06:27:26 PM
Quote from: Metalguy66;560418
Yeah, scuzz.. you evidently havent seen the inside of too many A1000s...

I had 6 of them, and every single one had the daughterboard..

In this pic:

http://mynikonphotos.com/amiga/assembled1.jpg

The board in the back is an aftermarket "A1000 insider" ram expansion.. The board near the front, is the daughterboard that cam factory on the machine..

It's possible that some revisions came with no daughterboard.. all of the onese I had were US sold NTSC machines.. All had the daughterboard..

So see if that board has a GARY (5719) chip..


I have no idea where this guy is from but here in the UK all my PAL versions have no daughter board. And there are three Amiga 1000s in this room... So why would I think the 1000 needed a daughter board. The machine I showed works fine. Seems odd that you would need a board just to work in the computers native country. Anyway I bow to your superior knowledge...

PAL Motherboard

http://amiga.resource.cx/photos/a1000,5

NTSC

http://amiga.resource.cx/photos/a1000,2

You learn something every day.


scuzz
Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: AmigaHeretic on May 23, 2010, 06:44:35 PM
Quote from: scuzzb494;560429
Seems odd that you would need a board just to work in the computers native country.

scuzz


Yeah, you wouldn't know.  It's hard to know every model let alone what they all look like inside. :)

I don't know for sure, but I think the large daughter board was eventually shrunk down to the be the "Gary" chip later on.  The PAL machines came out later than the NTSC and probably had Gary in them by then.  I believe later models of the A1000 (ntsc) no longer had the daughter board either, but a Gary chip as well.

So A1000s came out before Gary existed I believe, that is why it is sort of odd this has no daughterboard.
Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: spirantho on May 23, 2010, 06:44:55 PM
I could be wrong but I believe that particular chip wasn't ready so they had to use lots of programmable ones. By the time the PAL one came out they'd had time to mask the custom chip properly.

Nice fine, though! And for goodness sake don't modify it unless you know exactly what you're doing....!
Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: AmigaHeretic on May 23, 2010, 06:48:00 PM
Quote from: spirantho;560432
I could be wrong but I believe that particular chip wasn't ready so they had to use lots of programmable ones. By the time the PAL one came out they'd had time to mask the custom chip properly.

Nice fine, though! And for goodness sake don't modify it unless you know exactly what you're doing....!



I think it is the same with EHB mode.  Early NTSC 1000s didn't have EHB mode.  Later NTSC A1000s had EHB and all PAL A1000 had EHB.  

Anyone know when the first PAL A1000s were released?
Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: Jope on May 23, 2010, 06:51:57 PM
I've owned PAL A1000s with daughterboards.. There's a few revisions of the A1000 mobo.
Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: mknkt on May 23, 2010, 06:57:17 PM
Well, I was testing those cut resistors last night and it turns out they are for the right and left rear speaker ports.  I had static noice in the left speaker when I touched my testing probe to one and vice versa.  I will leave them alone though.  I WILL BE LISTING THIS ON EBAY WITHIN THE NEXT COUPLE OF HOURS!!!  Keep Any Eye Out!
Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: mknkt on May 23, 2010, 06:59:39 PM
Thank all of you for your input and interest, hopefully someone here will win!
Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: bitman on May 23, 2010, 07:34:22 PM
Where did you get it from?
Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: mknkt on May 23, 2010, 07:47:00 PM
Quote from: bitman;560439
Where did you get it from?


I'll keep it a surprise until I list it on ebay...
Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: koaftder on May 23, 2010, 08:33:28 PM
Quote from: mknkt;560351
More pics... in one of them there are two ?resistors? that are cut??? should I try soldering them back together:confused:


No! Put that soldering iron DOWN!
Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: AmigaHeretic on May 23, 2010, 08:36:33 PM
Quote from: koaftder;560448
No! Put that soldering iron DOWN!


Just unsolder all the pieces and sell them separately.  :-)
Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: mknkt on May 23, 2010, 08:48:11 PM
Quote from: AmigaHeretic;560449
Just unsolder all the pieces and sell them separately.  :-)

Sounds like a good idea... :roflmao:

Only kidding, no worries...:roflmao:
Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: mknkt on May 23, 2010, 10:03:17 PM
I have just listed it on ebay... listing will be as follows::hammer:

**Amiga Commodore 1000 Development System  Prototype**
Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: koaftder on May 23, 2010, 10:33:50 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/Amiga-Commodore-1000-Development-System-Prototype-/200475664154?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2ead47df1a#ht_500wt_1120

Whoever wins this, please dump those roms. Happy bidding (I'm not gonna win this thing ): )
Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: TheBilgeRat on May 23, 2010, 10:38:00 PM
I bid on it once just to say I did :D
Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: bbond007 on May 23, 2010, 11:44:25 PM
Quote from: TheBilgeRat;560460
I bid on it once just to say I did :D

I don't want that junk... but I ran up the bid a bit...
Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: mknkt on May 23, 2010, 11:46:22 PM
Quote from: TheBilgeRat;560460
I bid on it once just to say I did :D

Thanks for the support:)
Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: Boudicca on May 24, 2010, 12:01:27 AM
>I found an Amiga forum and posted it on there to see if I could get some more info on it and if it was even worth anything... well... here's the link to the posting:

Wow, now that is a bit wrong fella. By linking to the amiga.org website, you could easily bring this forum and its members into disrepute. By implication you are using the Amiga Org site to give providence to your item, where none may exist. That is pretty low thing to do. I suggest before your item is removed from ebay you cancel and resubmit without mentioning Amiga org or its members in any future auction, I am not an admin but go do the research, get the evidence but don't drag this forums name down into your Ebay auctions thats really not nice.

Rant mode off.
Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: Pentad on May 24, 2010, 12:24:13 AM
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Those two guys were not involved with the Amiga at this stage, so they might not have the best knowledge about this era. You want some of those guys whose names are written beneath the top cover of production A1000s.. They were actually there.


Actually, both Herd and Haynie were present at Los Gatos when Commodore purchased Amiga, Inc.   In Bagnall's book they are quoted about working with Amiga, Inc. right after the purchase.

However, if the machine was a Lorraine era computer then you would probably be correct.

One of the reasons I would start with one of them is because the machine says Commodore on it.   This is a development machine and I would venture that both Herd and Haynie would have some knowledge of it.  

Anyway, I would start with Bil Herd or Dave Haynie and ask them.  If they don't know they could probably point to somebody that might.

I think Dave Needle did the 256k front expansion on the 1000 so he might be somebody else to try as well....

-P
Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: mknkt on May 24, 2010, 12:45:57 AM
Quote from: Boudicca;560477
>I found an Amiga forum and posted it on there to see if I could get some more info on it and if it was even worth anything... well... here's the link to the posting:

Wow, now that is a bit wrong fella. By linking to the amiga.org website, you could easily bring this forum and its members into disrepute. By implication you are using the Amiga Org site to give providence to your item, where none may exist. That is pretty low thing to do. I suggest before your item is removed from ebay you cancel and resubmit without mentioning Amiga org or its members in any future auction, I am not an admin but go do the research, get the evidence but don't drag this forums name down into your Ebay auctions thats really not nice.

Rant mode off.

Sorry, but I didn't think I was doing anything wrong...:(
Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: mknkt on May 24, 2010, 01:33:08 AM
Sorry, I didn't know you couldn't post links in your ad... it has been reposted:hammer:
Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: odin on May 24, 2010, 02:12:20 AM
@bouddica:
That's a bit strong there if you ask me. How exactly would linking to a.org reflect negatively on it?
-edit-
Here's the new auction: http://tinyurl.com/343jra6
Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: dannyp1 on May 24, 2010, 02:18:14 AM
I didn't realize you were doing anything wrong either.  I guess once something is posted here it is no longer your intellectual property.  This is an awfully public forum to be private.  What happens if someone reads the new posting, has heard of Amiga.org, comes here and reads about the computer?  Does this also make this site look bad?  Maybe everything should be erased as soon as it is submitted.  It would make for a useless site but we wouldn't have to worry about being in disrepute.  I would suggest that if you don't want something you write read,  you shouldn't write it!
Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: Tension on May 24, 2010, 03:22:29 AM
Quote from: dannyp1;560489
I didn't realize you were doing anything wrong either.  I guess once something is posted here it is no longer your intellectual property.  This is an awfully public forum to be private.  What happens if someone reads the new posting, has heard of Amiga.org, comes here and reads about the computer?  Does this also make this site look bad?  Maybe everything should be erased as soon as it is submitted.  It would make for a useless site but we wouldn't have to worry about being in disrepute.  I would suggest that if you don't want something you write read,  you shouldn't write it!


+1
Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: Gulliver on May 24, 2010, 03:22:33 AM
Quote from: dannyp1;560489
I didn't realize you were doing anything wrong either.  I guess once something is posted here it is no longer your intellectual property.  This is an awfully public forum to be private.  What happens if someone reads the new posting, has heard of Amiga.org, comes here and reads about the computer?  Does this also make this site look bad?  Maybe everything should be erased as soon as it is submitted.  It would make for a useless site but we wouldn't have to worry about being in disrepute.  I would suggest that if you don't want something you write read,  you shouldn't write it!


+1
Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: mknkt on May 24, 2010, 05:44:42 AM
Hey Boudicca (http://amiga.org/forums/member.php?u=620) I have reposted my ad on ebay and have since then revised it... please let me know if it meets your requirements.  Thank you so much... Noob:(:hammer::rtfm:
Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: koaftder on May 24, 2010, 06:21:21 AM
Quote from: Boudicca;560477
>I found an Amiga forum and posted it on there to see if I could get some more info on it and if it was even worth anything... well... here's the link to the posting:

Wow, now that is a bit wrong fella. By linking to the amiga.org website, you could easily bring this forum and its members into disrepute. By implication you are using the Amiga Org site to give providence to your item, where none may exist. That is pretty low thing to do. I suggest before your item is removed from ebay you cancel and resubmit without mentioning Amiga org or its members in any future auction, I am not an admin but go do the research, get the evidence but don't drag this forums name down into your Ebay auctions thats really not nice.

Rant mode off.


This isn't Amigaworld.net, our new friend is in good hands.
Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: salax54 on May 24, 2010, 08:12:32 AM
@mknkt: good luck with your sale man!
Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: mknkt on May 24, 2010, 08:24:55 AM
Quote from: salax54;560528
@mknkt: good luck with your sale man!

Thanks so much:biglaugh:
Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: Boudicca on May 24, 2010, 08:32:40 AM
Quote from: mknkt;560529
Thanks so much:biglaugh:


Yes, also good luck, thanks for understanding ;) Sorry if I came across a little loud. Was late at night in the UK ;)
Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: mikeymike on May 24, 2010, 08:38:01 AM
I can't believe someone left a prototype in a pub *again*! :)
Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: mknkt on May 24, 2010, 08:38:04 AM
Quote from: Boudicca;560531
Yes, also good luck, thanks for understanding ;) Sorry if I came across a little loud. Was late at night in the UK ;)

No prob, like I said, I can understand where your coming from... slate clean:rolleyes:;)
Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: mknkt on May 24, 2010, 09:00:43 PM
Hey:confused: I just powered the system on one more time before I package it up and instead of the green garble, I'm getting a black screen with horizontal maroon  lines... anyone know what that means:confused:
Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: save2600 on May 24, 2010, 09:35:57 PM
It means you still do not have a working A1000 computer and quit fussing with it before the little red light in front extinguishes forever.  :lol:
Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: mknkt on May 24, 2010, 09:46:11 PM
Quote from: save2600;560707
It means you still do not have a working A1000 computer and quit fussing with it before the little red light in front extinguishes forever.  :lol:

True, true :) thanks...
Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: Pentad on May 24, 2010, 09:46:14 PM
Good Luck!

I'm just asking here - did it ever boot to a Kickstart Screen on a standard monitor or composite?  I'm not criticizing, I was just wondering.  :-)


-P
Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: mknkt on May 24, 2010, 10:04:21 PM
Quote from: Pentad;560710
Good Luck!

I'm just asking here - did it ever boot to a Kickstart Screen on a standard monitor or composite?  I'm not criticizing, I was just wondering.  :-)


-P

No, never got a kickstart screen, sorry
Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: Jope on May 24, 2010, 10:36:58 PM
Quote from: Pentad;560479
Actually, both Herd and Haynie were present at Los Gatos when Commodore purchased Amiga, Inc.   In Bagnall's book they are quoted about working with Amiga, Inc. right after the purchase.

I must admit I have a hole in my history knowledge here. What book is this?

I was under the impression that Herd and Haynie were still working with the C-128 during that time, Haynie then shifted to the Amiga world for the B2000.
Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: odin on May 24, 2010, 11:16:55 PM
Quote from: Jope;560721
I must admit I have a hole in my history knowledge here. What book is this?

I was under the impression that Herd and Haynie were still working with the C-128 during that time, Haynie then shifted to the Amiga world for the B2000.


On the edge: the spectacular rise and fall of Commodore by Bagnall:
http://tinyurl.com/2u8q8vv

A bit shoddily redacted (typos and spelling errors); nevertheless a great read. A must buy for anyone interested in the inner workings of Commodore.
Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: Drummerboy on May 25, 2010, 12:39:42 AM
Quote from: mknkt;560713
No, never got a kickstart screen, sorry


Hey!..  dont sale it!. Better give to me like a Gift!..
Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: mknkt on May 25, 2010, 01:00:51 AM
Quote from: Drummerboy;560745
Hey!..  dont sale it!. Better give to me like a Gift!..

I would but it's already up to $255 on ebay  :biglaugh:
Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: mknkt on May 25, 2010, 07:26:42 PM
I took a close up picture of the only shipping label on the box.  I just realized it was shipped by Federal Express.  FedEx was Federal Express from 1973 til 2000.  I'm trying to figure out where this was shipped to or from... Any info on this older label would be great!:)

[ATTACH]682[/ATTACH]
Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: Jope on May 25, 2010, 07:39:26 PM
Quote from: odin;560725
On the edge: the spectacular rise and fall of Commodore by Bagnall:
http://tinyurl.com/2u8q8vv

A bit shoddily redacted (typos and spelling errors); nevertheless a great read. A must buy for anyone interested in the inner workings of Commodore.


Ah yes, I have that on my shelf but haven't read it in years.. I guess I need to check it again.

Another one that's worth hunting down: The home computer wars (Tomczyk).. You'll find most of the 8-bit era text in rise and fall is pretty similar. :-)

Hmm, it was actually one of the first hits on google, the book has been out of print for years.
http://www.retrocomputing.net/info/hcw-ebook.txt
Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: mknkt on May 26, 2010, 01:50:03 AM
I have created an Online Picture Gallery with all the photos...  

http://mknkt.imgur.com/
Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: Pentad on May 26, 2010, 02:24:17 AM
I'm looking at the pics (Thanks!!)

What's taped to the 68000 CPU?

-P
Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: mknkt on May 26, 2010, 03:04:37 AM
Quote from: Pentad;561009
I'm looking at the pics (Thanks!!)

What's taped to the 68000 CPU?

-P

Some sort of jumper...:confused:
Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: mknkt on May 30, 2010, 03:57:31 AM
The auction ends SOON... Don't miss out...:hammer:
Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: hishamk on May 30, 2010, 09:18:00 PM
Haynie was gracious enough to shed some more light on this find:

"It looks fairly reasonable. It's clearly not the early prototypes...
the, based on the "Zorro" motherboard, were in black steel cases with
5.25" floppy and expansion "chimney", though the top of the board. This
was the state of the protoype shortly after Commodore bought Amiga.

The plastic here all looks correct, but it's clearly not the final
plastic -- it say "Commodore" not "Amiga", and there are no signatures
in the lid.

I'm not disturbed by the laser-printer label.  I didn't see this sort
before, but assuming this is using early plastic and all, it was
probably a unit sent to developers. There's some date code, 6/28...
presumably, June 28, 1985, which would reinforce that idea. These would
have been fairly small in number, and yeah, for this kind of thing, we
often just printed up labels in the lab, or even hand-labelled them.

Chip-wise, it has the 6526, which was the predecessor of the 8520. The
8520 is basically a MOS HMOS-III version of the 6526, with a few tweaks
requested by the Amiga software team. You can see the 8362 Denise, 8364
Paula, and 8361 Agnus chips, all of which are the right vintage for a
pre-production Amiga... all with mid-early 1985 datecodes.

Curiously, it's a Hitachi 68000, but that's possible... Commodore went
shopping. We were paying $2.50 for a 68000 while Apple was paying over
$8.00 for the same chip."

"My guess, this is one of the units that went to developers. So,
basically a pre-production unit, not an engineering prototype. You can
see that kickstart is in ROM, two 8-bit EPROMs rather than the WCS board
used in A1000 production. That also makes some sense.. the WCS was a
late idea."

Hope this helps any potential bidders assess its true value.
Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: TjLaZer on May 30, 2010, 09:28:27 PM
Quote from: mknkt;561994
The auction ends SOON... Don't miss out...:hammer:

Looks like some rich European is winning (with the Euro to USD advantage to boot, even with the money market problems over there too) LOL  Too rich for my blood.
Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: mknkt on May 30, 2010, 09:53:05 PM
Quote from: hishamk;562122
Haynie was gracious enough to shed some more light on this find:
 
"It looks fairly reasonable. It's clearly not the early prototypes...
the, based on the "Zorro" motherboard, were in black steel cases with
5.25" floppy and expansion "chimney", though the top of the board. This
was the state of the protoype shortly after Commodore bought Amiga.
 
The plastic here all looks correct, but it's clearly not the final
plastic -- it say "Commodore" not "Amiga", and there are no signatures
in the lid.
 
I'm not disturbed by the laser-printer label. I didn't see this sort
before, but assuming this is using early plastic and all, it was
probably a unit sent to developers. There's some date code, 6/28...
presumably, June 28, 1985, which would reinforce that idea. These would
have been fairly small in number, and yeah, for this kind of thing, we
often just printed up labels in the lab, or even hand-labelled them.
 
Chip-wise, it has the 6526, which was the predecessor of the 8520. The
8520 is basically a MOS HMOS-III version of the 6526, with a few tweaks
requested by the Amiga software team. You can see the 8362 Denise, 8364
Paula, and 8361 Agnus chips, all of which are the right vintage for a
pre-production Amiga... all with mid-early 1985 datecodes.
 
Curiously, it's a Hitachi 68000, but that's possible... Commodore went
shopping. We were paying $2.50 for a 68000 while Apple was paying over
$8.00 for the same chip."
 
"My guess, this is one of the units that went to developers. So,
basically a pre-production unit, not an engineering prototype. You can
see that kickstart is in ROM, two 8-bit EPROMs rather than the WCS board
used in A1000 production. That also makes some sense.. the WCS was a
late idea."
 
Hope this helps any potential bidders assess its true value.

Thank you very much for your post...:)
Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: Pentad on May 30, 2010, 10:42:07 PM
Boy, we really need to get a copy of the Kickstart in this machine.  A great historical find and I would like to preserve all we can before its gone.  What a rare treat!
Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: tone007 on May 30, 2010, 10:46:19 PM
Quote from: Pentad;562135
Boy, we really need to get a copy of the Kickstart in this machine.  A great historical find and I would like to preserve all we can before its gone.  What a rare treat!


Might already be gone, given the problems booting. Evil bitrot!
Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: B00tDisk on May 30, 2010, 11:14:22 PM
Quote from: Pentad;562135
Boy, we really need to get a copy of the Kickstart in this machine.  A great historical find and I would like to preserve all we can before its gone.  What a rare treat!


Why?  What could be done with it?
Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: TjLaZer on May 30, 2010, 11:23:43 PM
Quote from: B00tDisk;562139
Why?  What could be done with it?


zapped EPROMS?  25 year old EPROMs? Bitrot?  Many possibilities.   Hmmmmm lol
Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: tone007 on May 30, 2010, 11:42:13 PM
B00tdisk's question was probably more along the lines of "what good would the KS code be," practically not much, just something to look at for curiosity's sake.
Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: mknkt on May 31, 2010, 01:38:38 AM
SOLD:hammer:
Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: Gulliver on May 31, 2010, 02:16:26 AM
Congratulations!

Just out of curiosity, How much was the final bid?
Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: CaptChaos on May 31, 2010, 02:20:28 AM
So what is the backstory to this Amiga and how did it come into your posession?
Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: Pentad on May 31, 2010, 02:27:01 AM
Quote from: B00tDisk;562139
Why?  What could be done with it?


Well, its apart of the Amiga's history.   There is nothing that can be 'done' by any average user but its apart of the Amiga's history and to those who enjoy the Amiga's history, its something to analyze.   To see where they were then and where they went.

I personally would like to look at the code to see what changes they made from this revision to the earliest Kickstart that is archived now.

You know, if people don't record this stuff, it will be gone forever much sooner than anybody realizes.

I feel very strongly about preserving and archiving not just Amiga history but basically the last 30 years of technology.   The software, the computers, the articles, the magazines, the actual history of the computer revolution is quickly disappearing.

I can't name another 'industry' that changes so much and so quickly.   I can still buy parts for a '65 Ford Mustang, but look how hard it is to get dips for an Amiga 3000 that is so much younger...

Copyrights and patents be damed, I would like to see it all archived by somebody so that in the future, if a student (or hobbyist) a hundred years from now wants to write a research paper on the 8 Bit Computer Revolution, they have a broad selection of archived material to look at.

Once its lost, its lost to the future, I think that is kind of sad...

-P
Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: scuzzb494 on May 31, 2010, 03:00:39 AM
Quote from: Pentad;562164


Once its lost, its lost to the future, I think that is kind of sad...

-P


Fortunately there seems to be more and more people collecting the computers now so there is more of a chance of the technology surviving. My collections will stay safe till I die at least but after that.... well who knows.

scuzz
http://www.commodore-amiga-retro.com
Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: Pentad on May 31, 2010, 03:42:28 AM
Quote from: scuzzb494;562169
Fortunately there seems to be more and more people collecting the computers now so there is more of a chance of the technology surviving. My collections will stay safe till I die at least but after that.... well who knows.

scuzz
http://www.commodore-amiga-retro.com


Scuzz,

I appreciate what you are trying to say and I think its great but you are also an example of one of the issues that I see.   Your collection could be awesome but its a private collection.  I'm not saying that you wouldn't be kind enough if somebody was doing some sort of research that you would help them out but your archive is invisible to researchers.  

Please, don't think that I'm saying anything negative but as you stated who maintains your collection after you're gone?

I wanted to share another example with all of you.  I was writing a paper linking fear, computers (technology) and nuclear war in the 1980s.   I wanted some articles from some big name magazines from the time:  Creative Computing, Compute!, Byte, etc...

I emailed the head of the university library where I worked for help.  You know what?  I couldn't find any of the articles through easy to use regular channels anymore.   I had to jump through a whole bunch of hoops but when I asked why the librarian mentioned a new term to me:  Extinction through popularity.   These magazines had been so popular, so large, that many libraries just threw them out thinking others will carry them because they are were popular.   Well, it turned out none of them kept them.

I mean I understand why from a current technology point of view but if you wanted to look back it became problematic.

So, anyway, there is my rant...  :-)


Cheers!
-P
Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: mknkt on June 01, 2010, 06:33:54 AM
The auction ended at $1526... I got on a sight called Craigslist (a free want ads sight ) and went to the free section.  Someone had posted an ad that he had a lot of computer equipment for free, so I called and I was the first caller.  While my buddy and I were going through the equipment, I mentioned that my first pc was a commodore 64 and he said he had one new in the box.  I got it home and after a few days I opened up the box and saw that it wasn't a 64, so I started researching it and... "Now you know the rest of the story"  Thanks for everyone's support and hopefully the winner will give us some more in depth info on this development system...
Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: Steady on June 01, 2010, 10:11:40 AM
+1 for a dump of the roms if possible.
Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: Crom00 on June 01, 2010, 02:49:11 PM
Quote from: Steady;562356
+1 for a dump of the roms if possible.


I like that the Commodore brand is recessed into front of the casework.  The A1000 was really nice. You know a couple of low profile zorro slots instead of the slap on the side expansion would have made this a perfect design. The Keyboard garage was usefull.
Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: JGB on June 01, 2010, 03:07:08 PM
The white rectangular barcode sticker on top of the Federal Express Priority sticker shows that it went through the FedEx hub.  The hub did three levels of sorting on all packages, based on the Zipcode.  In the primary sort, the Zipcode was keyed in, which action generated this sticker.  The values on the sticker were used in the secondary and tertiary sorts to get the package on the right plane back out of Memphis.  It won't tell you much beyond maybe the recipient zipcode.
Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: mknkt on June 29, 2010, 09:44:29 AM
I can't believe how many views this thread has... WOW:eek:
Title: Re: I have a new in box Commodore Amiga 1000 Prototype
Post by: mcb on February 26, 2015, 01:59:07 PM
I think this thread deserves an update and a link to the two recently rediscovered Velvet systems:

http://scacom.bplaced.net/Collection/velvet/velvet.php