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Re: Ease off bashing AmigaONE X1000?
« Reply #224 from previous page: July 28, 2013, 03:04:32 PM »
@ LiveForIt

Programmable chips have been used as glue logic for some time.
One of Freescale's development boards (HPCN-MPC8641D) uses a Actel Pixis FPGA.

And with apologies to Sam, FPGAs to replace all CPUs?
That is a ridiculous proposition.
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Re: Ease off bashing AmigaONE X1000?
« Reply #225 on: July 28, 2013, 03:34:03 PM »
Quote from: LiveForIt;742765
Well all of FPGA projects up to now they have mostly been failures.

  BoXoR  project is dead.
 
Because it was over-ambitious, and a moving target, which became more and more unrealistic.

NatAMI Project is most likely dead.

Because it was over-ambitious, and a moving target, which became more and more unrealistic.

FPGAArchade is too slow, not expandable, there is CPU card coming but it's not going be faster than a Pentium II 100Mhz or something like that.
  It too slow for modern standards.

FPGA Arcade whole budget was about 10-20 000 $ and is being made by
a person as a hobby project ...

Try going to Varisys and pay them amount payed for AmigaOne x1000 and
they will build you FPGA Amiga in no time ;)
 

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Re: Ease off bashing AmigaONE X1000?
« Reply #226 on: July 28, 2013, 04:13:42 PM »
mikej does it as a hobby according to his statement, so he absorbs a lot of development expenses. varisys wants to get paid for every single thing they do, and likely not cheap.
 

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Re: Ease off bashing AmigaONE X1000?
« Reply #227 on: July 28, 2013, 04:30:25 PM »
"we need computer for the masses not the classes" :-)

we need cheap solutions that attract people again. A-eon is up to now concentrating on high-price AmigaOS PPC solutions. That is Trevors decision for what he spends his money but it is certainly not the right strategy to win back users and expecially developers.
 

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Re: Ease off bashing AmigaONE X1000?
« Reply #228 on: July 28, 2013, 04:35:13 PM »
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I take your point. A-EON's emphasis has changed towards some areas and now is starting to bridge the gap between 68k Classic and next generation AmigaOS systems.  You will see this is forthcoming software and hardware (watch this space).  We have already started with sponsoring Catweasel drivers for the X1000.


good to hear. im curious. i propose to evaluate possibly most general interest/tendencies in the community. cooperation with individual computers and co might be beneficial, jens ideas seem usually most sensible from my pov (no wonder).
 

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Re: Ease off bashing AmigaONE X1000?
« Reply #229 on: July 31, 2013, 09:47:32 AM »
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"we need computer for the masses not the classes" :-)

we need cheap solutions that attract people again. A-eon is up to now concentrating on high-price AmigaOS PPC solutions. That is Trevors decision for what he spends his money but it is certainly not the right strategy to win back users and expecially developers.

I agree. I believe that  pricing is everything.  If they made a keyboard all in one  case little bit bigger than the a500, used arm technology, mouse  and it was somewhat upgradeable. The price was 500.00.  Amiga Os worked perfect with it. A lot of people would jump on the wagon.
 

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Re: Ease off bashing AmigaONE X1000?
« Reply #230 on: July 31, 2013, 10:19:23 AM »
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I agree. I believe that  pricing is everything.  If they made a keyboard all in one  case little bit bigger than the a500, used arm technology, mouse  and it was somewhat upgradeable. The price was 500.00.  Amiga Os worked perfect with it. A lot of people would jump on the wagon.


So pricing isn't everything then? As you've just qualified Amiga OS has to work perfectly as well.  Drivers, hardware and performance are all covered by that.
Low price and perfection.
 

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Re: Ease off bashing AmigaONE X1000?
« Reply #231 on: July 31, 2013, 10:41:48 AM »
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I agree. I believe that  pricing is everything.  If they made a keyboard all in one  case little bit bigger than the a500, used arm technology, mouse  and it was somewhat upgradeable. The price was 500.00.  Amiga Os worked perfect with it. A lot of people would jump on the wagon.


Yeah a mouse is essential:rofl:
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Re: Ease off bashing AmigaONE X1000?
« Reply #232 on: July 31, 2013, 10:44:34 AM »
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So pricing isn't everything then? As you've just qualified Amiga OS has to work perfectly as well.  Drivers, hardware and performance are all covered by that.
Low price and perfection.

If I had a computer that I could learn programming I would. The windows xp computer died.
 

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« Reply #233 on: July 31, 2013, 02:13:30 PM »
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If I had a computer that I could learn programming I would. The windows xp computer died.


You learn to code on any computer.
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Re: Ease off bashing AmigaONE X1000?
« Reply #234 on: July 31, 2013, 02:37:42 PM »
I learned to code on a ZX81.

Didn't do me any harm.

Nicholas is right, though - you can learn to code on any computer you feel like, though I'd recommend just something like Blitz BASIC on an A1200 if you want something fun and relatively easy to get into, while still being potent enough to do some cool stuff.
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Re: Ease off bashing AmigaONE X1000?
« Reply #235 on: July 31, 2013, 02:45:07 PM »
While I have no intention to bash the x1000, any complete system costing more than 500 euro is unrealistic. This is a hobbyist machine, and most people have limited amount of money when it comes to hobbies.
 

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Re: Ease off bashing AmigaONE X1000?
« Reply #236 on: July 31, 2013, 03:00:23 PM »
My personal Amiga 1200T is worth way more than 500 EUR and a lot slower than an X1000, but it is my hobby machine.
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Re: Ease off bashing AmigaONE X1000?
« Reply #237 on: July 31, 2013, 03:04:32 PM »
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While I have no intention to bash the x1000, any complete system costing more than 500 euro is unrealistic. This is a hobbyist machine, and most people have limited amount of money when it comes to hobbies.


This is the problem with wanting to use AOS4.x series, you are going to have to pay serious amount of money for a system.  If you have to have AOS4.x, pay the money and be happy but please stop complaining.  There are very cheap (to free) alternatives that are readily available that are at a minimum, equal to AOS4.x experience.
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Re: Ease off bashing AmigaONE X1000?
« Reply #238 on: July 31, 2013, 03:06:10 PM »
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My personal Amiga 1200T is worth way more than 500 EUR and a lot slower than an X1000, but it is my hobby machine.


Well at least you can play all the classic amiga games on that.
 

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Re: Ease off bashing AmigaONE X1000?
« Reply #239 on: July 31, 2013, 03:09:28 PM »
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This is the problem with wanting to use AOS4.x series, you are going to have to pay serious amount of money for a system.  If you have to have AOS4.x, pay the money and be happy but please stop complaining.  There are very cheap (to free) alternatives that are readily available that are at a minimum, equal to AOS4.x experience.


Yeah I don't think complaining will make any amiga 4.x capable machines any cheaper. The only affordable future is porting the OS to arm or x86, which I think will be pretty dead before that happens.