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Re: PiStorm Full and Lite Discussion
« on: January 13, 2023, 09:53:10 AM »
looks crazy good but just wondering why is it a "Lite" model ???

Because of the PI shortage. This version allows normal PI's to be used.
Full version, only allows PI4 Compute module. If I read it correctly.
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Re: PiStorm Full and Lite Discussion
« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2023, 05:51:32 PM »
Not just the Pi shortage, they can't source the original FPGA used in the design! The CM4 will still work with the 'lite' model but will require an adapter board that is being custom made! In the meantime the other RPis are compatible though air flow will be better with the CM4.

Huh?

You replying to me or just ignored what I said?
Not sure why you mention FPGA, when there are no PI's available unless you want to pay over £100. So what I said is correct.
Full version uses CM4 as you put it. Why on earth would you want an adapter for the lite to add a CM4 compute module, when you can buy a PI4 which will not need adapter.
Makes no sense and confuses things completely.

Full is for CM4 only, Lite reworked to allow PI's with 40pin GPIO headers to be used.
Besides CM4 version isnt even up and running properly yet.
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Re: PiStorm Full and Lite Discussion
« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2023, 10:56:56 AM »
@FOLLETT

Both “full” and “lite” have FPGAs, the “full” uses Lattice LFE5U-12F-6BG256C and the “lite” uses Efinix Trion T8Q144C4…

Which one is available for cheap in large quantities, and which is not, do you think?

Not what we were talking about at all. What you said is pointless, if there are no Pi's to use with them.
As there are no CM4's, it doesnt matter, its just a way to let people use Pi's they may already have. Do you think?

Because they're making more CM4s but not necessarily full PiStorm32s due to continuing issues with the supply chain! If the lite is all they can make then that with an adapter board makes sense!

Show me one place, I can buy a CM4. No Pi's are available unless you pay rip off merchants who are charging over £100+ for Pi3 A and B.
So, your going to pay for PiStorm32 lite then another adapter, just to connect a CM4. Sorry doesnt sound logical at all. More pointless connections means more problems.

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Also, it is stupid having your HDMI, ethernet and USB ports stuck inside the A1200 trap door! The CM4 will allow better air flow as the board will be almost flush and a mounting kit will be provided to take the ports to the expansion slot at the back of the case! The CM4 is still the best option even for the 'lite' Pistorm32 IMHO!

Have you actually looked at the Lite????? it fits in a certain way to allow Heatsink to be attached. Plus they dont get that hot. My ACA1221 overclocked to 50MHz runs at 60 degs every day, 8 hours a day for last 5 or 6 years without one issue in a fully enclosed case. Seriously doubt a Pi will get any were near that hot.
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Re: PiStorm Full and Lite Discussion
« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2023, 11:16:23 AM »
@F0LLET

Not everyone has a RPi in their sock drawer! Given the choice between a full RPi4 and CM4 for PiStorm32 duties, the CM4 makes the most sense. Yes, there's a kludge adapter due to the full PiStorm32 FPGA being impossible to source ATM. It still is a more elegant cable management/port solution compared to the full size RPi boards! If you want a CM4 for a reasonable price by July, buy one on back order from CPC Farnell like me. Sorry this is not up to your standards but kudos for them amending the design in the face of the ongoing parts shortage!

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You really, love to argue.

You would be suprised how many Pi's some people actually have in "their sock drawer" as you put it.

Funny how you quote the only company that quotes a date. Yet, if you checked further, you will have seen that they will have ONLY 2 on that date. Wow, we are all saved, every one order quick.

Please dont try and twist what I have said to try and make it look like I don't like what they have done.

With the adapter board, it may even be possible to install CM4 on “old” Pistorm and Pistorm600.

Now something interesting. That would be cool.

Besides, I think the the Lite is a great idea for using any Pi people may already have. Which was my whole point in the first place.
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Re: PiStorm Full and Lite Discussion
« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2023, 05:09:22 PM »
There are 2No. of the 1GB lite CM4 as of last night left to allocate for July but that doesn't include those already ordered including mine. Initially my 1GB model was going to be shipping in October so they've able to secure more for July since I ordered just over a week ago! There are more of the 2GB models available for July including over 20No. of the lite model with WiFi if you think that will be utilised for Amiga use (it is planned). If people don't have a RPi in their sock drawer and don't want to mutilate their A1200 case then I would recommend backordering a CM4 now! I trust the Claude and the PiStorm team to finalise their boards and software.

What am I missing, Claude did the Lite board???
So you trust in him on the Full one, but not the Lite???

WHO CARES. Its been designed to fit in pretty well. Please show me where it says you have to mutilate your case. If putting a bit of tape on a header to stop it shorting (JUST IN CASE) is mutilating your case, then I'm sorry I do not know what else to say.
Or if your talking about the USB and other sockest on the board, PLEASE stop. Its easy to extend them and have them going to exactly the same place as the FULL one.

 
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Re: PiStorm Full and Lite Discussion
« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2023, 09:51:39 AM »
Yes, but looking at the prototype board. Its going to run into same issues as normal Pi. It will have an even bigger footprint than a normal Pi.
Not intersted in this cables to back trapdoor and closing case nonsense. You can get wired to back trapdoor using extension cables etc etc.
I also damn sure, they wouldn't be selling it, if you could not close your wedge case.



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Re: PiStorm Full and Lite Discussion
« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2023, 09:31:04 AM »
Well Amigakit will have these soon. Shouldnt have solder blob issues as they will be mostly assembled in house.
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Re: PiStorm Full and Lite Discussion
« Reply #7 on: January 26, 2023, 01:37:56 PM »
When it gets released, cant see why not.
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Re: PiStorm Full and Lite Discussion
« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2023, 12:48:06 PM »
Got an extra 50 mips out of mine, by adding 040 FPU libraries to rom. Now getting 900 Mips, :).
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Re: PiStorm Full and Lite Discussion
« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2023, 05:02:32 PM »
???

MIPS? MFLOPS? ROM vs disk? What?!

900 Mips, 851 Mflops. Vs what it was before. 855 Mips, 823 Mflops.
Doubt it will be 100% accurate as speed changes slightly on ever boot.

AIBB is consistant though. 2 mins  25 secs, every time.
With FPU libraries. 1 min 30 secs every time.
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Re: PiStorm Full and Lite Discussion
« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2023, 09:08:25 PM »
What libraries did you add?
care to share?

Sorry, scratch that, got abit to excited. I forgot I changed my test enviroment slightly. So they made no difference.
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Re: PiStorm Full and Lite Discussion
« Reply #11 on: February 09, 2023, 11:04:39 AM »
So it's probably best to copy the IDE file over to the SD card anyway to make use of the speed increase under that environment! See this for more info:

Exactly what I did. After spending 6 hours, trying to work out why it wasnt working. Turned out actually reading the instrutions (in config.txt) was wrong.
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Re: PiStorm Full and Lite Discussion
« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2023, 09:26:56 AM »
The rule of thumb is: "If everything else has failed, RTFM". Maybe you had forgotten the first part of the rule? ;-)

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Think you misunderstood. Its the otherway around. RTFM was wrong. The information is incorrect.
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Re: PiStorm Full and Lite Discussion
« Reply #13 on: February 13, 2023, 10:11:12 AM »
Exactly. Thanks :-)

I could also have put it this way: Don't resort to RTFM unless you have tried everything else (since you risk being led astray).

(And just for the record: I was joking. I don't necessarily expect every FM out there to be misleading, and I do tend to read them myself.)

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Yes, got you were joking, :). Don't know why they just don't remove it from config file.
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