"Friendly Fire"

[Karlos]

Transcript here

Now, I wonder why the US Military were reluctant to release this? Could it be because it shows just how inept their procedures are?

(emphasis mine)

1336.30 MANILA HOTEL: POPOV from MANILA HOTEL. Can you confirm you engaged that tube and those vehicles?
1336.36 POPOV35: Affirm Sir. Looks like I've got multiple vehicles in reverts at about 800 metres to the north of your arty rounds. Can you switch fire, and shift fire, and get some arty rounds on those?
1336.47 MANILA HOTEL: Roger, I understand that those are the impacts you observed earlier on my timing?
1336.51 POPOV35: Affirmative.
1336.52 MANILA HOTEL: Roger, standby. Let me make sure they're not on another mission.
1336.57 POPOV36: Hey, I got a four ship. Looks like we got orange panels on them though. Do we have any friendlies up in this area?
1337.03 MANILA HOTEL: I understand that was north 800 metres.
1337.12 MANILA HOTEL: POPOV, understand that was north 800 metres?
1337.16 POPOV35: Confirm, north 800 metres. Confirm there are no friendlies this far north on the ground.
1337.21 MANILA HOTEL: That is an affirm. You are well clear of friendlies.
1337.25 POPOV35: Copy. I see multiple riveted vehicles. Some look like flatbed trucks and others are green vehicles. Can't quite make out the type. Look like may be ZIL157s (Russian made trucks used by Iraqi army).
1337.36 MANILA HOTEL: Roger. That matches our Intel up there. And understand you also have the other fixed wing up this push? For terminal control, if you can.
1337.44 POPOV35: I'd love to. I didn't talk to him yet.
1337.46 MANILA HOTEL: Roger, I believe CASPER is up this push too. Two Super Tomcats.
1337.54 POPOV35: Hey dude.
1337.56 POPOV36: I got a four ship of vehicles that are evenly spaced along a road going north.
1338.04 POPOV36: Look down at your right, 2 o'clock, at 10 o'clock low, there is a, left 10 o'clock low, look down there north along that canal, right there. Coming up just south of the village.
1338.21 POPOV35: Evenly spaced? Where we strafed?
1338.23 POPOV36: No. No. Further east, further west, right now. And there's four or five of them right now heading up there.
1338.29 POPOV35: No, I don't have you visual.
1338.30 POPOV36: I'm back at your 6 - no factor.
1338.31 POPOV35: OK, now where's this canal?
1338.35 POPOV35: Don't hit those F18s that are out there.
1338.38 POPOV36: OK. Right underneath you. Right now, there's a canal that runs north/south. There's a small village, and there are vehicles that are spaced evenly there.
1338.49 POPOV36: They look like they have orange panels on though.
1338.51 POPOV35: He told me, he told me there's nobody north of here.
1338.52 POPOV36: I know. There, right on the river.
1338.53 POPOV35: I see vehicles though, might be our original dudes.
1339.09 POPOV36: They've got something orange on top of them.
1339.10 POPOV35: POPOV for MANILA 3, is MANILA 34 in this area?
1339.14 MANILA HOTEL: Say again?
1339.15 POPOV35: MANILA HOTEL, is MANILA 34 in this area?
1339.19 MANILA HOTEL: Negative. Understand they are well clear of that now.
1339.23 POPOV35: OK, copy. Like I said, multiple riveted vehicles. They look like flatbed trucks. Are those your targets?
1339.30 MANILA HOTEL: That's affirm.
1339.31 POPOV35: OK.
1339.34 POPOV36: Let me ask you one question.
1339.35 POPOV35: What's that?
1339.45 POPO36: (to MANILA HOTEL) Hey, tell me what type of rocket launchers you got up here?
1339.50 POPOV36: I think they're rocket launchers.
1339.52 MANILA HOTEL: . . . (garbled) You were stepped on, say again.
1339.54 POPOV35: MANILA HOTEL, fire your arty (artillery) up that 800 metres north, and see how we do.
1340.01 MANILA HOTEL: Roger, standby for shot. They are getting adjustments to the guns now.
1340.34 POPOV35: Copy.
1340.09 POPOV36: Roll up your right wing and look right underneath you.
1340.12 POPOV35: (angry) I know what you're talking about.
1340.13 POPOV36: OK, well they got orange rockets on them.
1340.17 POPOV35: Orange rockets?
1340.17 POPOV36: Yeah, I think so.
1340.18 POPOV35: Let me look.
1340.26 POPOV35: We need to think about getting home.
1340.29 POPOV36: 3.6 is what it says (a fuel measurement).
1340.31 POPOV35: Yeah, I know. I'm talking time wise.
1340.35 POPOV36: I think killing these damn rocket launchers, it would be great.
(The tape then becomes garbled)
1340.52 MANILA HOTEL: Yeah, POPOV36, MANILA HOTEL. I've got other aircraft up this push. Not sure they're coming to me. Someone else might be working this freak.
1341.00 POPOV35: Yeah, MANILA34 is working them, break, break.
1340.12 POPOV36: Yeah, I see that, you see I'm going to roll down.
1340.15 MANILA 34: Break, be advised MANILA34 is not working the F18s unless they are trying to check in with me, over.
1341.21 POPOV35: Copy.
1341.24 POPOV36:
OK, do you see the orange things on top of them?
1341.32 MANILA HOTEL: POPOV 36 from MANILA HOTEL. Are you able to switch to Crimson?
1341.37 POPOV36: POPOV 36 is rolling in.
1341.40 MANILA HOTEL: Tell you what.
1341.41 POPOV35: I'm coming off west. You roll in. It looks like they are exactly what we're talking about.
1341.49 POPOV36: We got visual.
1341.50 POPOV36: OK. I want to get that first one before he gets into town then.
1341.53 POPOV35: Get him - get him.
1341.55 POPOV36: All right, we got rocket launchers, it looks like. Number 2 is rolling in from the south to the north, and 2's in.
1342.04 POPOV35: Get it.
POPOV36, "rolls in" for an attack and turns his A-10 into a vertical dive to strafe the British column, destroying two Scimitar armoured vehicles and killing L/Cpl of Horse Matty Hull.
1342.09 - GUNFIRE -
1342.18 POPOV35: I'm off your west.
1342.22 POPOV35: Good hits.
1342.29 POPOV36: Got a visual.
1342.30 POPOV35: I got a visual. You're at your high 10.
1342.31 POPOV36: Gotcha.
1342.30 POPOV36: That's what you think they are, right?
1342.39 POPOV35: It looks like it to me, and I got my goggles on them now.
1342.59 POPOV35: OK, I'm looking at getting down low at this.
1343.13 MANILA HOTEL: POPOV 36 from MANILA HOTEL, guns . . .
1343.17 MANILA HOTEL: To engage those targets in the revetts (slopes).
1343.24 POPOV36: It looks like he is hauling ass. Ha ha. Is that what you think they are?
1343.34 POPOV36: 1-2
1343.35 POPOV35: It doesn't look friendly.
1343.38 POPOV36: OK, I'm in again from the south.
1343.40 POPOV35: Ok.
1343.47 - GUNFIRE -
1343.54 LIGHTNING 34: POPOV 34, LIGHTNING 34.
1344.09 POPOV35: POPOV 35, LIGHTNING 34 GO.
1344.12 LIGHTNING 34: Roger, POPOV. Be advised that in the 3122 and 3222 group box you have friendly armour in the area. Yellow, small armoured tanks. Just be advised.
1344.16 POPOV35: Ahh s***.
1344.19 P0POV35: Got a - got a smoke.
1344.21 LIGHTNING 34: Hey, POPOV34, abort your mission. You got a, looks we might have a blue on blue situation.
1344.25 POPOV35: F***. God bless it.
1344.29 POPOV35: POPOV 34.
1344.35 POPOV35: F***, f***, f***.
1344.36 MANILA 34: POPOV34, this is MANILA 34. Did you copy my last, over?
1344.39 POPOV35: I did.
1344.47 POPOV35: Confirm those are friendlies on that side of the canal.
1344.51 POPOV35: S***.
1344.58 MANILA 34: Standby POPOV.
1345.04 POPOV36: God dammit.
1344.14 MANILA HOTEL: Hey POPOV 36, from MANILA HOTEL.
1344.25 MANILA 34: OK POPOV. Just west of the 3-4 easting. On the berm up there, the 3422 area is where we have our friendlies, over.
1344.39 POPOV35: All right, POPOV 35 has smoke. Let me know how those friendlies are right now, please.
1344.45 MANILA 34: Roger, standby.
1344.49 POPOV35: Gotta go home dude.
1344.50 POPOV36: Yeah, I know. We're f***ed.
1345.54 POPOV35: S***.
1346.01 POPOV36: As you cross the circle, you are 3 o'clock low.
1346.03 POPOV35: Roger.
1346.12 POPOV35: POPOV 35 is Bingo. Let us know what's happening.
13446.15 MANILA HOTEL: Roger. We are getting that information for you right now. Standby.
1346.20 POPOV36: F***.
1346.47 MANILA 34: POPOV, this is MANILA 34 over.
1346.51 POPOV35: Go.
1346.55 MANILA 34: POPOV 4, MANILA 34 over.
1347.01 POPOV35: Go.
1347.02 MANILA 34: We are getting an initial brief that there was one killed and one wounded, over.
1347.09 POPOV35: Copy. RTB (return to base).
1347.18 POPOV35: I'm going to be sick.
1347.24 POPOV36: Ah f***.
1347.48 POPOV35: Did you hear?
1347.51 POPOV36: Yeah, this sucks.
1347.52 POPOV35: We're in jail dude.
1347.59 POPOV36: Aaaahhhh.
1348.12 SKY CHIEF: MANILA this is SKY CHIEF over.
1348.18 MANILA34: This is MANILA 34, send SKY CHIEF.
1348.22 COSTA58: SKY CHIEF, SKY CHIEF. COSTA 58.
1348.25 MANILA HOTEL: SKY CHIEF, this is MANILA HOTEL.
1348.30 COSTA58: SKY CHIEF, SKY CHIEF. COSTA 58.
1348.41 SKY CHIEF: Relaying for TWINACT, the A-10s are running against friendlies.
1348.47 COSTA58: POPOV 35, this is COSTA58. Relaying message for TWINACT. Abort, abort.
1348.54 SKY CHIEF: MANILA how copy A-10s are running against friendlies. Abort. Over.
1349.07 COSTA58: From TWINACT, abort, abort.
1349. 11 POPOV35: POPOV 35 aborting.
1349.14 COSTA58: We will relay that back to TWINACT.
1349.18 POPOV36: F***. God f***ing s***.
1350.21 POPOV36: Dammit. F***ing damn it.
1351.17 P0POV36: God dammit. F*** me dead (weeping).
1351.25 POPOV35: You with me?
1351.27 POPOV36: Yeah.
1351.30 POPOV35: They did say there were no friendlies.
1351.33 POPOV36: Yeah, I know that thing with the orange panels is going to screw us. They look like orange rockets on top.
1351.48 POPOV35: Your tape still on?
1351.49 POPOV36: Yeah.
1351.54 POPOV35: Mine is end of tape.

Notice how they engage a target without knowing for sure what it is, then go at it a second time, still without being certain?

Its also quite disturbing that pilots of a tankbuster can't distinguish a tank from a flatbed truck.

[Karlos]

I'm just waiting for Metalman to post a few links to articles explaining how it was all the British army's fault...

This, being a high profile case means we have ultimately gotten a bit of insight into "operational procedure" there.

It makes me wonder. How many times were there conflicting reports between news agencies (both local and global) regarding airstrikes against civillian targets that competed with the US military insistance that said targets were purely insurgents/whatever?

If they can shoot up their own allies in this "trigger-happy", lax manner, doesn't that actually cast reasonable doubt on at least some of the cases above?

It's not like the they would take any greater care over civilians compared to their own troops/allies and it's also not the case that said civillians could insist on an inquest or obtain any kind of footage to prove their side of the story.

Call me cynical...

[Karlos]

@jkirk

Ah, but you are seemingly missing the depth of cynicism here. I'm suggesting that in light of this it's conceivable that some of these "successes" that have been reported, such as the "elimination" of "groups of insurgents" etc. were in fact just similar blunders made against ordinary Iraqis.

How many reports were there that contradicted said claims of success? Easily brushed off as anti US propaganda (regardless of the news agency reporting it) or occasionally "irresponsible reporting" and the like?

After all, when it comes to the word of an unknown hysterical grieving civillian versus some top general bloke talking about "successes" on enemy "targets", who are the masses at home going to believe?

It would be laughably easy for the military to simply claim they killed a few insurgents *every single time* they make a c0ckup like this and kill a few ordinary people. It's only when they hit themselves or their own allies do you see them struggling to hide it.

Three years of obstruction in an inquiry that has only been revealed in the light of the leaking of the footage.

"There is no video"
"There is a video but it's classified"
"The video is the property of the US government and we can't get it"
"Whoever leaked it was acting illegally"

:roll:

[Karlos]

@CannonFodder

You might have to explain that particular in-joke for the benefit of our erstwhile n00bi(l)e ;-)