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Re: The future of the Amiga? Is it a Lark or a Dodo
« Reply #14 on: May 26, 2005, 06:44:45 PM »
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Re: The future of the Amiga? Is it a Lark or a Dodo
« Reply #15 on: May 27, 2005, 01:24:35 AM »
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The costs are due to the small production run and target user base.


Which is why I wonder why in hell they even bothered with hardware at all. Stand on the shoulders of others and use their hardware, you'll reach higher.

They can spout all the reasons the have for their hardware decisions till the cows come home, but at the end of the day, if it's not in my best interests, who cares?

I just hope all the problems surrounding the current hardware don't kill the OS. That would be a crying shame.
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I think the future of Amiga is Programming
« Reply #16 on: May 27, 2005, 01:30:55 AM »
Greetings,

What make me stick with my classics is the Programming language it has. You'd probably quote me on this...

I love AmosPro, blitzbasic(amiblitz) and StormC all for the fun of creating, coding, games devs. I thinks there are others I didn't mention that offers almost the same capabilities as the later that makes this classics a fun machine to code, debug, or program it...

Only problem is... I too lazy to finish what I start most of the time. :-D

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Re: I think the future of Amiga is Programming
« Reply #17 on: May 27, 2005, 04:52:13 PM »
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Greetings,

What make me stick with my classics is the Programming language it has. You'd probably quote me on this...

I love AmosPro, blitzbasic(amiblitz) and StormC all for the fun of creating, coding, games devs. I thinks there are others I didn't mention that offers almost the same capabilities as the later that makes this classics a fun machine to code, debug, or program it...

Only problem is... I too lazy to finish what I start most of the time. :-D

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Re: The future of the Amiga? Is it a Lark or a Dodo
« Reply #18 on: May 28, 2005, 03:38:52 AM »
by Yogi27 on 2005/5/26 7:42:40

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Re: The future of the Amiga? Is it a Lark or a Dodo
« Reply #19 on: May 28, 2005, 09:39:19 AM »
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The costs are due to the small production run and target user base.

What's really sad is that despite the decision to use small volume hardware, it didn't have any compatibility modifications whatsoever compared to vanilla x86 machines.  At the very least, a custom floppy drive controller would have been nice.

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They can spout all the reasons the have for their hardware decisions till the cows come home, but at the end of the day, if it's not in my best interests, who cares?

It's painfully ironic that, given the classic Amiga's custom chip design and emphasis on coprossesing, the PowerPC CPU alone was the only thing that mattered when it came to deciding the future platform.

Hyperion said that the future for PowerPC was very bright.  People point to the next generation game consoles as a representation of what's possible with PowerPC.  Cell is essentially a whole computer on a chip with several FPU units and cost untold millions to engineer, and only follows a narrow set of standards.  Stock PPC chips only keep up with x86, and aren't really any cheaper.  If the chip is so grand and has little legacy baggage, why doesn't it simply blow away x86?

The insane amount of heat generated by x86 CPUs is due to market demand, not a slack of engineering.  People want hot CPUs that are fast, so that's what they get.  Transmeta and Athlons that went up in smoke presented new issues, and now we have Pentium M among other choices.  Transmeta's future is seriously in question as a result, and PPC is still not working it's way into the mainstream desktop market.  ARM pretty much rules the handheld market, too.

People really need to get over their obsession with technical supiriority.  It leads to focusing only on a small portion of the total problem.  The Amiga needs an OS, killer dev tools, and a slick new graphical interface.  It doesn't need another sales pitch as to why CPU A is better than CPU B, and why Amigans really should feel obligated to pay hundreds more for hardware based on standards several years old.
 

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Re: The future of the Amiga? Is it a Lark or a Dodo
« Reply #20 on: May 28, 2005, 11:41:17 AM »
Hi,

Just found this forum while looking for MP3 remixes of some tunes I grew to love during my time with an Amiga, two of which I still own...

I'm a thirty-something.  Was introduced to the Amiga when the Amiga A500 with Kickstart 1.2 came out.  After that I learnt to code, joined a couple "scene" groups, released some software, made some great friends along the way and had some of my most memorable moments at gatherings.

I'm glad I was a part of that scene.

If a new Amiga was to be released it'd scare me immensely.

The Amiga has a cult following, much like the Commodore 64.  There are many sites showing how great the Amiga was and still is.  You can tell by the number of users who proudly exclaim their work on remixing the music, remixing the graphics or what-not.

When I got my PC the first thing I did was transfer all of my floppy disks and the contents of my hard drive (1.4GB took some time!) onto the PC and burnt it onto a CD-ROM.  In some cases I had to write software myself to read the trackdos disks and write them to a file.

I bet everyone has a favourite film from when they were younger, I have.  Kign Arthur and the Spaceman.  I saw it recently and my childhood dreams of the film were shattered.  I wish I never watched it again, instead keeping what I remembered of the film untouched.

The same goes for the Amiga.  I've had so much pleasure from the machine and so many great memories that have been brought to me from using it that personally I want to keep those memories like they are... gold dust.
 

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Re: The future of the Amiga? Is it a Lark or a Dodo
« Reply #21 on: May 28, 2005, 01:33:44 PM »
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by Yogi27 on 2005/5/26 7:42:40

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You are either with us or against us,


Nasty little Red Troll!  Go back to Neverneverland and be happy with life of worrying if MAI bought the farm leaving Eyetech without chips.   :lol:

Dammy


Sure if Amiga.org become again a OS4/A1 slandering forum. Anyway usually are not OS4/A1 users to open these threads....
Ppost like yours really makes me happy to be an aw.net member. Enjoy your trolling.


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Re: The future of the Amiga? Is it a Lark or a Dodo
« Reply #22 on: May 28, 2005, 01:44:32 PM »
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Re: The future of the Amiga? Is it a Lark or a Dodo
« Reply #23 on: May 29, 2005, 11:51:21 AM »
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by Yogi27 on 2005/5/26 7:42:40

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You are either with us or against us,


Nasty little Red Troll!  Go back to Neverneverland and be happy with life of worrying if MAI bought the farm leaving Eyetech without chips.   :lol:

Dammy


Sure if Amiga.org become again a OS4/A1 slandering forum. Anyway usually are not OS4/A1 users to open these threads....
Ppost like yours really makes me happy to be an aw.net member. Enjoy your trolling.


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New hardware?  The uA1c has been out since before xmas, i'd hardly call it new.
 

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Re: The future of the Amiga? Is it a Lark or a Dodo
« Reply #24 on: May 29, 2005, 02:01:53 PM »
by ikir on 2005/5/28 8:33:44


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    dammy wrote:
    by Yogi27 on 2005/5/26 7:42:40

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        You are either with us or against us,



    Nasty little Red Troll! Go back to Neverneverland and be happy with life of worrying if MAI bought the farm leaving Eyetech without chips.

    Dammy



Sure if Amiga.org become again a OS4/A1 slandering forum. Anyway usually are not OS4/A1 users to open these threads....
Ppost like yours really makes me happy to be an aw.net member. Enjoy your trolling.


Let's see here, your pissed off at my sarcastic reply to a "You are either with us or against us..." which is a rather paranoid and tunnel vision statement to make, and you claim I am a troll for it?  I see, you rather be in the protected little world where people can freely make "You are either with us or against us..." post without fear of being slammed for posting such a stupid remark. But if that floats your boat, go for it.

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Re: The future of the Amiga? Is it a Lark or a Dodo
« Reply #25 on: June 11, 2005, 10:15:20 PM »
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Re: The future of the Amiga? Is it a Lark or a Dodo
« Reply #26 on: July 14, 2005, 02:05:47 AM »
Honestly, at the end of the day I just want a new classic Amiga with some updated hardware. Give me the AAA chipset that was promised, addressing 8MB of chipram... Give me a 68060 with a clock speed in 3 or 4 digits... and have it address faster memory (SDRAM or better). Give me ZorroII/III AND PCI expansion slots. Give me high speed serial ports that will allow me to run my 56K modem at full speed. USB/Firewire would me nice. Throw it all on an ATX style board so I can put it all into a tricked-out case to show off! And last but not least, a kick-ass case badge.

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Re: The future of the Amiga? Is it a Lark or a Dodo
« Reply #27 on: July 14, 2005, 02:15:05 PM »
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Re: The future of the Amiga? Is it a Lark or a Dodo
« Reply #28 on: July 14, 2005, 03:06:31 PM »
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Honestly, at the end of the day I just want a new classic Amiga with some updated hardware. Give me the AAA chipset that was promised, addressing 8MB of chipram... Give me a 68060 with a clock speed in 3 or 4 digits... and have it address faster memory (SDRAM or better). Give me ZorroII/III AND PCI expansion slots. Give me high speed serial ports that will allow me to run my 56K modem at full speed. USB/Firewire would me nice. Throw it all on an ATX style board so I can put it all into a tricked-out case to show off! And last but not least, a kick-ass case badge.

Although it's not exactly what you're looking for, the hobby project I'm thinking about taking on isn't far off. http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=16757  Admittedly, it's nothing more than fantasy vapor at the moment, but I am going to give it a serious try.  

Out of curiousity, why is it that you want Zorro II/III slots?  Apart from video toaster hardware, I can't think of much that doesn't have a faster/cheaper equivalent in PCI.
 

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Re: The future of the Amiga? Is it a Lark or a Dodo
« Reply #29 from previous page: July 14, 2005, 04:17:42 PM »
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Il bet it will be the same as it has been for the last 5 years  even 5 more years people my age(22) and even younger seem to have a general intererst for the retro part off the mashine and after my friends had played around with mine they orderd their  own a1200 connected it to a projector and still have fun with it. The way i see it amiga may get more and more wanted dont know about the a1 tho.

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