Amiga.org censorship? Or just selling out?

This is yet another example where I have to -- yet again -- sit and explain how Xoops works because someone is either too new to the site, or naive enough to confuse the standard moderation of a Website with "censorship".

In the thread in question, user tjoaz made several statements which were not substantial by facts.  This left Amiga.org in the position of being legally accountable.  I received almost a dozen complaints by various site members over his statement.

The particular comment had been physically quoted about a dozen times in responses to it.  That leaves us with two options;

1) Manually moderate and edit about 13 posts or so, which is a pain in the ass as well as pissing everyone off.

2) Remove the original statement in question, which -- without giving us the option -- removes any replies along with the original post.

Normally we choose step 1.  In this case, I took step 2 because I didn't have the time it would take to take step #1.  In no way does this denote "censorship", and I take very great offense to the accusation of "selling out".

Like I said in the other thread, if you don't like Matay or their cards that's one thing but Amiga.org is not the place to come spreading libelous comments because of the fact that you work for the other company (or the guy is your friend, or whatever).

There is a thing called professional ethics.  This is why I stepped down and refrained from posting on the Amiga situation during the time period while I worked for Genesi.  

User tjaoz obviously has an agenda against Matay (the reason is actually irrelevant to us), but he cannot use Amiga.org as the means to launch personal attacks against people or even companies which are not based on fact.

There are few enough companies left in the Amiga community and there was no need for him to try and turn Anacronism's announcement into yet another bad thread which makes the company question why they bother.  I'm looking through all the Web archives right now at old news clips and newsgroup postings from 1997 on.  It's actually very sad to see that almost every week since 1997, some company has left the Amiga community behind or closed it's doors.  The fact that ANY company does ANYTHING in the Amiga community in 2004 is a GOOD thing (whether or not you believe there are negative connotations to their actions).

It's even more depressing to read the historically accurate thread and realize that Amiga Inc really imploded in mid 2001 (14 months into existence) and absolutely zero progress -- with the exception of the release of the Eyetech/MAI board -- has been made in the official "Amiga" arena since about 1997/98.  

I am of course leaving the Pegasos and MorphOS out of this statement because it's not "official" (at least yet -- though it may become so if Bill Buck gets his way).  I'm going to shut up now, because I really feel a Soapbox article coming on.

[bbrv]

Hi Wayne, it is "official" now.  The question remains how far the application of the ruling will extend.  In any case, Genesi will NOT do it themselves and it will have nothing to do with MorphOS.  We would like to sub-license AROS in a scheme that would provide a portion of the royalties to them (majority) and to this site (and perhaps Amiga-News too and others, etc.?) as we discussed what seems now to be years ago.  We would still like to do that.  If we did that this site would become a promotional/community arm of the effort and there would not be trademark challenge to this site ever again.  :-)  Plus, the AROS people would then undeniably have "official" recognition too.  $4.50/unit would still need to go to a escrow account for Amiga Inc. so that employees and creditors with legal judgments against Amiga Inc. could be paid.

It should be a Community project and the royalty benefit should go to the people that deserve it, while at the same time maintaining this site and others (if everything works).  We are not looking for anything for Genesi in this arrangement just the ability to empower the license agreement and gain the greatest benefit possible for what is truly "Amiga."  We can sub-license and will look forward to establishing such an arrangement with all interested parties that want to work collaboratively and constructively.

R&B

[NightShade737]

What happened to the whole general forum disclaimer of "These are the feelings and oppinions of our members, and do not represent our feelings or oppinions on the matters. i.e. Shout at them not us".

[falemagn]

> We would like to sub-license AROS [...]

Ehum, sorry? Did I miss anything?

[Argo]

If you wish to discuss BBRV reply to Wayne, please start another topic. Make sure to Quote of link for reference.

Bill,

Thank you for your input. I openly admit that I went off on a bit of a tangent with my last response, but I would like to kind of keep this thread on topic and out of the tiresome war zone that it will degenerate into if left unchecked.  

My only intent in my original reply -- and I would welcome discussion in any of the coffee house forums -- was to point out that from the "Amiga" side of the fence, there has been no "official" (as in generated by the company that owns, licenses, or otherwise holds the Amiga trademarks) progress in at least six years and only the appearance of progress before that.

Speaking personally, I think the Pegasos is a fine machine and I think you have the potential to reach all the markets that you're aiming for, but as of yet, the Pegasos and MorphOS has been on the periphery of what I would consider the official "Amiga" solution (legal procedures results notwithstanding).

Don't get me wrong.  While I don't personally feel that the Pegasos "needs" such petty things as a badge, if the Pegasos and/or MorphOS become (or already are) an official "Amiga" solution, then GREAT!  I've said all along the more the merrier.  

Remember Bill McEwen's speech in January 2000 folks, the original stated intent of Amiga Inc was to license many companies to make Amiga-branded items, and I've always thought that to be a good thing.

Speaking officially for Amiga.org, it is reassuring to know that -- in the event of the now obvious legal actions against Amiga Inc -- Amiga.org will be allowed to continue it's independence and not face the same threats that it always has from the various quarters.  For that reassurance, I thank you.

Back to reality and this thread now.  Let's please return to the topic at hand -- which was originally yet another scream of "censorship" -- and leave this conversation to the Coffee House.

Wayne

[TheMagicM]

What I'm wondering is what does a credit rating of Matay have to do with anything?   The boards are overpriced is what you're saying? What isnt in the Amiga world?  I think Wayne answered your reply... Read his reply above, and then re-read it.

This topic is locked because it's going hopelessly off topic.