Amiga.org
Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: on April 20, 2005, 01:16:29 PM
-
I don't understand something, and I'm hoping you guys can help me out. I really begin to feel like most Amiga sites are missing out on a lot of opportunities here to promote the platform (and their site) by not using readily available resources like the google adwords program.
There are two different programs by Google.
Adwords (http://www.google.com/adwords) - the program used by advertisers to place their ads on the various sites.
AdSense (http://www.google.com/adsense) - the program to display the adverts on each individual site.
Since putting up the google ads on the site, there are essentially only 7 total Amiga advertisements I've seen, though there are many, many Amiga sites out there. I enrolled Amiga.org into the Google Adwords program and our advertisement's getting displayed thousands of times.
At the same time, we're only being charged (about 5 cents) each time someone clicks on the advertisement via a number of keywords. Our advertisements with the google adwords program have ranged between 50 cents and 1 dollar per day. Meanwhile, our Google Adsense ads (the ads you see) have brought in on average, about 60 to 75 cents per day.
In essence, we're getting a buttload of free advertising for the site while the number of new AO members has gone through the roof and is currently hitting about 7 new members per day. So, given that, why don't more Amiga sites bother to use the gifts that are handed to them?
Wayne
-
I think the Amiga busineses just haven't figured out that it won't cost them a fortune to use it.
It works with even the tiniest of advertising budgets (like mine). :-)
-
I guess that not many people are aware of the benefits .
-
Because I dont like ads on webpages thats why I dont use it. Its like spam.
-
DJBase wrote:
Because I dont like ads on webpages thats why I dont use it. Its like spam.
I'm not sure how to take your reply, but you're saying you don't advertise because you don't like advertisements? You're spamming Amiga.org right now advertising for #amigazeux so I don't quite get it. What you're getting is -- in fact -- free advertising for your Pegasos/MorphOS support channel (which mysteriously has "Amiga" in the title for some illogical reason since you guys are so vehemently "anti Amiga").
The conversation however is about Google ads, so I digress. No slight is intended to #Amigazeux members, I'm just reinforcing my point using the most obvious example.
Wayne
-
@Wayne
Hum,
i think it’s a good deal and resource for a portal such as A.org, and its users.
But having said that, i don’t think i would have it on my site as i have no control over the links that appear, nor feel the need to have more than just a link to this site or a webring...
You mustn’t forget that all sites aren’t as central to the community as this place….
-
Let me try to explane. I have nothing about Avatars who can be like an advert or 1-2 advert banners that are related to the theme of the webpage. But if you have a page which has hundreds of banners or advert links it makes me sick to visit this site often. You find such pages a lot in the internet. Its to agressiv in my point of view. I dont like that.
And about my avatar: I am one member of this group. We are not a commercial group who could make benefit of this kind of advert. And we are not a Pegasos/MorphOS support channel. We are a coding group for Amiga (and Amiga means both AmigaOS and MorphOS).
PLEASE, WE ARE NOT AGAINST AMIGA! Why do you say that?
-
PLEASE, WE ARE NOT AGAINST AMIGA! Why do you say that?
Because the actions of that group (like my actions) often speak louder than words.
Wayne
-
For a big site it might run even but for smaller sites there's no way. I'm thinking running costs are pritty high and I don't think 60-75c/day make much of a dent in that bill, sure you get more publicity with having your own ads out there but at what cost? I rather keep the site clean then or offer free advertisement to other Amiga sites in return for the same favour... that way one can also design the adds to fit in with the design much better and avoid aysoering misscolored adds.
-
Brian,
I suggest you look at the google adwords site. You can control the colors, which ads do not appear on your site and everything else. The only reason we're doing it for Amiga.org is
1) lots of ad banners on thousands of Amiga sites
2) displaying the Google Adsense ads (which is different than Adwords) pays for it, coming out even.
You do NOT have to display ads on your site in order to have your adverts appear on other sites.
If ANY Amiga related site doesn't fit the bill of "small", I don't know what would. I'm just surprised a site as progressive as Amigaworld.net hasn't taken advantage of Google's AdWords program to advertise their own site.
Just checked, and between Google's Adwords and Adsense, Amiga.org has cleared all of $3.00 in the first 20 days, so it's not about money. It's about advertising. So far it's working very well for Amiga.org, getting new users to notice us.
I just think it's in EVERY Amiga site's best interest to advertise so I thought I'd share what I've learned. It's cheap to do, it helps the site, it helps the platform, and it's not about competing between Amiga sites.
If one succeeds, we all do. That's the way it should be.
Wayne
-
> Amiga.org has cleared all of $3.00 in the first 20 days,
> so it's not about money
I should clarify here, and I find it quite funny. Since Google doesn't send you a check until you've reached $100 in funds with them, I haven't cleared anything and won't (at this rate) for about 33.3 months. Until then, we're paying for the Google ads that we PLACE on other sites out of contributions.
It's a real circus balancing act... :P
Wayne
-
Because the actions of that group (like my actions) often speak louder than words.
Well said. But doesn't fit with the conclusion you make.
Back to the topic:
I dislike every form of commercial advertisement (now). I very much liked the creative ads I saw when the internet emerged or better when I went online somewhen in the early nineties. But now it's just annoying. Googleads are the least annoying of them all but still as they pop up everywhere recently.
I fully support free for free advertising though as can be seen on our website. It's more a support kind of thing for me. But that's probably just me looking at the other comments in this thread so far.
-
Seven new users a day? That's remarkable - if it's attributable to the advertising; especially given small target audience. It sounds like a great idea for A.org despite the long wait for any financial payback:-) I certainly must say that, personally, I haven't founds the ads in the least obtrusive.
Was there any payment upfront or is it all down to the ads being clicked at either end?
-
I don't find googles text based adds annoying at all. What I do find annoying are stupid flash based ads or other image / bandwidth heavy adds that totally cram a page.
Luckily the adblock plugin for firefox is very nice. A few, well chosen wildcard filters blocks a shedload of them ;-)
-
From the replies given here I think people need to separate the two programs Google offer.
Advertising on other sites has nothing to do with showing Google ads on your own page. If you don't want to clutter your webpage with ads, then don't. That decision doesn't mean you can't display your ads on other sites though. It's not like a banner swap, you know. :-)
-
Hum,
I’ve heard about those `banner swap` parties before...
-
I use google ads on www.iksnet.it
-
How's that working out for you?
You might notice that we're no longer running google ads on Amiga.org. The reason for this is that someone apparently thought it would be funny to set up a bot spoofing my IP address and click on the ads hundreds of times.
As a result of Google's new policies, this lead to me personally being ejected from their program without any chance of recourse. This forbids me from running any google ads on ANY of the 15 sites that I currently own and operate.
I know the trolls will now be giddy with glee, but it's a real point as to how pathetic a certain small group of this community has become, to attack me on a personal level.
Running Google ads on Amiga.org wasn't about money folks. I was paying more to actually PLACE Amiga.org Google ads than it was making. I did this specifically to promote both the platform and the site, as most of our new members generated by the advertisements were coming from Mac, C64, and other sites that didn't even remember the Amiga existed. Those people either remembered the Amiga and had a newfound interest in it (note the number of new member posts asking Amiga questions as of late) or were interested in buying new or used hardware to play older games.
So, in the end whomever is responsible for getting Amiga.org (and me personally) removed from Google's adsense program only served to harm the Amiga platform as a whole.
Sad really, but expectable from the small group of people responsible.
-
So, in the end whomever is responsible for getting Amiga.org (and me personally) removed from Google's adsense program only served to harm the Amiga platform as a whole.
You'd think that people don't want to have support for a dying PC....
-
Wayne wrote:
I know the trolls will now be giddy with glee, but it's a real point as to how pathetic a certain small group of this community has become, to attack me on a personal level.
That sucks. Why can't people just ignore/leave things they don't like instead of attacking them all the time.
You can guarantee that when (not if) they've driven everyone out of the Amiga scene, they'll be the first ones complaining about it being dead, no new software/hardware etc.
-
my compliments to the usual cowards :-(
-
@wayne
Sad.
But one thing:
Sad really, but expectable from the small group of people responsible.
You are wrong. It is expectable from the large majority.
-
FFS. There truly are some sad, lonely people out there that can get a kick out of such things.
-
itix wrote:
You are wrong. It is expectable from the large majority.
That makes absolutely no sense.
-
@Itix
Are you implying that most of the members here would gladly do such things? :-?
-
Are you implying that most of the members here would gladly do such things?
Not Amiga.org members. But PPC fanatics, maybe. And I dont mean those who are online regularly but those who never write to forums.
-
Wow. That sucks.
-
Not Amiga.org members. But PPC fanatics, maybe. And I dont mean those who are online regularly but those who never write to forums.
I don't think anyone here is as stupid as this seems to suggest. There are no "PPC fanatics" that would have a reason to attack me personally by getting Amiga.org disbarred from the Google Adsense program. There are only a few delusional members of a small clique bound and determined to destroy anything related to the Amiga, this site, and me in particular.
-
> You're spamming Amiga.org right now advertising for
> #amigazeux
Hello Wayne,
this is a funny comment made by you. Congrats, although I somehow doubt you get the funny bit in it.
Small advice for the holy webmaster (your avatar implies it, sorry): Before you post such things, make sure you know about what you are posting.
What is #amigazeux? We are a loose group of friends who meet every now and then in an IRC channel. Some of us create software for AmigaOS and MorphOS (which might be part of your less-than healthy paranoia). We are not creating software for a profit. We have done this for years and we are planning to continue with it for the next couple of years (BTW, the amiga part in our name originates from a time where there was no MorphOS available and then, we consider MorphOS to be as much AmigaOS as AmigaOS itself). We never needed many advertising because we really don't want every person to join our channel and destroy the cozy atmosphere there :-). Yes, you were there too and got quite some fire IIRC. Was it deserved? Of course! Please continue reading.
Now: Avatar-advertising. Could you imagine that using a common logo in an avatar could be meant to show an affilation to a group of people described above? Could you imagine that some people are proud of having the #amigazeux logo in their avatar because they know what it stands for and because they show where they think they belong to?
The advertising bit: To make the advertising even more efficient, we would be very happy if we could link to our site using the avatar. Heh, yes, very funny. We want to shamelessly abuse your site for our immoral cause. Yes, I'm being sarcastic.
TBH Wayne, I think you are a bit off of this world now. Maybe taking a few days off or some sort of vacation could do you and especially us a great favour.
Have a nice one!
-
:-?
-edit-
What, are you claiming responsibility or something?
-
You are clearly the delusional one. Not only do I know none of us did this, I doubt anyone of us would have enough knowledge on how to spoof IP's (if that's possible after all) and then even put up enough energy to make you lose your google ads for your side.
Please reactivate your radar and look out for another person or group you can blame for this. Maybe it was you at all and can't admit it?
-
Hi Gelb,
Actually Wayne's avatar is "Buddy Jesus" from the movie Dogma, and is more of a strike against the status quo.
I think Itix is probably more correct than most of us think about the "majority." There are a lot of spiteful people out there who will use every opportunity given to cause havoc. Those people are likely not your average Amiga.org user, but quite possibly "amiga / morphos haters".
-
Hi Dave,
Actually it's "Buddy Christ" from the great movie Karma, and my use of it is simply a statement of support for that particular movie. It's very straight forward in it's laughing at Californian political correctness and in particular, the more silly aspects of the Catholic church.
I went to a Halloween party in a home-made Buddy Christ costume once and only about 50% of the people got it.
Wayne
-
I could have sworn I saw that Buddy Christ (jesus?) statue in Dogma as well ;-) Then again, they play that movie on TV here so much that I hardly pay attention to it when it's on anymore :lol:
-
Targhan wrote:
I could have sworn I saw that Buddy Christ (jesus?) statue in Dogma as well ;-) Then again, they play that movie on TV here so much that I hardly pay attention to it when it's on anymore :lol:
Yep, Buddy Christ is in Dogma, I have seen him there too. Perhaps it's a cameo role :-D
-
Ok, to clarify this matter, some facts. I'm aware Wayne will simply try to twist it against us, but apparently these clarifications are needed.
Fact 1) No member of #amigazeux has attacked, abused, or otherwise misused this site or any other (avatar advertising not included. Yes, that was sarcasm again).
Fact 2) IP spoofing is nigh on impossible. Even simple TCP/IP transactions are two-way, making this kind of attack theoretically impossible.
Fact 3) Recently to one of our members Wayne has slandered, accused of bribery, persecuted, blamed for hacking this site, banned, and personally insulted in public forums. Wayne has never produced evidence for any of these claims or proper justification for these actions.
Fact 4) Despite not posting ANY evidence, Wayne has overtly accused #amigazeux (or at least one of its members) of attacking his site.
Read these facts, and decide for yourself who's delusional.
-
Karlos wrote:
Targhan wrote:
I could have sworn I saw that Buddy Christ (jesus?) statue in Dogma as well ;-) Then again, they play that movie on TV here so much that I hardly pay attention to it when it's on anymore :lol:
Yep, Buddy Christ is in Dogma, I have seen him there too. Perhaps it's a cameo role :-D
I didn't see Karma, and never noticed him in Dogma, I thought it was a Conan O'Brian thing.
-
One could wonder what the message behind your avatar is?
-
-
You really need a life. This thread is about google ads, not your little badly-named MorphOS clique.
-
Targhan wrote:
I could have sworn I saw that Buddy Christ (jesus?) statue in Dogma as well ;-) Then again, they play that movie on TV here so much that I hardly pay attention to it when it's on anymore :lol:
(http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000053VAF.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg)
Also, Cardinal Glick's "Catholicism WOW!" poster (background of Wayne's Avatar) is in there too: here (http://www.dogma-movie.com/artwork/images/cathwow.gif)
-edit-
Damn, off topic again :lol:
-
Wayne wrote:
You are so correct. Dogma. Dunno where Karma came from. Just multitasking I suppose.
Wayne
Well, it could have something to do with Jay and Silent Bob, as they appear as themselves in several movies, and this could be applied to BuddyChrist as well.
okay, onto the topic... I know and am friendly with both sides of the #AZ and A.org thing. The whole shabang doesn't 'seem' right to me. Something, somewhere, is missing. A piece of the puzzle, if you will. I know the member of AZ who would likely be accused of such, and he couldn't hack his way into a can of tuna, let alone a server. I have some ideas, but I think it would be best if I contacted Wayne privately--since I consider this to be sensative.
In the end, I suspect a big mis-understanding that blew up a halfway decent association, if not a friendship, between a couple of parties. I don't think anyone in AZ would do something to AO (other than just not show up anymore if they were really angry), just like I don't think Wayne would purposely do something to them.
-
...*sigh*...
Yet another pathetic chapter in a long history of pubescent behaviour in Amigaland :-\.
-
Phew, finally. Signing up for this site seemed to take a lot of trouble. :-)
Hi Wayne, what's your problem here?
> You really need a life. This thread is about google ads...[snip]
Yes, it is. So why do you need to troll? Being a webmaster doesn't make you above a common or garden troll. I'm referring to:
> You're spamming Amiga.org right now advertising for #amigazeux so I don't quite get it. What you're getting is -- in fact -- free advertising for your Pegasos/MorphOS support channel (which mysteriously has "Amiga" in the title for some illogical reason since you guys are so vehemently "anti Amiga").
And:
> There are only a few delusional members of a small clique bound and determined to destroy anything related to the Amiga, this site, and me in particular.
Which I assume you mean:
> You really need a life. This thread is about google ads, not your little badly-named MorphOS clique.
Being insulting to a group who have never done you any harm isn't helping you. It's just purile trolling. Try to be a bit more mature, please.
And by the way - AmigaZeux existed long before Amiga Inc. took the name, so they're not so badly named after all. Some things you've just got to live with. You didn't rename this site when they did either, did you?
Edit: they're actually called AmigaZeux because they make games and stuff for the Amiga. MorphOS too, but also Amiga.
-
(Before I get accused of being a one hit troll, I had a login here years ago and I've been trying to get in all night to give Wayne a suggestion, but for whatever reason I couldnt log on and kept getting blank screens.)
Hi Wayne, google arent monsters. Mail them, tell them what happened, give them whatever evidence you can. Theyll restore that google advert thing in no time. If they dont then there not worth doing business with.
Its sad that theres idiots around that do this kind of stuff, but playing the blame game only makes things worse. I can see your angry, but attacking ppl like that and then dismissing them as off topic when they answer you is really poor. Its just not nice.
-
Being insulting to a group who have never done you any harm isn't helping you.
I don't know how this got started again, nor why -- all the sudden -- it's about a group of people that I neither care for, or about. This morning, after a month of inactivity, this thread was resurrected by someone (I forget whether ikir or itix) just wanting to bump it to invite trolling based on the Moobunny trolling going on at the moment. That post was removed.
I then thought to tell everyone about the google adsense problem which was created by at least one member of this site intentionally trying to attack me on a personal level. Here's the thing... *I* never mentioned AmigaZeux (this morning). It's "Itix" and "Gelb" that took this conversation (which is, and should be about Google ads) completely out of context and warped it to be about them (based on month old comments) to --apparently-- irritate the hell out of me about old crap that doesn't matter.
I wasn't even slamming them a month ago if you'll bother (which most people don't) to read things in context. "DJBase" said "I don't like ads", to which I simply pointed out that -- in fact -- his avatar is an advertisement.
(God forbid Wayne mention AmigaZeux in a sentence -- regardless of context -- without that whole little gang showing up like the marketing guerillas they are and slamming him for it...)
I guess the it was just my turn to be attacked by the trolls, since Christian Kemp isn't around at the moment. In essence, I don't care about this conversation at all, but if one of them wants to admit to having Amiga.org (and more specifically me) blacklisted at google -- which is what their intent seems to be -- then I'm all ears.
Wayne
-
Hi Wayne,
I think its just the fact that you cant ever mention amigazeux without getting that little sly insult in. Whatever the history of you and morphos, theyre not the scapegoats you make them out to be.
cheers
-
This morning, after a month of inactivity, this thread was resurrected by someone (I forget whether ikir or itix) just wanting to bump it to invite trolling based on the Moobunny trolling going on at the moment. That post was removed.
It was me. I jumped into thread and after hitting the submit I found out it was old thread actually. I removed my rambling but it was too late already.
"DJBase" said "I don't like ads", to which I simply pointed out that -- in fact -- his avatar is an advertisement.
I see. One moment, I'm gonna change my sig again.
-
This morning, after a month of inactivity, this thread was resurrected by someone (I forget whether ikir or itix) just wanting to bump it to invite trolling based on the Moobunny trolling going on at the moment. That post was removed.
[...Stupid question edited out...]
[Ok, itix explained it. I only saw '. . .' myself]
I then thought to tell everyone about the google adsense problem which was created by at least one member of this site intentionally trying to attack me on a personal level.
I don't claim to understand what the adsense problem really was, but IP spoofing (http://bau2.uibk.ac.at/matic/ipspoof.htm) sure doesn't sound very credible to me.
"Bots" just don't go about spoofing IP addresses, even if they did, it's very very hard to spoof the connection these days, mainly because ISN no longer are simple 64k rulers and because of the proper ingres/egres filtering. Certainly it's pretty much impossible to maintain full blown TCP/IP http traffic with blind ip spoofing.
-
Wayne wrote:
You might notice that we're no longer running google ads on Amiga.org. The reason for this is that someone apparently thought it would be funny to set up a bot spoofing my IP address and click on the ads hundreds of times.
Now thats just f***ing pathetic, not to mention cowardly, if I knew who did that I would literally beat him/her (I don't discriminate) into a bloody pulp. Its no wonder the Amiga community is in shambles, this is the kind of thing that makes me want to pack my bags and leave the Amiga community altogether.
-
Losing advertising, both the dollars and the recursive advertising for our little community have both been lost.
On the other hand, I did learn something today. There are things that I cannot fix, bridges I cannot mend, and people whom I cannot help to reach a peaceful agreement. And, that is that.
-
Just to be very clear here (God how I've tried to be clear throughout this ordeal)...
I got a note saying that "your account has been terminated for violating our terms of service". It went on to say something about the section for "creating invalid clicks by deceptive means" (which I did not do). The thing is, when Google claims this was occurring, I was literally 600 miles away in New Orleans on business travel and not at my machine (which was on).
I have written them roughly a dozen times and get three rotating stock answers, including one which says that "explaining to you why you were terminated would disclose proprietary information" (gee, an IP address..)... There is no contact number (that they will answer), there is no one listening, and I'm fairly certain that the big bad Google couldn't care less.
I'm just putting two and two together here, and may be coming out with the wrong answer, but I can only assemble the puzzle with the few parts I've got.
Several friends have suggested possibilities including IP Spoofing and my machine being hacked into, but neither really makes sense. If it were IP spoofing, it would have conflicted with my connection to the Web. (I *have* had continual -- verifiable -- problems with my connection for about two weeks where it simply drops the connection at random requiring a modem hardboot to fix). I can't believe however that someone in the Amiga community would hate me enough to literally break into my machine (which would be difficult) then use it to continually click on my banner advertisements.
So... That leaves two real possibilities that I know of;
1) Someone (one person) here was "trying to help" and clicked on the banners several hundred times per day. (768 or so per day according to the click counter)
2) Someone (one person) hates me, the advertisements, and/or this site enough to literally work at getting me banned from Google (remember, this affects me far beyond Amiga.org).
I don't know what's going on, but when the thread on Moobunny started, then the thread got bumped here, then things got crazy, it seemed very much as though certain people were stepping up to claim responsibility.
I am still appealing to Google for a second chance, but whomever did this went too far. Not only did they hurt Amiga.org, but it hurt the Amiga platform as a whole. We were making GOOD progress attracting new members by placing ads (which were SUPPOSED to be paid for by displaying the ads but now have to come out of the donation money -- sincere thanks to those of you who've helped out).
Far worse, if I believe that this was intentional sabotage, someone made this personal and screwed me out of the ability to generate a dime off of the 15 other sites I had either in planning or operation. Let me state again, Amiga.org (and I) wasn't making a dime off of Google Advertisements for Amiga.org itself, but the ads I placed were getting people onto our site and from here, it was to be a gateway to other sites (such as whyzzat.com, amigaos.info, spyzero.com, etcetera).
Given that this smeghead has disrupted the very core of my plans, I take that action quite personally so forgive me if I seem a "little upset" over it all. It would be very much like if you bought a car so that you could drive to work and I snuck over in the middle of the night and ripped out the distributor. Bad form..
Wayne
-
@Targhan,
At least you did try. If nothing else, it was a lesson in objectivity. Specifically that there are three sides to every story. Yours, theirs, and the truth.
:-)
-
Hi again Wayne,
Glad things seem to be calming down. I think there is just a lot of crossed wires here. Maybe you believed amigazeux were to blame because they appeared in this thread. Or amigazeux thinks you were blaming them because you cant mention their group without trolling and insulting them. If you troll less and be more sure of your facts in future before you say anything things like this can be avoided and it will be better for everyone.
The idea of someone clicking lots of times on the banners to try to help you and the site sounds a lot more reasonable than an attack by somebody out to get you, doesnt it?
cheers
-
I got a note saying that "your account has been terminated for violating our terms of service". It went on to say something about the section for "creating invalid clicks by deceptive means" (which I did not do). The thing is, when Google claims this was occurring, I was literally 600 miles away in New Orleans on business travel and not at my machine (which was on).
This is the thing. I believe they don't blame you personally for this action, but since they have no way of determining who it really is and for what possible purpose, they assume it's you trying to generate income. I believe they did not get the "clicks" from your IP address.
I have written them roughly a dozen times and get three rotating stock answers, including one which says that "explaining to you why you were terminated would disclose proprietary information" (gee, an IP address..)... There is no contact number (that they will answer), there is no one listening, and I'm fairly certain that the big bad Google couldn't care less.
Whatever the reason (someone "helping" or someone maliciously trying to screw you over), google really sucks here for not having proper way of sorting things out.
Whatever it is, it sure sucks. While it could be that someone delibirately did this to hurt your business, it's still just one possibility. Considering the willingness of Amiga users to "vote" in random polls with Amiga selection in them, I wouldn't be surprised to learn someone just tried to "help", without malicious intent.
-
FWIW, something similar happened to the website of my study's student association. That site also had google ads on it and suddenly google terminated the whole ad thing because there were too many clicks. I think the problem was that it all originated from the uni's IP range (and to put into perspective, this association has about 40 members...).
So it seems google is *very* sensitive to 'unfair' click-usage.
-
Maybe it's a stretch too far, but is it possible there has been no actual 'abuse' and just a bunch of overkeen site users following each link that comes up?
-
It's certainly possible that there were "simply too many clicks" but there's something about Google's response -- I will have to research what -- that specifically suggests that it all happened from one or perhaps two addresses.
The problem is, they've instituted a "zero tolerance" policy, so they must be blaming me for something. I need to be reinstated, even if I don't put Google ads back onto Amiga.org (which would be prudent). The reason I believe it was intentional was the trolling on Moobunny {bleep}ing about the advertisements.
Wayne
-
You are paranoid.
-
Sure. We are all a bit paranoid, or you wouldn't have both sides of this sillyness jumping to conclusions with the mere mention of a name. Neither of us is evil, but we're so sure that the other is out to get us that such assumptions are easy.
Wayne
-------------
Human beings have an innate goodness. (Especially when grilled over a low heat with a little lemon and butter sauce).
-
itix wrote:
You are paranoid.
Nice avatar! :-D
-
itix wrote:
You are paranoid.
Someone once remarked, "Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean they're not all out to get you."
-
When everyone's out to get you, pack extra ammo. (http://whyzzat.com/store/product_info.php?cPath=23&products_id=127)
-
Wayne wrote:
When everyone's out to get you, pack extra ammo. (http://whyzzat.com/store/product_info.php?cPath=23&products_id=127)
Will these do? (http://www.gunsamerica.com/guns/976282769.htm)
-
i think the best thing to do is never read moo bunny ever again. :flame: :kitty:
-
itix wrote:
You are paranoid.
You have to be, or else they catch you off guard!!!
-
cecilia wrote:
i think the best thing to do is never read moo bunny ever again. :flame: :kitty:
I believe that's the best course of action for everyone involved, but... Then the trolls wouldn't have anything to talk about.
:)
More than anything, I'm just amazed at how a conversation about Google adverts gets drug into a non-sensical defensive conversation about Amigazeux.
Well, at least they got their free advertising (joking for God's sake!).