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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga community support ideas => Topic started by: BigBenAussie on May 28, 2010, 10:56:03 AM
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(http://www.commodoreusa.net/i//ceBllQlSdokqE_2_1.jpg)
Now that's more like it!!!!!!
I don't have specs for you yet.
(watch this space)
Commodore USA (http://www.commodoreusa.net/i//ceBllQlSdokqE_2_1.jpg)
But it is probably the same specs as what it looks like. :-D
I can confirm that it is ATOM/nvidia based
INVICTUS is the latin word for "Invincible".
It comes in silver too. It also has a stylus.
I do not know if it features wireless wiBand HDMI. I'll see if I can find out. EDIT: It has it.
edit: It has the Nvidia ION chipset, which is a newer higher performance graphics chip set.
edit: It will have 5-5.5 hour battery life. The LCD screen does remain ON when external video is running.
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It's the Eee Keyboard that has not came out yet.
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Nice... Certainly more appealing than the X1000 (or a fricken ipad!) - to me at least... :-)
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no no no..
how can this be appealing
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It's the Eee Keyboard that has not came out yet.
Bingo, you're right !
Perhaps one day CBM USA will release a true AMIGA or COMMODORE :biglaugh:
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I find your lack of faith disturbing. :-D
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Call it the Admiral.
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Now that's more like it!!!!!!
The Commodore sticker aside, does this PC at least come with some sort of special software that makes it more Commodore-ish than, say, any other x86 PC?
Sorry for sounding negative, but please help me understand this - I don't really see what the fuzz is all about. It's just another PC running Windows.
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The Commodore sticker aside, does this PC at least come with some sort of special software that makes it more Commodore-ish than, say, any other x86 PC?
Sorry for sounding negative, but please help me understand this - I don't really see what the fuzz is all about. It's just another PC running Windows.
It is likely to come with AROS as a standard boot option.
I don't know yet, if there will be C64 or Amiga emulation options.
I hope to see some.
Note, that the official launch has not taken place.
The best is yet to come.
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Hey, why not just buy one of these to add to your current computer!?
http://www.gadgetadvisor.com/computer-hardware/nanovision-mimo-7-usb-touch-screen-monitor
I bet you can fit a C= logo on it somewhere.
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Actually there is a fair amount of information about it:
Geeky Gadgets (http://www.geeky-gadgets.com/asus-eee-keyboard-pc-video-23-04-2010/)
Buy it on Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003HK5RM6?ie=UTF8&tag=alltouchtablet-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B003HK5RM6)
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You do realise that those Nanovision MIMO 7″ USB Touch-screen Monitors you linked to are the exact same resolution as the actual touchscreen on the keyboard?
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...your point?
They're also movable and you can use them on a much more powerful PC, not to mention you get the whole auxiliary touch screen display experience (which is the only notable thing the EeeKeyboard offers) at a fraction of the cost.
Also, the image on the "Commodore" site appears to be a different unit, maybe a prototype shot or a cheap knockoff of the Eee unit.
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I was kind of wondering how long it would take this idiot to rebrand this computer, since he's already got the cybernet and another all in one keyboard on his site.
I love the hypeup and make believe nonsense on the website. I wonder how long it will be until commodore international or whoever owns the trademark sues him and shuts him down.
Why buy this thing from this joker? Just to get a commodore sticker you stick on yourself? Your kidding right?
Steven
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Only one review so far. They didn't like it....
11 of 18 people found the following review helpful:
A big disappointment!, May 19, 2010
By Tzu-liang Lo "findingnemo" (San Jose, CA USA) - See all my reviews
Amazon Verified Purchase(What's this?)
This review is from: ASUS EeeKeyboard (Electronics)
i had high expectation for this product... but tried it for one day and i decided to return it. my reasons :
1) too expensive - basically it's a netbook, similar to Asus's Asus Eee PC 1001P-MU17-BK 10.1-Inch Intel Atom Netbook Computer (Black) or Asus EeeBox EBXB202-BLK-X0081 Desktop PC (1.6 GHz Intel Atom Processor, 1 GB RAM, 160 GB Hard Drive, XP Home) Black (i have both of them, and 2-3 starts to both of them), so $600 is too expensive for a netbook (OK, it has ultra-band wireless HD, that's fair to add some $$ for it, but it has no display, which just balance off the wireless HD, so still expensive at $600);
2)loud - the wireless HD receiver has a fan that is loud, even after i have turned the tv audio volume up;
3)this is the most worse one : it can not even handle Hulu and Netflix videos, let along my 1080p mkv videos collections (impossible)
high expectation turned out to be a big disappointment... that's all i can say.
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Further bastardization of the Commodore name. It's like those spam emails with the enticing title, only to find out that the body of the email has little to do with the title.
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Its bad enough that I have to plug a larger keyboard into my iPAQ to make it usable.. Seriously is this supposed to be progress. Don`t get it. And certainly nothing Commodore about this sorry.
scuzz
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Specs:
For those of you who need a recapitulation of the specifications, the Eee PC Keyboard packs Intel's Atom N270 processor; 1GB of DDR2;Ultra Wide Band built in transmitter and external receiver WLAN 802.11 b/g/n; 10/100/1000 LAN; Bluetooth V2.1; a 5-inch 800x480 LED multi-touch display; wireless-N; HDMI out from keyboard and UWB receiver; VGA out; 3 x USB 2.0 ports and Windows XP Home.
Asus' All-in-One Eee Keyboard PC Finally Ships (http://www.tomshardware.com/news/eee-eee-keyboard-eee-pc-wireless-hdmi-atom,10416.html)
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Where did the pic come from? It's obviously doctored badly in the bottom RH corner.
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On the other board they say it's a Great Wall Cross PC U150 Ion-izes the Eee Keyboard (http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/24/great-wall-cross-pc-u150-ion-izes-the-eee-keyboard/)
This is the original un-doctored image:
(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/01/01-24-10crosspcu150.jpg)
Invictus
Out of the night that covers me,
Black as the Pit from pole to pole,
I thank whatever gods may be
For my unconquerable soul.
In the fell clutch of circumstance
I have not winced nor cried aloud.
Under the bludgeonings of chance
My head is bloody, but unbowed.
Beyond this place of wrath and tears
Looms but the Horror of the shade,
And yet the menace of the years
Finds, and shall find, me unafraid.
It matters not how strait the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll.
I am the master of my fate:
I am the captain of my soul.
William Ernest Henley
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@persia
I've been in contact with Commodore's owner Barry Altman. He just got back from China and is jet-lagged.
Over the last month or so we've been discussing AROS as a standard boot option.
I shot him an e-mail just before and I am surprised I already got a reply.
I can confirm that the Invictus WILL HAVE wireless HDMI. VERY COOL!!
The specs are actually higher than the ASUS eee PC, which apparently has difficulty even running Xp.
He says the Commodore trademark deal is a mere couple of weeks away. Only got to decide on various options. Not a matter of IF but WHEN now.
I have been given permission to quote this part of his e-mail.
Things are progressing at a rapid rate, and the Commodore line will launch shortly, with all the new products, including the Atom/Nvidea based INVICTUS, and many more surprises to follow.
Over the last couple of weeks he has shared with me the immense amount of work that goes into getting all this stuff done. Its much more than what you think. There's also a lot more going on that I can't divulge. The best is yet to come.
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I was kind of wondering how long it would take this idiot to rebrand this computer, since he's already got the cybernet and another all in one keyboard on his site.
With all due respect Steve.... Everything you've said in this post is complete and utter rubbish.
I love the hypeup and make believe nonsense on the website. I wonder how long it will be until commodore international or whoever owns the trademark sues him and shuts him down.
Hype up? Hype up? On their own website....Heaven forbid, they would try to sell a product.
Edit: Forgot to comment on trademark.
The owner says the Commodore trademark deal is a mere couple of weeks away. Only got to decide on various options. Not a matter of IF but WHEN now.
Why buy this thing from this joker? Just to get a commodore sticker you stick on yourself? Your kidding right?
Congratulations! You are runner up troll of the year.
The logo is already affixed to the machine as you would expect of classic Commodore machines.
Some of the pre-orders went out without them, that is all.
I don't know why you are getting you knickers in a knot over this.
Why is this making you so angry that you need to lash out and call people idiots?
I mean what did you expect a Commodore company to do? This is the first bunch of products. If you don't like any of the first generation of products, then don't buy one. Others will, and then you will see some unique product development more to your tastes. It might not be exactly what YOU want now, but the product line will evolve.
Is it too much to ask for a fair go? Maybe that's very Australian of me. ;-)
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the internal 5-inch touchscreen on the right shuts off when an external monitor is connected
How completely lame. I'd hope they're wrong about that.
This is the first bunch of products. If you don't like any of the first generation of products, then don't buy one.
Someone else's products! Unless he's selling at the same cost or less than the original vendor, it's a very silly idea to pay a higher price for a Commodore sticker.
Throwing a free OS onto a machine doesn't make the product original.
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(http://www.commodoreusa.net/i//ceBllQlSdokqE_2_1.jpg)
Now that's more like it!!!!!!
I don't have specs for you yet.
(watch this space)
Commodore USA (http://www.commodoreusa.net/i//ceBllQlSdokqE_2_1.jpg)
But it is probably the same specs as what it looks like. :-D
I can confirm that it is ATOM/nvidia based
INVICTUS is the latin word for "Invincible".
It comes in silver too. It also has a stylus.
I do not know if it features wireless wiBand HDMI. I'll see if I can find out.
What makes this anything other than a limp wristed Atom based piece of crap inferior to a 2005 Pentium M laptop with the LCD screen/lid removed?
Will it even be able to play Battlefield 2 for PC from 2005 @ SXGA in medium detail? Nope.
So the answer is nothing ;)
I bought an Amiga and a C64 because they were cutting edge technology, this is basically only suitable for the facebook/MSN/Youtube etc. Give me a Dell D810 laptop with 2.1ghz Pentium M II and 128mb ATI x600 with the lid missing for 50 bucks any day. Such a 5 year old machine would annihilate this thing on any test you care to run.
However if your current doorstop is a bit worn out and you don't want the door handles damaging your newly plastered walls on windy days.................
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How completely lame. I'd hope they're wrong about that.
Someone else's products! Unless he's selling at the same cost or less than the original vendor, it's a very silly idea to pay a higher price for a Commodore sticker.
Throwing a free OS onto a machine doesn't make the product original.
Well, Eyetech did the same with Teron mobos, was that a bad thing?
Edit: And then the cost of OS4, lets' not forget that one either.
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What free OS was that, that wouldn't run on any other clone lying around?
Exactly.
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Someone else's products! Unless he's selling at the same cost or less than the original vendor, it's a very silly idea to pay a higher price for a Commodore sticker.
Hey! Re-branding OEM PCs worked really well for Commodore companies of the past...
http://www.amiga.org/gallery/index.php?n=2621
Erm!
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I mean what did you expect a Commodore company to do?
Are you sure you want to know? :laughing:
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Someone else's products! Unless he's selling at the same cost or less than the original vendor, it's a very silly idea to pay a higher price for a Commodore sticker.
You really make me laugh. I suggest you remove all brand products from your possession.
You'd probably end up naked. You pay more for a brand product. Get over it.
Hell, why don't you go wear that line out on the AmigaOne fans.
At least it's not CommodoreOne. Sheesh.
At least they can get the proper name of the brand.
Throwing a free OS onto a machine doesn't make the product original.
Why do you want to pay for Windows for? Losing Windows is a good thing.
It comes with Ubuntu now.... Yeah, it's been done before... sure... but it's hardly a wide spread practice. Isn't that different enough for you.
Ok, with a bit of luck we'll get AROS on it, and maybe some emulation options. We'll see.
You can even install MacOSX on their Commodore Phoenix. Which I hope to demonstrate when mine finally arrives. Yeah, you can do that on MSI machines. But it is still different.
There is probably even going to be an OS called Comodo which is a vastly simpler OS for young children or seniors.
Hell... What has Commodore got to do?
Do you want ChomeOS? I mean really?
Do you want something like Bumptop?
What would you like to see on this machine?
Tell me and I'll see if I can make it happen.
The owner is open to all suggestions.
We, the Commodore fans, can make this what we want!
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What makes this anything other than a limp wristed Atom based piece of crap inferior to a 2005 Pentium M laptop with the LCD screen/lid removed?
Will it even be able to play Battlefield 2 for PC from 2005 @ SXGA in medium detail? Nope.
So the answer is nothing ;)
I bought an Amiga and a C64 because they were cutting edge technology, this is basically only suitable for the facebook/MSN/Youtube etc. Give me a Dell D810 laptop with 2.1ghz Pentium M II and 128mb ATI x600 with the lid missing for 50 bucks any day. Such a 5 year old machine would annihilate this thing on any test you care to run.
However if your current doorstop is a bit worn out and you don't want the door handles damaging your newly plastered walls on windy days.................
1. The Invictus comes with the Nvidia ION chipset which it is said will revolutionise gaming on these small devices. With wireless HDMI, you won't even need to have it plugged into your HDMI TV.
"Will it even be able to play Battlefield 2 for PC from 2005 @ SXGA in medium detail? Nope."
2. I bet you it will. And on your couch in your living room. And who knows, you might even be able to put keyboard game shortcuts on the touch screen.
3. If you think these specs are too low for you.....There's always the Commodore Phoenix, with the highend version being a 3.4 Ghz Quad Core. If you wait until Christmas you might even see an i7 version. That's why there's a range of Commodore machines at different specifications and price points. Honestly. Next you'll begrudge a Toyota Corolla for not being an F1 car!
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Hey! Re-branding OEM PCs worked really well for Commodore companies of the past...
http://www.amiga.org/gallery/index.php?n=2621
Erm!
Isn't it funny. A lot of you are lamenting the re-branding OEM PCs as very un-Commodore, and then you realise Commodore actually did that themselves.
This practice isn't what killed Commodore either.
In 2010, this really is however, the only option available.
Did you expect a new Commodore company to come up with a console that can compete with multi-billion dollar companies like Sony and MS? Commodore couldn't even do that with their 2 console efforts.
Did you expect a new Commodore company to come up with revolutionary graphics technology that can compete with multi-billion dollar companies like ATI and nVidia?
Yeah, AGA was great.
What you are seeing is surely what the Commodore of old would have done anyway. Computers are a commodity. Why would you begrudge someone for wanting something a little different, even if it is not rational choice in your eyes.
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To paraphrase a saying from when commodore still had (a tiny bit) of relevency, "It's the software, stupid!"
It would be ridiculously easy to make some money if you had the commodore name and a bit of venture capital, but this is not the way to do it.
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To paraphrase a saying from when commodore still had (a tiny bit) of relevency, "It's the software, stupid!"
It would be ridiculously easy to make some money if you had the commodore name and a bit of venture capital, but this is not the way to do it.
This is true, although I would like to make a tiny plea that it was also the styling. Maybe I'm weird, but I find the styling of the Amigas (heck, even the VIC and C64) to be sexy :lol:.
Now if you'll excuse me, I think I hear the lovely men in white jackets downstairs. I think I'll go get them some tea :D
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You really make me laugh. I suggest you remove all brand products from your possession.
You'd probably end up naked. You pay more for a brand product. Get over it.
Hell, why don't you go wear that line out on the AmigaOne fans.
At least it's not CommodoreOne. Sheesh.
At least they can get the proper name of the brand.
You laugh when you should cry. The only thing sadder than trying to capitalize on an old brand name by reselling hardware people can buy themselves cheaper is supporting the effort. People will pay more for a brand name product if it has some qualities the cheaper options don't, so far this "Commodore" hasn't shown to offer anything of the sort, and them stamping C= a logo on something means about as much as me stamping one on something. The AmigaOne, while no huge commercial success, had the fact that it was a means to an end going for it, it was required hardware to run OS4. Cheaper, better PCs can be had than these rebranded "Commodore" units, and do the same thing.
It comes with Ubuntu now.... Yeah, it's been done before... sure... but it's hardly a wide spread practice. Isn't that different enough for you.
No, it isn't. Ubuntu can be installed in about 45 minutes by most anyone who knows how to turn a computer on these days.
Ok, with a bit of luck we'll get AROS on it, and maybe some emulation options. We'll see.
Luck? These are more free, easy to do things that work everywhere. No special C= logo needed!
You can even install MacOSX on their Commodore Phoenix. Which I hope to demonstrate when mine finally arrives. Yeah, you can do that on MSI machines. But it is still different.
No, it isn't.
There is probably even going to be an OS called Comodo which is a vastly simpler OS for young children or seniors.
Let me guess, another version of Ubuntu with some big pretty icons. Nothing new here either.
The owner is open to all suggestions.
Give it up, the whole thing smells like failure.
We, the Commodore fans, can make this what we want!
The Commodore fans just love to see their brand that died in 1994 stamped on new and unoriginal products.
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To paraphrase a saying from when commodore still had (a tiny bit) of relevency, "It's the software, stupid!"
You may find that the new Commodore machines will actually pay homage to the Commodore software legacy some time soon. That's what I am involved in facilitating right now. Otherwise it will be like Elvis coming back from the dead and singing only Abba songs.
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No, I agree completely. In fact, my problem with these latest 'products' isn't the internals, it's the externals and the software.
Two brilliant case studies for what Commodore needs to do are already out in the market place and do quite well: the 'New Beetle' and the 'new MINI'. Both pay massive amounts of homage to the original, iconic product, while still managing to modernize the brand.
They need to limit themselves to one primary sku, and actually hire a designer to create a new case for it that looks cool, retro, and most importantly, like a Commodore. Also, beige is the new black. Embrace it.
I'd also hire some software engineers. I think you could easily get away using linux or BSD as the base for the OS (Darwin?!), but you have to write a custom GUI for it that also manages to look modern yet retro. You might even be able to get away with using a modified version of something like Haiku on it. I definatly would NOT ship it with Windows. Windows should be a boot camp sort of option. It's going to be a niche market one way or the other to begin with, so why not embrace that? From the software side, I'd be trying to move towards an Apple model.
Built-in emulation would be a given, but also get some guys to re-write and modernize some classic games from the C64 and include them with the system.
Finally you need marketing, marketing, marketing, marketing. Reaching out to a bunch of guys on an Amiga retro website is easy. You need to convince the 30-40 year olds who played with commodores when they were kids but who haven't thought about commodore in 20 years that this is the machine that can take them back to a time when computers were for fun, not spreadsheets.
...oh, you also need to keep this less than $500 a unit. :)
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@Tone007
Just because you don't get it doesn't mean other people wont.
Yes, people can find and purchase whatever obscure machines they want.
If they can find these machines elsewhere they should go for it.
If the brand means nothing to them, they can shop elsewhere too.
No-one is forcing anyone to buy anything. But for those that want one, here it is.
In terms of software there is the matter of convenience as well which you seem to neglect. This is pitched at a more mainstream audience that would prefer everything to work out of the box. You're a geek and discerning and you probably want to do everything yourself. Next, I'll probably hear you can put a machine together like this out of parts strewn about in your bedroom. Well others aren't interested in that. I dare say the majority of computer purchasers aren't interested in that either.
Why you feel the urge to stomp on this, when this represents the ONLY chance of a Commodore comeback. I really don't know. (sigh)
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1. The Invictus comes with the Nvidia ION chipset which it is said will revolutionise gaming on these small devices. With wireless HDMI, you won't even need to have it plugged into your HDMI TV.
"Will it even be able to play Battlefield 2 for PC from 2005 @ SXGA in medium detail? Nope."
2. I bet you it will. And on your couch in your living room. And who knows, you might even be able to put keyboard game shortcuts on the touch screen.
3. If you think these specs are too low for you.....There's always the Commodore Phoenix, with the highend version being a 3.4 Ghz Quad Core. If you wait until Christmas you might even see an i7 version. That's why there's a range of Commodore machines at different specifications and price points. Honestly. Next you'll begrudge a Toyota Corolla for not being an F1 car!
Hmmm the similar Atom machine that this is compared to barely runs XP, an OS that runs fine on a 600mhz PIII and yet we have such enthusiasm.
1. Great, wireless HDMI for a machine that will struggle to store and playback 1080p video on the plasma/LCD. And the whole keyboard on lap and surf the web thing doesn't work anyway. Nothing people haven't tried for years via cordless keyboards and shuttle PC under the TV.
2. Yes I know it has ION but even if your geometry set up engine was not lumbered with an Atom it's still doubtful it would manage one of the most advanced DX9.3c engines at 30+ fps in SXGA 32bit colour from 2005. In fact there are only two laptops sold brand new today that can run these games, let alone cut down Atom CPU'd items.
3. My issue is it's not a 'Commodore' as it is nothing technically unique resulting in games a generation ahead of the competition. I don't need to pay 300% of parts prices to have a C= logo on my PC. Some realistic ideas on the off-chance someone from 'Commodore' reads this place...
C64 DTV relaunched with SD card slot.
C64 DTV motherboard in a 1:2 scale C64/C64C casing with BASIC built in and tape & disk ports.
As above but with optional hinged LCD 7" screen in the style of the Commodore LCD machine.
MP3 player full of SID tunes or MODs (in MP3 format).
Media player with good sized LCD and built in C64 emulator for a C64-a-like PSP machine.
All the above are possible, there is just no effort or imagination at all. A Commodore badge <> something I will automatically buy. Let's face it facebook/twitter addicts who buy this kind of low end CPU stuff forgot Commodore 15(+) years ago so the branding isn't going to help them much.
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http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/04/15/commodore_name_kerfuffle/
This is just lame. Avoid.
@BigBenAussie
You're being used. I'd seriously reconsider dealing with this Altman guy.
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This is pitched at a more mainstream audience that would prefer everything to work out of the box.
Mainstream audience doesn't care about AROS, UAE, or C64 emulation either for the most part, I'd wager, which only leaves the main OS and apps. Mainstream, again, doesn't really want Linux when all their friends have Microsoft. Honestly, I'd say the Commodore Gaming effort had more of a shot than this one, if only for the fact they had a set market they were aiming towards. This incarnation just seems to like picking odd looking hardware to stick a Commodore logo on and hopes that's enough to sell it.
Speaking of AROS and the various emulation packages, which have been developed and offered for free by the community, it would seem unfair to the developers to use these as selling points on a commercial system, and essentially profit from someone else's hard work, without offering them something. Of course, I can't speak for those respective communities, but it just seems like more reliance on other peoples' names and work to sell mundane product.
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@Tone007
Why you feel the urge to stomp on this, when this represents the ONLY chance of a Commodore comeback. I really don't know. (sigh)
I suspect he feels the urge to stomp on this because it looks like (yet another) fly-by-night attempt to rape the corpse of one of his childhood friends. That's sort of what it feels like to me, anyway. I don't get the sense that there's (much) money behind this, therefore I expect the chances of this succeeding are about nil. I don't see good branding. I don't see any consideration for design. I don't see any compelling marketing. I don't see any compelling software. When I was talking about hiring software engineers to write a custom GUI on a *nix base, I was thinking more of an OS X sort of deal, not re-skinning Ubuntu.
Christ, man, we should be the most FERVENT of your target audience. If you can't sell us, how to you expect to sell anyone else?
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Christ, man, we should be the most FERVENT of your target audience. If you can't sell us, how to you expect to sell anyone else?
+1
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No, I agree completely. In fact, my problem with these latest 'products' isn't the internals, it's the externals and the software.
Two brilliant case studies for what Commodore needs to do are already out in the market place and do quite well: the 'New Beetle' and the 'new MINI'. Both pay massive amounts of homage to the original, iconic product, while still managing to modernize the brand.
They need to limit themselves to one primary sku, and actually hire a designer to create a new case for it that looks cool, retro, and most importantly, like a Commodore. Also, beige is the new black. Embrace it.
I'd also hire some software engineers. I think you could easily get away using linux or BSD as the base for the OS (Darwin?!), but you have to write a custom GUI for it that also manages to look modern yet retro. You might even be able to get away with using a modified version of something like Haiku on it. I definatly would NOT ship it with Windows. Windows should be a boot camp sort of option. It's going to be a niche market one way or the other to begin with, so why not embrace that? From the software side, I'd be trying to move towards an Apple model.
Built-in emulation would be a given, but also get some guys to re-write and modernize some classic games from the C64 and include them with the system.
Finally you need marketing, marketing, marketing, marketing. Reaching out to a bunch of guys on an Amiga retro website is easy. You need to convince the 30-40 year olds who played with commodores when they were kids that this is the machine that can take them back to a time when computers were for fun, not spreadsheets.
...oh, you also need to keep this less than $500 a unit. :)
There are a range of machines for different people. Cutting off at a particular price only has people saying "if only they". You can't please everyone with one product, you can't even do that with many products. You create a range and people buy according to what they're willing to spend and their sensibilities. Should Apple only have one product? What you are asking for would be suicidal.
You don't think these devices are a modern spin on the Computer in a keyboard concept so reminiscent of Comodore's computer heritage? Look at any review of these kinds of machines from other companies and you will more often than not see reference to Commodore. New designs costs a lot of money and there is no guarantee of success. There will be new designs. The Commodore Phoenix is an apt name as it will help Commodore rise from the ashes. It will lead to bigger and better things.
I pushed for Beige. Barry laughed at me. Oh well. People also want the machine to boot into the Blue/Cyan ready screen too. I have to think beige is a rather acquired taste these days. I don't think I've ever heard anyone ask for a beige Amiga either. I see people asking for black. The Phoenix I chose is silver and black, with black keys. Suits my monitor decor and desk. But hey, maybe that's just me.
Wait, so you're going to pick....Darwin, or Haiku, over AROS. How very un-Amigan of you. :-D
I've already mentioned the desire to put AROS as a standard boot option. If you couple it with ROMS it could provide the ultimate Commodore retro experience. It is not about being Apple. You simply can't go and build something new that is as good as MacOSX anyway and it's suicide to try. AROS does not pretend to be the greatest system ever, but provide an Amiga-like experience that returning Commodore fans will likely enjoy AS A HOBBY. Ya know, do you remember when computers were fun? You can't expect Commodore to, all by themselves, come up with a revolutionary new operating system to compete with the likes of Apple no matter what short-cuts they take. People already lament that MacOSX is just another unix/linux. Could you imagine what Amigafiles would say?
I'll say it again. As the machines sell, and they will, there will be new designs that will likely be more to your tastes.
Windows is only an option right now. The machines currently ship with the latest Ubuntu as standard. There will hopefully be more options in time for the official launch in Q3. I may have mentioned that I will be attempting to quadruple boot, Win7, Ubuntu, MacOSX and AROS, when I get my Phoenix.
In our e-mails Commodore USA's owner has told me that there will be a significant amount spent on marketing. Much more than the last Commodore companies seemed to have spent. They came and died without me even knowing they were there. There are some interesting advertising ideas kicking about. I am confident you'll hear about Commodore in the mainstream soon enough. Hopefully it wont be cringe-worthy, but I'm sure there'll be haters. There are always haters.
What you are asking in terms of revamps of Commodore games is outside Commodore's area of interest. Isn't something like that more down Hyperion's alley? You should accost them. If you could run a multitude of classic games, hopefully, out of the box, that would be an achievement in itself. You've got to leave something for third parties to create.
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While I like the geek factor of a Commodore label, it is not worth a premium over the same product without a Commodore label. So far I don't see a product by this may-one-day-be-branded-Commodore company that I want. Then again I don't like my PCs as all in one, I like towers with lots of slots.
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I will just build my own power house computer and slap a C= sticker on the side.
and then give it some goony name that makes it sound futuristic.
I will call it the Nebulatron
Isn't that what they are doing?
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I must be missing something here.. so you have a full size keyboard and your looking down and to the right at this dinky 7" screen, for what? Future neck problems? Seems silly to me. This vs an iPad, no brainer iPad wins.
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In our e-mails Commodore USA's owner has told me that there will be a significant amount spent on marketing. Much more than the last Commodore companies seemed to have spent.
There nothing better than free marketing.
Speaking of which, have any of you seen any actual marketing efforts from Commodore USA, other than getting people post to blogs and forums about it?
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http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/04/15/commodore_name_kerfuffle/
This is just lame. Avoid.
@BigBenAussie
You're being used. I'd seriously reconsider dealing with this Altman guy.
@Piru.
Thanks for your concern. However, you are rehashing old arguments that I know you and I have already discussed previously. In fact, up until recently there was a link to that article right from Commodore USA's website. He only removed it *today* to add the Commodore Invictus to the front page. Ya see, he's got nothing to hide. The Inquirer like Engadget and most of the tech blogs are all about sarcasm, snide remarks and snickering, and this kind of storm in a teacup is expected. The trademark negotiations are going forward with the correct trademark owner as planned and will be wrapped in a couple of weeks.
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What you are asking in terms of revamps of Commodore games is outside Commodore's area of interest.
Barrydore's area of interest is simply to make money on an old name, don't expect anything more!
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Are you keepin up with the Barrydore!?
CAUSE THE BARRYDORE IS KEEPING UP WITH YOU.
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Are you keepin up with the Barrydore!?
CAUSE THE BARRYDORE IS KEEPING UP WITH YOU.
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There nothing better than free marketing.
Speaking of which, have any of you seen any actual marketing efforts from Commodore USA, other than getting people post to blogs and forums about it?
I post here voluntarily as a Commodore fan. Some people might be interested. Perhaps I'll know better next time. Maybe I'll never learn. Oh well. Nothing lost, except time posting.
Commodore haven't officially launched yet, but there was no point in waiting until then, when some products are already in place. Advertising hasn't even started and there has already been significant response. The current site is merely for research purposes. You don't like this whole effort. Fine. You're all sounding like a bunch of George Lucas haters lamenting the new Starwars trilogy. Fine. It doesn't mean it wont be successful. I'm sorry you can't share in my excitement and hope for this new Commodore enterprise.
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There nothing better than free marketing.
I disagree free food and Amigas are much better than free marketing..lol
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There are a range of machines for different people. Cutting off at a particular price only has people saying "if only they". You can't please everyone with one product, you can't even do that with many products.
This, more than anything else you've said, exemplifies why this is a pipe dream. You're not...or, at least you shouldn't be, trying to please everyone. You're not even trying to please most everyone. The target should be a VERY niche market to begin with.
You create a range and people buy according to what they're willing to spend and their sensibilities. Should Apple only have one product? What you are asking for would be suicidal.
Did not Apple start out with only one product? Was it suicidal? With this effort, I think you need to emulate the early days of computing not only with your design, but with your philosophy. You start out with one model and then build up from there. One model, by the way, doesn't mean that you don't have different memory options, storage options, network options, etc. But you want to make ONE machine that LOOKS like a commodore.
You don't think these devices are a modern spin on the Computer in a keyboard concept so reminiscent of Comodore's computer heritage?
Once you get past 'the CPU is INSIDE the keyboard', all similarities to Commodore ends. Maybe this thing is a modern spin on a ZX Spectrum? That seems as possible, if not more, than it being an homage to Commodore.
New designs costs a lot of money and there is no guarantee of success. There will be new designs.
This is true. That's the nature of business...it takes money to make money, and there's no guarantee that you'll make money.
The Commodore Phoenix is an apt name as it will help Commodore rise from the ashes.
I bet you $20 it won't.
I pushed for Beige. Barry laughed at me.
Sounds like Barry doesn't know his target demographic.
People also want the machine to boot into the Blue/Cyan ready screen too. I have to think beige is a rather acquired taste these days. I don't think I've ever heard anyone ask for a beige Amiga either. I see people asking for black.
Black is everywhere. Black is a dell, an HP, even an Apple. A nice retro beige case is where to go...retro should be a big part of the campaign for this thing, and beige is the ultimate retro. And you don't chase after what people say they want. You show them something that they didn't know they wanted and you MAKE them want it.
Wait, so you're going to pick....Darwin, or Haiku, over AROS. How very un-Amigan of you. :-D
Yes, but I'm not trying to recreate an Amiga. I'm trying to recreate a commodore 64. There are A LOT of people out there who used C64s who never had a thing to do wtih Amigas.
I've already mentioned the desire to put AROS as a standard boot option. If you couple it with ROMS it could provide the ultimate Commodore retro experience.
Again, is the goal here to recreate a C64, or an Amiga?
It is not about being Apple. You simply can't go and build something new that is as good as MacOSX anyway and it's suicide to try.
I disagree. I say it's suicide to not try.
You can't expect Commodore to, all by themselves, come up with a revolutionary new operating system to compete with the likes of Apple no matter what short-cuts they take. People already lament that MacOSX is just another unix/linux.
That's EXACTLY what I expect Commodore to do. And that's why this will fail, because the copyright owner doesn't have the vision, the capital, or the will to actually do it.
They do? Apple users I know fall into two categories: people like me, who appreciate the fact that Apple has provided the ultime *nix on the desktop while linux users chase their tails (and often bad mouth apple in the process), and people like my niece, who uses OS X daily, and has no idea what a *nix operating system even is, much less that she's using one.
In our e-mails Commodore USA's owner has told me that there will be a significant amount spent on marketing. Much more than the last Commodore companies seemed to have spent.
There's more to marketing than money. It needs to be good marketing, and I think the cats already out of the bag, anyway.
What you are asking in terms of revamps of Commodore games is outside Commodore's area of interest.
It's the software, stupid. Part of the marketing campaign is actually showing this system doing something *unique*. If they expect that people will just start developing for it on their own, they're out of their mind.
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The Commodore Phoenix is an apt name as it will help Commodore rise from the ashes.
Yes only for it to go down in flames yet again.
Sounds like a great plan!
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As an aside, anyone know the color mix for Amiga 2000 tan? If I get a spray can of that I may go apey and spray every computer in the house with it! :lol:
MMMmmm.... Xbox 360, Amiga edition :D
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MMMmmm.... Xbox 360, Amiga edition :D
that extra layer of paint will cause it to overheat probably, lol.
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that extra layer of paint will cause it to overheat probably, lol.
Sshh!!! It's monitoring this network! Don't give it any ideas!
Ironically, this is xbox #4 for me. I think GameCrazy rues the day I bought the extra warranty. It's paid for itself three times over. :lol:
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Ok @abbub
How do you recreate a Commodore 64? I'm listening.
Not one of those lame Webit things with a c64 emulator and a browser I hope.
You want something that evokes the spirit of the C64...then how?
How can you do it differently to what everyone else is doing.
You want Commodore to go into the OS business. The perfect OS... where is it then?
Hell, if Hyperion had an x86 version of AmigaOS, you don't think Commodore wouldn't come calling?
You want what people will regard as "just another unix", with a bit of retro eye-candy on top. But how is that different? You could make yet another Linux distro. But so what. At least AROS has retro going for it and being a clone of Commodore's AmigaOS is something at least. It lacks things but is developing quickly and modern enough to be used today. It's simple and lightening quick, and I thought that was what we all loved about AmigaOS.
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Ok @abbub
How do you recreate a Commodore 64? I'm listening.
Not one of those lame Webit things with a c64 emulator and a browser I hope.
You want something that evokes the spirit of the C64...then how?
How can you do it differently to what everyone else is doing.
You want Commodore to go into the OS business. The perfect OS... where is it then?
Hell, if Hyperion had an x86 version of AmigaOS, you don't think Commodore wouldn't come calling?
You want what people will regard as "just another unix", with a bit of retro eye-candy on top. But how is that different? You could make yet another Linux distro. But so what. At least AROS has retro going for it and being a clone of Commodore's AmigaOS is something at least. It lacks things but is developing quickly and modern enough to be used today. It's simple and lightening quick, and I thought that was what we all loved about AmigaOS.
Many people have made the point that hardware no longer sells a computer. It is software, simple as that. Amiga was the last time I intentionally bought hardware. When I moved to Apple I bought a Power Computing clone. When apple yanked the clone licenses, I went straight to COSTCO and bought the cheapest fastest pentium they had. After that I have built every computer I owned since out of the cheapest/best parts, regardless of manufature and thrown either windows or linux on them. I am more dedicated to the software I run independent of the OS. For example, I have Gimp on all my win/lin/mac boxen. I like Firefox exclusively.
For Commodore to make any serious headway into the "Lookit me!" market, its going to need to be the size of a Pip-Boy, display images softwired to your neural network directly into your brain, have terabyte upon terabyte of data storage/access ability, communicate with anyone or anything telepathically, and cost 200 bucks. IMHO.
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I wonder what sales of this thing have been so far? The Amazon page isn't exactly overflowing with comments. People will likely say oh look a commodore and get it home to discover that it's a netbook sans screen.
Oh and I wouldn't count on OS X, Apple has removed support for the Atom processor.
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Oh and I wouldn't count on OS X, Apple has removed support for the Atom processor.
The MacOSX compatiblity is with the Commodore 64bit Phoenix.
I wasn't suggesting MacOSX as an OS for the Commodore Invictus.
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I post here voluntarily as a Commodore fan.
Okay. I almost got the impression that you were actively marketing the product for Commodore USA. Didn't I also see pretty much identical posts to amigaworld.net, as well?
Oh well, I guess it's just enthusiasm.
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Ya see, he's got nothing to hide.
In the name of this openness, lets also link to:
Commodore Gaming disavows Commodore USA (and its decals) (http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/12/commodore-gaming-disavows-commodore-usa-and-its-decals/)
My favorite part:
Your purchase, according to the site, "will not be branded with the Commodore logo or markings. These self-adhesive logo label plates will be shipped to you at no charge when they are available."
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In the name of this openness, lets also link to:
Commodore Gaming disavows Commodore USA (and its decals) (http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/12/commodore-gaming-disavows-commodore-usa-and-its-decals/)
My favorite part:
To clarify for the umpteenth time. They disavow Commodore USA and its decals, because Commodore Gaming *don't* actually have the rights to give to Commodore USA. A so-called journalist comes along and Commodore Gaming goes all Shultz "I know nuttin... nuttin". And this is suddenly a headline. WTF. Now that Commodore USA is talking to the right people, has talked to the right people, and only needs to sign on the dotted line, why are we still talking about this? The contract is all there, they're just working out the little details, options and exact figures. These things don't seem to go as snappy as everyone would like and I am sure lawyers make a killing from these kinds of things. It's only a couple of weeks away, for crying out loud.
Your purchase, according to the site, "will not be branded with the Commodore logo or markings. These self-adhesive logo label plates will be shipped to you at no charge when they are available."
They already have an arrangement for the logos in the meantime, and the logos are pre-attached to the machine now.
There are no stickers that you need to stick on yourself. You are referring to what was on the site from a couple of months ago and those units were considered pre-orders.
Are you suggesting it is wrong to tell people what is going on and what to expect. It hasn't been there for weeks at least.
To all intents and purposes the trademark negotiations are not really holding up anything. It will be all wrapped up well before the official launch Commodore are considering.
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The contract is all there
Is it? So if I check again after 2 weeks and they still don't have a contract what then? 2 months?
This is the guy who put a logo on their website without any permission to do so. Just to see if anyone would care. This is NOT how you do things.
I'll believe it when the party granting the license says it is ok, not before.
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@Piru
Fine with me. What can I say?
They should rush the deal through just so you will buy one. ;-)
They come with totally legal logos right now with the rightsholders permission. Otherwise you would see a lawsuit of some kind. But you don't. If you are so afraid they won't keep the trademark rights for whatever reason. Maybe you should hurry up and buy one while you can. ;-)
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@Piru
They come with totally legal logos right now with the rightsholders permission.
BTW is there confirmation that they actually have this permission? I hope it isn't one sided announcement from Commodore USA...
No lawsuit doesn't count as one.
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It appears that "Commodore" USA intends to be a distributor for all the screen-less laptops that are currently being made....
I do admire the fact that they don't hide the fact that they are redistributing other companies' products under the Commodore name. They do get a point for honesty for that....
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BTW is there confirmation that they actually have this permission?
No lawsuit doesn't count as one.
Arrrgh.. I'm going to bed. I've had enough.
I'll be sure to give the rights holders your e-mail so they can clear it with you. ;-)
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why are we still talking about this?
Indeed, 5 pages about a silly PC, way too much.
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Ok @abbub
How do you recreate a Commodore 64? I'm listening.
...because I'm bored, I'll do a little brainstorming.
How much capital do I have? What's my target demographic? Who should I view as my competitors?
Assuming I have unlimited capital...
First and foremost, I buy up every license I have to until I'm the SOLE copyright owner to the Commodore/CBM name. With unlimited capital, this means I'd be buying all of the various 'Amiga' names, too, and also probably Cloanto.
It almost seems that the current owner somehow thinks that Apple, HP, Dell, Lenova, etc. are who he's up against. I think that, to a SMALL extent, Apple might be, but certainly not HP, Dell, Lenova, etc.
The C64 is, in my mind, an oddity in that it not only competed against Apple (and IBM) back in the day, but also against Atari, Nintendo, and Sega. That is to say, it's a computer, sure, but it's primarily an entertainment computer. (Okay, I guess that was true of all computers of the era to some extent, but in my mind, the C64 was better at it than other computers...)
I'd say that our new C64 should largely be designed to be used on a television, in the living room, rather than in the study. Towards that end, I really see Sony, Nintendo, and Microsoft as my three largest competitors. I'm not saying the new Commodore should be designed as a console, but rather that it's chief competition for the time and money of a perspective buyer are these other consoles, and that should garner some serious consideration when the feature set is planned. Wireless HDMI, high-def video playing capability, and wireless internet access would probably be must-haves.
I'd say that our new C64 should also be designed to be SIMPLE. The OS should include a modern browser, a capable email client, and a word processor capable of loading and saving office compatible documents. Creating a Commodore version of iLife would be a good idea, because initially the amount of software for this beast is going to be limited, so why not give the consumer what they need out of the box. I'd say that if you could include 10 revamped versions of iconic C64 games that'd be perfect. I'd also borrow heavily from Apple/nintendo/microsoft and have a Commodore version of iTunes/Wiistore/Xbox Arcade where you could, for a small fee (a dollar or two a game?) download classic C64 games in some sort of encapsulated format that includes the documentation in a PDF format and a simple click-to-play format. No fooling around with setting up emulators. Every game you buy comes ready to play without your having to fool around with anything. In addition to repackaged classic games running in emulators, you'd also want to give developers the opportunity to sell 'modern' games designed to take advantage of the hardware.
The more I think about it (again, pretending that capital is no problem), the more I REALLY like the idea of using BEOS as the core of my operating system and having Windows-support available as a 'boot camp' sort of option. I'd also pull an Apple and work hard to keep my OS off of other hardware. 99.9% of the reason to buy Apple hardware is the desire to run Apple software. I'd say the goal with our Commodore OS should be the same.
The aesthetics of our C64 should be a nice, simple homage to the original breadbox. I'd hire the best design team I could find and give them pictures of the original breadbox, with instructions to 'modernize and pay homage'. There should be 0% doubt that the finished product is the 2010 version of the C64, and there's a lot more to that than just being a keyboard with a system board integrated.
I think I'd dub the system the Commodore 1024. Give it a medium powered Atom and a gig of memory. In 6 months, we'll launch the Commodore 2048d, which is a desktop system with wireless mouse/keyboard, a more powerful Atom, 2 Gigs of memory, and an available matching 24" 1080p LCD panel. :)
Don't even get me started on a year or two down the road, when we start taking advantage of those Amiga trademarks we bought up today. :D
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Many people have made the point that hardware
For Commodore to make any serious headway into the "Lookit me!" market, its going to need to be the size of a Pip-Boy, display images softwired to your neural network directly into your brain, have terabyte upon terabyte of data storage/access ability, communicate with anyone or anything telepathically, and cost 200 bucks. IMHO.
Man, THAT would be the example to end all examples for "The Commodore is Keeping up with you"
The days of specialized hardware for daily computing are done. The expandability of the modern PC destroyed all possibility of a brand-computer ever succeeding.
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What a bunch of absolute rubbish this so called company is.
Somehow I'm a troll because I'm pointing out the truth?
This guy took so far near as I can tell 3 different off the shelf already existing computers, which you can buy much much cheaper elsewhere, then called them new products, making up fancy new names.
He can't legally even use the name or trademarks for commodore (yet) as admitted but is still doing so. In my view, thats not just misleading, not just not immoral, but it is also completely illegal. Hey he will include some commodore stickers you can slap on these things. I can print my own fake commodore stickers if I want to pretend my off the shelf pc is a commodore new computer, thank you.
Pardon me for pointing out the truth here. I'll try to remain quiet in the future when my bull*!#! detector goes off, but this company makes that detector go off like crazy.
My favorite part is that they send stupid people to forums like this, where they should know that people will see through this scam to promote this nonsense. Its just ridiculous.
Steven
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...because I'm bored, I'll do a little brainstorming.
How much capital do I have? What's my target demographic? Who should I view as my competitors?
Assuming I have unlimited capital...
First and foremost, I buy up every license I have to until I'm the SOLE copyright owner to the Commodore/CBM name. With unlimited capital, this means I'd be buying all of the various 'Amiga' names, too, and also probably Cloanto.
It almost seems that the current owner somehow thinks that Apple, HP, Dell, Lenova, etc. are who he's up against. I think that, to a SMALL extent, Apple might be, but certainly not HP, Dell, Lenova, etc.
The C64 is, in my mind, an oddity in that it not only competed against Apple (and IBM) back in the day, but also against Atari, Nintendo, and Sega. That is to say, it's a computer, sure, but it's primarily an entertainment computer. (Okay, I guess that was true of all computers of the era to some extent, but in my mind, the C64 was better at it than other computers...)
I'd say that our new C64 should largely be designed to be used on a television, in the living room, rather than in the study. Towards that end, I really see Sony, Nintendo, and Microsoft as my three largest competitors. I'm not saying the new Commodore should be designed as a console, but rather that it's chief competition for the time and money of a perspective buyer are these other consoles, and that should garner some serious consideration when the feature set is planned. Wireless HDMI, high-def video playing capability, and wireless internet access would probably be must-haves.
I'd say that our new C64 should also be designed to be SIMPLE. The OS should include a modern browser, a capable email client, and a word processor capable of loading and saving office compatible documents. Creating a Commodore version of iLife would be a good idea, because initially the amount of software for this beast is going to be limited, so why not give the consumer what they need out of the box. I'd say that if you could include 10 revamped versions of iconic C64 games that'd be perfect. I'd also borrow heavily from Apple/nintendo/microsoft and have a Commodore version of iTunes/Wiistore/Xbox Arcade where you could, for a small fee (a dollar or two a game?) download classic C64 games in some sort of encapsulated format that includes the documentation in a PDF format and a simple click-to-play format. No fooling around with setting up emulators. Every game you buy comes ready to play without your having to fool around with anything. In addition to repackaged classic games running in emulators, you'd also want to give developers the opportunity to sell 'modern' games designed to take advantage of the hardware.
The more I think about it (again, pretending that capital is no problem), the more I REALLY like the idea of using BEOS as the core of my operating system and having Windows-support available as a 'boot camp' sort of option. I'd also pull an Apple and work hard to keep my OS off of other hardware. 99.9% of the reason to buy Apple hardware is the desire to run Apple software. I'd say the goal with our Commodore OS should be the same.
The aesthetics of our C64 should be a nice, simple homage to the original breadbox. I'd hire the best design team I could find and give them pictures of the original breadbox, with instructions to 'modernize and pay homage'. There should be 0% doubt that the finished product is the 2010 version of the C64, and there's a lot more to that than just being a keyboard with a system board integrated.
I think I'd dub the system the Commodore 1024. Give it a medium powered Atom and a gig of memory. In 6 months, we'll launch the Commodore 2048d, which is a desktop system with wireless mouse/keyboard, a more powerful Atom, 2 Gigs of memory, and an available matching 24" 1080p LCD panel. :)
Don't even get me started on a year or two down the road, when we start taking advantage of those Amiga trademarks we bought up today. :D
You expect to compete on equal terms with a $150 Xbox360 for gaming/home entertainment using an Intel Atom based solution? Don't think you've thought this out well ;) Doesn't have to be a C64 specific successor, it's only now that Commodore and Amiga are two distinct brands.
IF, and I do say if, there was ever to be a machine which is a spiritual successor to the Amiga/C64 again you would need something pretty special. It would need to be priced half way between an Xbox 360 and a PC capable of running DX10 games like Alan Wake at 50-60FPS, so that would be approx $800 minimum. It would need to cost half way between the two....so about $300-400.
And then....you would have to do something innovative with the OS and applications. In 1985-87 on an A1000 you could digitise photo-realistic images, sample sounds for instruments in music, create cartoon animations or photo montages etc all using the best ideas like a GUI desktop with multi-tasking. Also unlike PCs it was a simple case of popping in your game disk and playing a game fuss free like a console (after loading KS once with on screen graphical prompt).
What could you do with your 1984 Mac 128k? Nothing much beyond playing with the GUI OS really. And your DOS/Windows v1/v2 8086 PC? Bugger all except boring office stuff and some rubbish CGA ports of classic arcade games like Zaxxon or text adventures from Infocom.
Anyway OS X/Linux/Windows (any) can happily do anything 99% of the Facebook/MSN generation today want to do. OK some do it faster/more reliably than others but the difference is unless you really put in 25 years of OS advancement since the GEM/Mac/Amiga time of 1985 like things bordering on artificial intelligence built into the OS you can't claim your OS is doing something other machines can't. And that's the difference today.
And Microsoft/Sony will not licence their console motherboards for you to write an OS and sell as a rebranded machine and there is no way to build a PC with that sort of power and features within the $150-200 gross cost.
So you are basically screwed on the hardware price/performance AND the OS. That's why today we are back to the pre C64 days of expensive gaming rigs and functionally competent consoles for a fraction of the cost of high end computers but sod all computer like functionality and freedom. There is no best of both worlds type hybrid for less than equivalent PC/Mac.
Atom CPUd low end stuff is paired with a purchase of an xbox 360 to meet gamers needs. So they can play stunning games and watch 1080p media but still also blog on Facebook/surf the web/chat on MSN etc.
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From the other board it also appears that large chunk of "Commodore" USA's website are plagerised from Apple's Mac Mini page....
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You expect to compete on equal terms with a $150 Xbox360 for gaming/home entertainment using an Intel Atom based solution? Don't think you've thought this out well ;) Doesn't have to be a C64 specific successor, it's only now that Commodore and Amiga are two distinct brands.
No. I don't think he did, as it wasn't mentioned in his post. Having an online "arcade" does not mean its competing with a 360 or PS3.
This is a computer, not a video game console.
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Quoted from AW.Net....
I don't know if this has already been mentioned, but the Commodore USA story gets worse and worse. Compare http://www.commodoreusa.net/Commodore_Phoenix_computer.html to http://www.apple.com/macmini/design.html.
"There’s nothing like Mac mini. At just 6.5 inches square and 2 inches tall, it’s designed to take up far less room — and use far less energy — than any other desktop computer."
"Introducing the Commodore Phoenix. There’s nothing like it. At just 17.5 inches wide and 2 inches tall, it’s designed to take up far less room — and use far less energy — than any other desktop computer."
"Small. Simple. Beautiful. Mac mini has a sleek, anodized aluminum case and clean, white surface. It’s small, elegant, and unassuming. In fact, it looks so simple it's hard to believe it’s a computer at all."
"Small. Simple. Beautiful. [The Commodore Phoenix] has a sleek, aluminum finish case and a clean, contemporary surface. It's small, elegant, and unassuming. In fact, it looks so simple it's hard to believe it's a computer at all."
...and so on. It continues down the page. He doesn't do himself any favours, does he?
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Awesome!
I wouldn't expect anything less from a guy sitting in his basement editing pictures badly with a pirated copy of Photoshop while planning to take over the world with the Commodore brand name.
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Your right this just keeps getting better.
Looks like commodore usa's 5 point plan for success is failing.
1) Copy your marketing and website from apple almost word for word.
2) Imply your creating a new computer when all your doing is slapping a sticker on a cybernet zpc that says commodore, even when you have no rights to do so.
3) Imply your creating another new commodore computer when your just taking another off the shelf computer and slapping your fake commodore stickers on them.
4) Send your monkeys to post in commodore and amiga sites hoping to
make a buck with your scam.
5) Start lying about buying the rights or negociating for the rights to the commodore name after you get caught red handed using the name without the legal rights to do so.
Whats ausieben the huge fan of this jackoff got to say now?
Steven
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No. I don't think he did, as it wasn't mentioned in his post. Having an online "arcade" does not mean its competing with a 360 or PS3.
This is a computer, not a video game console.
He was asked to describe next 'true Commodore' and detailed a machine with lntel Atom CPU which can't even play 720p video files, let alone 1080p or 360/PS3 games. I can surf the net on my phone ditto for email/facebook/twitter/youtube/buy crap off ebay.
People play games and watch HD content on 360 for far less money. Most PS3/360 owners also have a PC to do other things a console can't OR people just have a gaming PC costing $1000s to save spending $150 on a 360.
So that's where you are wrong. People bought Amigas in the late 80s, even early 90s in EU, because it saved you buying both and cost less than just a PC. Amiga had games comparable to a 16bit console (cheaper too), did everything a topend 286 Windows PC did.
If you made a $350 computer today that did everything a PS3/360 did, ie played the same 1080p games and full HD movies, but also did basic computing it would sell, and more than this Invictus rubbish.
So a 'new Commodore' needs to be that alternative choice between an expensive gaming PC and cheap console, for a mid-point price. but the days of world beating custom chips made by 3 guys in a garage are over so it's never going to happen.
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He was asked to describe next 'true Commodore' and detailed a machine with lntel Atom CPU which can't even play 720p video files, let alone 1080p or 360/PS3 games. I can surf the net on my phone ditto for email/facebook/twitter/youtube/buy crap off ebay.
Cause, surfing the net on a phone is the most comfortable, versatile thing ever! Totally streamlined. Do you write most of your hamfisted replies from your phone?
This is supposed to be a computer, not a home theater experience. Watching high res videos is best left to gigantic TVs and home theater equipment.
It isn't like back in the 80s, the C64 or even the Amiga provided you with a home theater experience that outdid your hifi and whatnot either. Unless you had a killer way to play your vinyls on the Amiga, and put a video tape in one.
So why is it crucial that a throwback model does this?
So that's where you are wrong. People bought Amigas in the late 80s, even early 90s in EU, because it saved you buying both and cost less than just a PC. Amiga had games comparable to a 16bit console (cheaper too), did everything a topend 286 Windows PC did.
And that is where you haven't left the 80s. PCs no longer cost a fortune, and consoles provide better looking games and usability at a fraction of the cost. Durp? you buy both and stop trying to cram 234923049234 functions into one machine that will end up overheating, being obsolete in 2 years, or breaking when you spill something on it.
computer games weren't cheaper either. some were maybe, but they usually sucked.
also, wrong about what? I said two sentences and you didn't address one. You hardly addressed the other.
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He was asked to describe next 'true Commodore' and detailed a machine with lntel Atom CPU which can't even play 720p video files, let alone 1080p or 360/PS3 games.
I was under the impression that like the VIA chipset that comes with the Nano, the ION chipset offered hardware decoding for various codecs precisely so that the Atom would only be shuffling the data rather than doing the grunt work (assuming you have the drivers).
So a 'new Commodore' needs to be that alternative choice between an expensive gaming PC and cheap console, for a mid-point price. but the days of world beating custom chips made by 3 guys in a garage are over so it's never going to happen.
Actually the point about these sorts of system isn't world beating performance but as a small system that fits into your current lifestyle without requiring masses of room - computers that aren't intrusive. Asus make an absolute killing on these sorts of systems, Apple have practically built themselves on precisely this model.
Your definition of what constitutes a "new Commodore" is solely yours.
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The only review of the Asus screenless laptop (aka "Commodore" USA Invicta) said it's too slow for 720 p. There's no more reviews, either the people that buy these things don't write reviews or they don't sell very well.
Most people I've seen with a computer hooked up to their TV tend to do it with a small tower and bluetooth controls, it's a similar effect except the bluetooth key board doesn't require a power cord whilst these screenless laptops do... That option offers far more power at a lower price and better cooling.
I was under the impression that like the VIA chipset that comes with the Nano, the ION chipset offered hardware decoding for various codecs precisely so that the Atom would only be shuffling the data rather than doing the grunt work (assuming you have the drivers).
Actually the point about these sorts of system isn't world beating performance but as a small system that fits into your current lifestyle without requiring masses of room - computers that aren't intrusive. Asus make an absolute killing on these sorts of systems, Apple have practically built themselves on precisely this model.
Your definition of what constitutes a "new Commodore" is solely yours.
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The only review of the Asus screenless laptop (aka "Commodore" USA Invicta)
The "Commodore" unit is not the Asus unit. Link to the correct machine is in the thread, and it has slightly different specs.
edit: hey, you posted the link, you should know that already.
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The only review of the Asus screenless laptop (aka "Commodore" USA Invicta) said it's too slow for 720 p. There's no more reviews, either the people that buy these things don't write reviews or they don't sell very well.
Earlier in this thread the fella who was trying to big this up claimed it was fitted with an ION chipset, if it is, it would be substantially more capable than the GMA500 that's fitted to the eeepad and the vast majority of netbooks.
Most people I've seen with a computer hooked up to their TV tend to do it with a small tower and bluetooth controls, it's a similar effect except the bluetooth key board doesn't require a power cord whilst these screenless laptops do... That option offers far more power at a lower price and better cooling.
The eeepad was equipped with a battery apparently good for 3+hrs. And yes whilst the form factor isn't ideal (I'd go so far to say it's trying to do too much and failing to do much) it is more in line with the current line of "lifestyle" PCs than a big box in the room.
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Sorry I mixed the machines up in my last post. It's 7:30 on a monday morning, off to work I go....
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...and GIZMODO.COM.AU (http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2010/06/commodore-tries-its-hand-at-an-eee-keyboard-like-device/) talks about this new AMIGA/Keyboard referring to this thread (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=52985&page=6) on AMIGA.ORG! :)
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...and GIZMODO.COM.AU (http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2010/06/commodore-tries-its-hand-at-an-eee-keyboard-like-device/) talks about this new AMIGA/Keyboard referring to this thread (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=52985&page=6) on AMIGA.ORG! :)
Did I get a mention ?
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I am sure I am going to regret this.
Your right this just keeps getting better.
Looks like commodore usa's 5 point plan for success is failing.
1) Copy your marketing and website from apple almost word for word.
Yeah...that was rather unfortunate. I've been nagging for him to change that for ages.
He says it was meant as a template and he never got around to changing it.
Still, I would hardly call it a criminal offense.
2) Imply your creating a new computer when all your doing is slapping a sticker on a cybernet zpc that says commodore, even when you have no rights to do so.
We've been over this several times, and if you don't like the answer there is no use whining over and over. So many well known brands do this re-branding thing with their appliances and devices. Get over it.
As to the bit about the rights. What would you know? You don't know he doesn't have the rights to do so. Perhaps you don't come from a country that believes in innocent until proven guilty.
I am satisfied that there is a negotiation going on. I don't have any idea if it will be successful. That's the nature of negotiations.
3) Imply your creating another new commodore computer when your just taking another off the shelf computer and slapping your fake commodore stickers on them.
I don't think they're fake stickers by the way. Not that I've seen one yet.
Maybe, I'll be able to scoop that too, when my Phoenix arrives.
As to their legality, I'm confident that there is an arrangement.
You can doubt, but you are still making an accusation that is not based on any evidence.
4) Send your monkeys to post in commodore and amiga sites hoping to
make a buck with your scam.
He didn't effing ask me to do this. He had no idea. I posted here of my own accord.
I saw a new computer on the CommodoreUSA site and thought it would be worth sharing.
Later, when I wanted some more details I shot him an e-mail.
I've been a member here since 2004, and I had a scoop to share.
I object to being called a monkey. That was uncalled for.
It's about as baseless as me calling you one of Hyperion's monkeys for getting on Commodore's case.
You're so eager to see conspiracy theories where there are none.
As to making a buck.... I really don't see how.... but if I did something worth money I'd expect to be paid I guess. Although quite frankly, I just want a Commodore company to finally break away and succeed again. Must I apologise for being a fanboy now?
5) Start lying about buying the rights or negociating for the rights to the commodore name after you get caught red handed using the name without the legal rights to do so.
Huh? I don't even see what he could possibly gain by lying....
And the red handed stuff....from who? If you're talking about that Commodore Gaming kerfuffle. I already explained it. I wouldn't take anything you read in these gadget sites seriously. They're not real journalists and they're just trying to generate page hits.
Whats ausieben the huge fan of this jackoff got to say now?
Steven
I dunno....what can I say?
I'm unimpressed with your analysis?
You're obviously trying to get a rise from me?
What do you want me to do?
Stoop to your level of name calling?
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You're obviously trying to get a rise from me?
What do you mean, trying? I'd say he got one hell of a bite ;)
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What do you want me to do?
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@the_leander
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It'll heal.
Thanks for my new desktop wallpaper. ;-)
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You're welcome :)
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If anyone is interested I am starting a company called Commodore UK. I ill be selling these uber cool smartphones. They really are the next big thing. They look rather suspect and might actually be Nokia N900 with a hand-drawn commodore UK label and the Nokia name scrapped off. It will be the worlds first commodore smart-phone.
To garner interest I selling these cool T-shirts and vouchers for £50 that will give you a discount when the phone is released.
Who interested ?
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@JJ
Don't forget to put some Atari-logos and doubios claims of TOS-compability somewhere on the page (which text you will have nicked somewhere from microsoft.com).
Perfect !
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@ Kronos :)
Well the N900,sorry I mean the C900, does have Amiga, Commodore, Genesis, Snes to name but a few emulators. So maybe I could claim its all of them and set-up different companies to sell them. Maybe no one will notice and if they do can claim in negotiations to abtain licence.
Maybe could rip of a few websites in process and even have a depiction of mohamed on there.
Some people will be bound to believe any cock and bull story I tell them when questioned
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If anyone is interested I am starting a company called Commodore UK. I ill be selling these uber cool smartphones. They really are the next big thing. They look rather suspect and might actually be Nokia N900 with a hand-drawn commodore UK label and the Nokia name scrapped off. It will be the worlds first commodore smart-phone.
To garner interest I selling these cool T-shirts and vouchers for £50 that will give you a discount when the phone is released.
Who interested ?
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1000 Internets to you sir for possibly the most topical laugh of the month!
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Why thank you kind sir :)
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The only review of the Asus screenless laptop (aka "Commodore" USA Invicta) said it's too slow for 720 p. There's no more reviews, either the people that buy these things don't write reviews or they don't sell very well.
Kinda hard to believe it is too slow for 720p considering that I have found that the typical netbook (using the right software) is fast enough for 720p. Then again whoever reviewed it was probably trying to watch the video under Windows and using some crappy hog of a video player.
As far as the whole Commodore name goes, for me a Commodore is a C64 or a C128 (maybe a VIC-20 or a Pet). An Amiga was an Amiga even though it happened to be a Commodore product just like an Apple is an Apple 1, 2, or 3. the Lisa was a Lisa and a Macintosh is a Mac. Unlike many Amiga people, I never much cared for the C64 (or 128) so the Commodore brand has little nostalgia value for me.
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Kinda hard to believe it is too slow for 720p considering that I have found that the typical netbook (using the right software) is fast enough for 720p. Then again whoever reviewed it was probably trying to watch the video under Windows and using some crappy hog of a video player.
As far as the whole Commodore name goes, for me a Commodore is a C64 or a C128 (maybe a VIC-20 or a Pet). An Amiga was an Amiga even though it happened to be a Commodore product just like an Apple is an Apple 1, 2, or 3. the Lisa was a Lisa and a Macintosh is a Mac. Unlike many Amiga people, I never much cared for the C64 (or 128) so the Commodore brand has little nostalgia value for me.
I have to agree with you. Always thought the commodore 64 was over hyped. There were better 8 bits around , like the Amstrads.
I went from Amstrad to Amiga
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I have to agree with you. Always thought the commodore 64 was over hyped. There were better 8 bits around , like the Amstrads.
I went from Amstrad to Amiga
Shirley you cant be serious?
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Cause, surfing the net on a phone is the most comfortable, versatile thing ever! Totally streamlined. Do you write most of your hamfisted replies from your phone?
This is supposed to be a computer, not a home theater experience. Watching high res videos is best left to gigantic TVs and home theater equipment.
It isn't like back in the 80s, the C64 or even the Amiga provided you with a home theater experience that outdid your hifi and whatnot either. Unless you had a killer way to play your vinyls on the Amiga, and put a video tape in one.
So why is it crucial that a throwback model does this?
And that is where you haven't left the 80s. PCs no longer cost a fortune, and consoles provide better looking games and usability at a fraction of the cost. Durp? you buy both and stop trying to cram 234923049234 functions into one machine that will end up overheating, being obsolete in 2 years, or breaking when you spill something on it.
computer games weren't cheaper either. some were maybe, but they usually sucked.
also, wrong about what? I said two sentences and you didn't address one. You hardly addressed the other.
Consoles cost the same, and technology gets better so do their games. The same GPUs sold to PC users power the 360/PS3. And as PCs have had games software available since the time of the PET/Vic-20 asking a PC to keep up with a teeny itsy bitsy little 125 bucks console for less than 1k PC tower isn't unrealistic.
You said ... "No. I don't think he did, as it wasn't mentioned in his post. Having an online "arcade" does not mean its competing with a 360 or PS3.
This is a computer, not a video game console."
And this was the reply "He was asked to describe next 'true Commodore' and detailed a machine with lntel Atom CPU which can't even play 720p video files, let alone 1080p 360/PS3 games. I can surf the net on my phone ditto for email/facebook/twitter/youtube/buy crap off ebay.
People play games and watch HD content on 360 for far less....."
Nothing about a throwback to anything which you made up, it's was about a spiritual successor to the Amiga. The whole point was that a spiritual successor to the Amiga today would have to do everything the best consoles do (ie not PS2 looking Wii games) as well as the top end i7 CPU equipped PC. So just like the A500 did in 1987 compared to £200+ Sega console on import and £1000+ for a PC-AT towards 1990. As the original post I was replying to was detailing another member's personal description of a spiritual successor to the Amiga using some rubbish Intel Atom and lame graphics card like a netbook I said this was not suitable.
1. The fact that even a mobile phone can be used to talk on msn/post on facebook/watch youtube/bid on ebay was to show a computer like an Atom based solution being able to do only that, and nothing else, in 2010 is pretty redundant as a next generation anything. I didn't imply anything beyond the fact that a mobile phone has enough CPU power to do all these things you are limited to doing on an Atom based machine. You made a lame attempt to imply I said that (and failed).
2. Did people watch streaming movies/TV shows via their NES/Genesis or PC-XT/AT then in your imagination? Nope so why ask if the Amiga did? Again you were trolling. All people did was play games on consoles and do office work on PCs so all the Amiga had to do in the 80s/90s was play similar games and run similar office software as PCs for less. As a PS3 and 360 both happily play 1080p video and you can't buy non HD TVs anymore I expect it from a 'new Amiga' successor too, naturally, as high end PCs easily playback 1080p too.
3. I also said any new spiritual successor to the Amiga would have to do everything for only 2.5 the cost of a powerful console like a 360. Amiga did everything a PC/Genesis did for 2.5 times the cost of a Sega Genesis/Megadrive even 4 years after the A1000 launched years before the Genesis. Show me a PC for 2.5x cost of the cheapest 360 that can play Alan Wake in 1920x1080x60fps in DX10 even today 4 years after 360s launch date then?
PS Maybe you should email Apple and Youtube and tell them HD is a waste of time, seeing as 360s can't access that content, and they should save themselves a fortune in bandwidth costs by only hosting 360p and 480p videos as PC users aren't interested in HD? It's clear to see the difference between SD and HD quality video on your average 20" monitor/17" notebook screen.
4. You said PCs are not expensive today. Expensive compared to what? Being a bit more intelligent, and comparing like for like, a PC capable of playing PS3/360 quality games will require the following.....
- A graphics card costing somewhere between the cost of a new PS3 and 360.
- A Quad Core or low end i7 CPU costing as much as a PS3.
still leaves motherboard, memory, hard disk, case, PSU, Blu-Ray or DVD drive, copy of Windows etc. Did you fail Maths at school then? Because to me it looks like a PC of similar capability to a 360 is at least 5x as much...same as in 1989/1990 with a 286 vs Genesis console then.
5. There are no overheating issues with the latest high-end ATI/Nvidia cards or the Intel Quad Core Extreme or i7 CPUs. So your claim an all-in-one PC solution overheating is based on what exactly? Cost is the only issue with choosing to not buy a PS3/360 for HD gaming.
6. Console games and PC strategy games were far more expensive than Amiga disk games in the 80s here. NES/Genesis games cost 40-50 bucks and PC games cost the same. Amiga games were 20-25 bucks. Do some research next time.
End of the day there is no excuse, 360 uses Microsoft code running on a PowerPC CPU with a standard ATI GPU from half a decade ago to display games in a quality that costs 4-5x more in PC hardware. And the basic things people do with computers you can still do with an old Pentium III laptop or an iPhone. If there was a spiritual successor to the Amiga it should be 2.5x cost of a 360 and do all these things. There isn't which was the whole point.
So no, there is a difference to how it was, today you can get a console or get a PC costing 5x as much to play the games in the same quality. Your alternative choice is non existent.
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Perhaps my earlier post was a bit harsh... But I just don't see why anyone would want to support someone who copied their whole website from apple word for word, and then imply they are creating new computers
when they are obviously just putting a "sticker" on it that says commodore.
Call it what you will, a brand logo, a sticker, it is essentially just putting a sticker on an existing product. No where on the site does it say he is just "partnering" with cybernet and rebranding the computer. The site implys at least they are new products created by this shell of a company. I don't believe its a company at all, one guy copying apples website, and illegally using a brand name doesn't make a company. For the record, it is illegal to use a brand name you don't have legal rights to to sell any product. It is illegal to brand a product with a trademark or logo you don't have legal rights to. This is not simply my opinion, its a fact, ask any lawyer.
Yes other companies rebrand things, but they don't try to pass this rebranding off as recreating a classic computer or try to use a beloved old computer brand to make a buck, which is certainly what this person is attempting.
If you want to pay a couple hundred bucks extra buying one of these products from this guy just because he slaps a commodore sticker on it, fine, but I don't see many people willing to do that.
This whole thing just screams "scam" but perhaps thats just my opinion.
I know one thing for sure...You can get a "phoenix" direct from cybernet for a lot less money. You can print your own vinyl commodore stickers if you want to slap on on and pretend its a new commodore computer...
One thing I'm sure of... If this joker running this "company" really had good intentions he would not have started off by plagerizing his website from apple, or lying about having the rights to the name, then changing his story to "negociating for the rights now". Its ridiculous.
Steven
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End of the day there is no excuse, 360 uses Microsoft code running on a PowerPC CPU with a standard ATI GPU from half a decade ago to display games in a quality that costs 4-5x more in PC hardware.
Citation needed.
And the basic things people do with computers you can still do with an old Pentium III laptop or an iPhone.
Depends on what those "basic things" are. I for one wouldn't fancy trying to type a novel on an iPhone, for instance.
If there was a spiritual successor to the Amiga it should be 2.5x cost of a 360 and do all these things.
According to you. As I said previously: Your definition of what constitutes a "new Commodore" is solely yours.
So no, there is a difference to how it was, today you can get a console or get a PC costing 5x as much to play the games in the same quality. Your alternative choice is non existent.
Citation needed.
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You said ... "No. I don't think he did, as it wasn't mentioned in his post. Having an online "arcade" does not mean its competing with a 360 or PS3.
My intention with the "on-line" arcade was to provide a legal means to stable emulation for the new platform. The idea was to create a similar ecosystem for C64 emulation to Microsoft and Nintendo's legacy software support on their modern consoles.
And this was the reply "He was asked to describe next 'true Commodore' and detailed a machine with lntel Atom CPU which can't even play 720p video files, let alone 1080p 360/PS3 games.
This assumes that the CPU is the only processor in the system, which would not have to be the case. You seem to have a chip on your shoulder about the Atom. The Atom is to the i7 what a 6510 is to a 80286. It's not the most powerful processor on the market, and no one is arguing that it is. It's inexpensive, and it's powerful enough to stand as the base for a modern C64, especially when you divorce it from Windows. (Haiku, for instance, runs amazingly well on a PIII with 256 MB...I'm sure it's quite snappy on an Atom.)
As the original post I was replying to was detailing another member's personal description of a spiritual successor to the Amiga using some rubbish Intel Atom and lame graphics card like a netbook I said this was not suitable.
If you're talking about me, I was attempting to roughly outline a spiritual successor to the Commodore 64, which is a completely different beast from the Amiga.
You appear to be attempting to outline a far more powerful computer than I ever intended to. The C64 was never the fastest or the most powerful computer of its time, and did well despite that lack of power.
My thoughts were that the Commodore traditionally sat in their strange place that was somewhere between a computer and a console, and it would be interesting to try and find that niche again.
This is all idle fantasy, anyway. It's fun to think about, but ultimately it's just an amusing pipe dream.
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@Amiga_Nut
Not arguing about anything in particular... way too much to sift through in your post at this time in the morning.
About an Amiga successor. Out of interest.....
Is an Amiga successor more about having an Amiga OS experience, or is it about playing the most technologically advanced games? Or is it both? Or is it actually none of these?
And depending on your answer, is what you are wanting more like an AmigaOne X1000 or more like a Commodore Phoenix? I use these two as an example because obviously they are remnants of the famous brands that led to the discussion in this thread. It is why we are here discussing this. This is an honest question. I am not saying this to flame...
If it is about having an Amiga OS experience....then yes, you might be interested in the AmigaOne to run AmigaOS4. Or you could track down an old Apple box for MorphOS.
Then again, nothing is stopping you from running AROS, with ROMS for classic software compatibility if you like, on any PC, and all of these Commodore machines are likely to have native AROS hardware support as well. I've got a 2.9Ghz Phoenix on the way to my door which I am sure will make a ripper AROS box, and you can't tell me an Invictus isn't a more compelling choice than a SAM (and arguably even an X1000 for that matter).
If it is purely about playing the latest console like games, then your best bet is to run a Windows game on PC hardware. The Commodore Phoenix is no killer game machine unfortunately, but I'm pretty sure it is capable of running a recent FPS through Windows at a fairly playable frame-rate. And you would need to run Windows because there is bugger all chance of any popular console-like games ever being ported to Linux let alone an Amiga&alike OS anyway. Further to that, the Invictus with its Nvidia ION chipset will also be a pretty decent games machine for the casual gamer.
If it is both, then if you were to load a fully native AROS on your PC....and then could easily boot into Windows to play the latest console like games, which are typically first person shooters... is this not more in line with the Amiga spirit? Is this not a more versatile experience?
So at the end of the day, exercising some pragmatism, what seems the better option?
I'd love to have an X1000 but I am fairly certain my Commodore Phoenix will have cost me around half their asking price, and actually provided me with a superior computing, and more importantly, Amiga like, experience from a brand I grew up with and love. You don't need a Commodore to do this of course, but I still think it is nice. I don't think I am wrong in thinking that. It's all a matter of taste anyway.
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If you are a gamer none of the wanna-be Commodore USA products would be of any interest. They live in a world of gigabyte plus video cards and i7s at this point. To be fair they would also turn up their noses at my Mac Pro too. Gamers can't be the target audience of the screenless laptops.
What I imagine is a some kids who ask their parents for computers will end up stuck with them because their parents will see the commodore name and not do the maths on price/performance.
Is that what Berry is counting on? These things haven't exactly flown off the shelves under their original brand names, it's hard to see a real use for them in 2010...
Is Berry going after the other Asus products? Are we going to see a "Commodore" CccPad based on the EeePad or "Commodore" Revo?
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If you are a gamer none of the wanna-be Commodore USA products would be of any interest.
You're absolutely right about the gamer bit. This isn't pitched at hardcore gamers anyway. No-one would expect a computer in a keyboard to do that would they.
Cybernet sold to businesses and the rest are fairly new products so saying they haven't flown off shelves is....I dunno....warrantless speculation.
I don't know what Barry's future plans are. I think computer keyboards and Commodore go together and are a sufficient niche.
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Consoles cost the same, and technology gets better so do their games. The same GPUs sold to PC users power the 360/PS3
You can't buy the PS3's GPU and stick it in a computer. Nice try though, doofy.
You said ... "No. I don't think he did, as it wasn't mentioned in his post. Having an online "arcade" does not mean its competing with a 360 or PS3.
This is a computer, not a video game console."
And this was the reply "He was asked to describe next 'true Commodore' and detailed a machine with lntel Atom CPU which can't even play 720p video files, let alone 1080p 360/PS3 games. I can surf the net on my phone ditto for email/facebook/twitter/youtube/buy crap off ebay.
People play games and watch HD content on 360 for far less....."
Yes, I sure did say that. And your reply still fails to accomplish anything. You ever browse the net on a 360? Who the hell cares about HD content being watched. Srsly. Is that all you can talk about is HD content?
You realize you have quoted me talking about the online arcade and you fail to actually talk about that in your hamfisted replies? Thus, the fail button was hit in full force! :roflmao:
Nothing about a throwback to anything which you made up, it's was about a spiritual successor to the Amiga. The whole point was that a spiritual successor to the Amiga today would...
Anything trying to recreate the days of old is a throwback, flid. Lrn2English. Sorry you think the solution is an OMGPOWERHOUSE. If it's a little laptoppy device, I wouldn't want that much hardware sitting over my crotch anyways. Too hot. Not comfortable. I don't like swampcrotch while I am computering.
I didn't imply anything beyond the fact that a mobile phone has enough CPU power to do all these things you are limited to doing on an Atom based machine. You made a lame attempt to imply I said that (and failed).
So what you mean then is all netbooks should be sold off and people should just get mobile phones to putz around on the internet. They're more cutting edge, amirite?
I didn't attempt to imply anything. You just don't know how to read. I like how you create implications from a two sentence comment. Quaaludes much, maaaan?
I think you just make such wacked out comments and replies that you don't even know what you are trying to say anymore.
2. Did people watch streaming movies/TV shows via their NES/Genesis or PC-XT/AT then in your imagination?
Imagination? Christ, learn how to process a far fetched example made to point out how stupid something you say is. It's interweb debating 101, guy.
Nope so why ask if the Amiga did? Again you were trolling. All people did was play games on consoles and do office work on PCs so all the Amiga had to do in the 80s/90s was play similar games and run similar office software as PCs for less. As a PS3 and 360 both happily play 1080p video and you can't buy non HD TVs anymore I expect it from a 'new Amiga' successor too, naturally, as high end PCs easily playback 1080p too.
Not trolling. Trolling would mean I am the only one pointing out that you are mental. I am just pointing out that your requirements are dumb. You keep flailing around talking about HD content when that isn't even the ultimate point to any of this. Also, you should stop bringing video game consoles in to a computer debate, as nowadays the comparison is not so simple.
Many computing-folk don't give a flying damn about 3D games and are more concerned with what they can do productivity wise. You DO know the Amiga had tons of productivity stuff right? Music, Video, Art. Stuff you can't do on your rofl360. You're looking at this all wrong.
Amiga did everything a PC/Genesis did for 2.5 times the cost of a Sega Genesis/Megadrive even 4 years after the A1000 launched years before the Genesis. Show me a PC for 2.5x cost of the cheapest 360 that can play Alan Wake in 1920x1080x60fps in DX10 even today 4 years after 360s launch date then?
Amiga didn't have FM music, stock multi button controllers, a good port of Street Fighter, etc. etc.
What is with the 2.5x cost thing. You're arguing that something cost more to do the same thing as something cheaper and I am not sure what the point of that is.
But, the 360 has some slow-down issues in extreme 3D games. Texture pop-in, and other things. So it isn't like the thing is an epic gaming machine.
But again this argument is stupid. The 360 is specialized mass produced hardware built to do specific things, hence the cost being so low. It also has a cheap-as-hell, tiny as shit hard drive that basically stores save game data and music. You should learn how to make intelligent comparisons my man.
It's clear to see the difference between SD and HD quality video on your average 20" monitor/17" notebook screen.
I don't give two shits about HD, and neither do alot of people. Notepad++ doesn't look any crisper in HD, and neither does the command line, or visual studio. HD is meaningless for normal computing. How high-def do you need your fonts to be?
and for videos, yeah, whatever, it looks nicer. You don't remember how much nicer it looked later. You just remember what it was you watched. You watch a VHS and then you watch a DVD of the same thing, you won't remember the stunning quality increase 5 hours later. It's superficial. It always has been, and always will be.
besides if I want to watch HD videos, I'll watch them on my 72" tv. Not my dopey little monitor.
4. You said PCs are not expensive today.
They're not expensive today. Especially compared to how much they used to cost. So you can take your "being a bit more intelligent" comment, and shove it. Get a clue while you are at it.
over compensating hardware listing.
It is clear you haven't actually TRIED any of this, as this machine I have sitting in front of me:
AMD dual core 4800+ (overclocked)
2GB RAM
6800GS x2 SLI'd
the rest of the important stuff.
can play PS3 quality games. It runs Oblivion on full settings. That's a PS3/360 game. It plays Tomb Raider Legend and Anniversary on full settings, and again that is a PS3 / 360 game.
shall I continue, or are you done being a moron?
The machine was built like 5 years ago, and cost nothing. The video cards were 65$ each. 6800GS's running SLI, pulls some insane nonsense off. I was pulling 60 FPS in Vanguard Saga of Heroes at launch. That was nearly unheard of.
You realize the 360 and PS3 are OLD now. They are a fraction of their launch price. Likewise, comparable OLD hardware can be bought at a fraction of their launch price. Good Job.
Did you fail Maths at school then?
Nah, I have a degree in math. That was cute though. Kind of like that other time you made a similar insulting line of comments and I shoved it down your throat so hard you never replied to it, probably out of shame. Keep the arrogant/ignorant twiddle twaddle to yourself.
Because to me it looks like a PC of similar capability to a 360 is at least 5x as much...same as in 1989/1990 with a 286 vs Genesis console then.
Yeah, it looks like that to you since you're too daft to realize you can get 5-6 year old hardware for pennies, and have it outperform a 360/PS3.
Do you understand this concept? Do you see how dumb it is to compare todays hardware to 5+ years ago's standards?
Let me assist you. This concept has been around for ages. Before my time even:
(http://maryspletzer.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/bobdylantimesarechangin1.jpg)
see?
5. There are no overheating issues with the latest high-end ATI/Nvidia cards or the Intel Quad Core Extreme or i7 CPUs. So your claim an all-in-one PC solution overheating is based on what exactly? Cost is the only issue with choosing to not buy a PS3/360 for HD gaming.
You cram enough crap into a tiny box, it will over heat. There are no overheating issues with new cards and CPUs in properly installed machines with adequate ventilation. Your mileage may vary if you jam it into a little wedgeboard. Have you ever built a computer? The new gear still GENERATES heat. It isn't designed to function well when jammed into a dinky space, crowded in there with the rest of the components.
6. Console games and PC strategy games were far more expensive than Amiga disk games in the 80s here. NES/Genesis games cost 40-50 bucks and PC games cost the same. Amiga games were 20-25 bucks. Do some research next time.
I did do research. I have an Amiga game with a 70$ price sticker still on the box. and a PC one. Durrrr. Shadow of the Beast was 34.99 GBP at launch right? That's comparable to the Genesis version's price. From late 80s conversion rate standards.
The bargain bin games don't count. Action 52 much?
So no, there is a difference to how it was, today you can get a console or get a PC costing 5x as much to play the games in the same quality. Your alternative choice is non existent.
blah blah blah. Until you have done accurate side by side comparisons of quality, you are just talking out of your ass.
2.5x the cost of the 360 at launch, or the cost of it now? I can get one for <100$ right now. You should think your durpalurp comments through before you hit the post button, and forever commit to looking like a dingus.
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I have noticied a important update from commodore USA to amiga section! Will be revealed in a month.. new Amiga compatible? or new amiga complete package? we'll know soon :)
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@DaNi
Huh? What are you talking about?
You mean the Amigo right?
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@DaNi
Huh? What are you talking about?
You mean the Amigo right?
No, amigo is a "pc" and all rest of models too. In 15 days commodoreusa have a update the site with this new surprise. Wait or write to commodoreusa for more info about this :)
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Really?? Where did you see that information?
(edit: You're pulling my leg aren't you...)
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I don't think "Commodore USA" is representing it's computers as anything but PCs, so I'm not sure what DaNi is talking about.
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I don't think "Commodore USA" is representing it's computers as anything but PCs, so I'm not sure what DaNi is talking about.
Yes, the 3 machines launched by commodore usa are Pc´s, you only wait for the next update webpage at http://www.commodoreusa.net/
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..are they going to rebrand a MacMini or eMac and supply it with an evaluation copy of MorphOS!!?! Or even better, an Efika?! TO THE FUTURE!
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TO THE FUTURE!
(http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/mnerik/doc20-20back20to20the20future.jpg)
GREAT SCOTT.
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I give you a clue only read the last line
http://www.commodoreusa.net/profile.html
And it comes before 18 of June 2010 :)
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Another silly website game? No thanks.
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I give you a clue only read the last line
http://www.commodoreusa.net/profile.html
And it comes before 18 of June 2010 :)
From the site:
a revolutionary series of extremely low cost-low power keyboard computers, netbooks, and tablets, all featuring a revolutionary "computer-on-a-chip" design, consuming less than five watts of power.
Right, so he's going to have a range based on the Pine Trail model Atom. A bit like the Asus EeePC 1005PE (http://www.reghardware.com/2010/02/08/review_netbook_asus_eee_1005pe/), which was released earlier this year along with just about every other manufacturers N450/N470 based netbooks.
And whilst Pine Trail makes sense for a netbook, it makes less sense when you factor in the ION chipset. Anything based on Pine Trail will have in effect two GPU's onboard and a lot of other doubling up of components and little to no advantage over the previous generation in terms of power usage, or a severe loss of performance verses ION. The onboard GPU is based on the venerable (read naff) GMA500.
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"Commodore" X1000 and "Commodore" SAMs??????? "Commodore" OLPC? "Commodore" iPad? "Commodore" iPhone?
Amiga USA (http://www.amigausa.com)
Please Note: Because of an unusually high call volume we have received, we do not list a telephone number on this website. If you need to contact us by phone, please e-mail us first with your name, company name (if applicable), and information about your inquiry with a phone number we can call to reach you and we will contact you as soon as possible. Thank you for your interest in AMIGA products.
I give you a clue only read the last line
http://www.commodoreusa.net/profile.html
And it comes before 18 of June 2010 :)
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Dumbest, thread, ever.
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Amiga USA (http://www.amigausa.com)
Why do I think "wrecked DeLorian" ??
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"commodore" x1000 and "commodore" sams??????? "commodore" olpc? "commodore" ipad? "commodore" iphone?
amiga usa (http://www.amigausa.com)
please note: Because of an unusually high call volume we have received, we do not list a telephone number on this website. If you need to contact us by phone, please e-mail us first with your name, company name (if applicable), and information about your inquiry with a phone number we can call to reach you and we will contact you as soon as possible. Thank you for your interest in amiga products.
what the hell is that website??
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what the hell is that website??
I can tell you what it isn't: Properly tested against different browsers.
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You know you can reproduce the C= logo for personal use for free and plaster it all over your Asus keyboard...
...or anything else you want.
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You know you can reproduce the C= logo for personal use for free and plaster it all over your Asus keyboard...
...or anything else you want.
That is so asking for a Rule34 post...
Hell it might even be worth the resulting ban :afro:
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I plead ignorance.
It's none of my business if people love C= so much they want the logo up close and personal. ;o)
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It's gotten so I don't even cover my mouth when I yawn at this thread...
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It's gotten so I don't even cover my mouth when I yawn at this thread...
That makes you something of a fool if after deciding previously that you didn't like the contents you still keep reading.
Kinda like the morons who complain about TV programs instead of changing the channel.
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Relax dude, I looked under your bonnet and found a very large bee. Now, if we can just get the twist out of you knickers...
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Relax dude, I looked under your bonnet and found a very large bee. Now, if we can just get the twist out of you knickers...
At 4:41AM I reserve the right to be a grumpy old man. :cool:
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Go to bed spotty!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfjB3slAZBQ
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Go to bed spotty!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfjB3slAZBQ
Absolutely loved The Young Ones, and Bottom.
Bottom Series 3, Episode 6 "Carnival" (http://video.msn.com/video.aspx?mkt=en-gb&vid=734c331e-4fa1-44e2-9e45-aa6f70f44458) Is possibly my fave episode, or at least the first half of it. Warning: NSFW
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I have to agree with you, carnival is a brilliant epsiode
I also think apocolypse is a brillaint one.
The one where they go the fairground and richie gets a curse put on him and told he has three days to live and then eddie pretends to be death. And he is all falling over all the time and leaning on the top of doors cause he is on stilts. Classic.
Did you ever see the series in between young ones and bottom. Flithie, rich and catflap. Only mad one series but its classic. Check it out if you not seen it
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I think my fave complete episode was the one where they're trapped on the ferris wheel for the whole episode.
Best line ever in it imho:
Richie: Yeah, lets tempt fate, cheat death!
Eddie: Now is probably not a good time to pi$$ fate off.
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I think my fave complete episode was the one where they're trapped on the ferris wheel for the whole episode.
Best line ever in it imho:
Richie: Yeah, lets tempt fate, cheat death!
Eddie: Now is probably not a good time to pi$$ fate off.
I like the list of stuff that is in his emergency pint in that episode.
My fav epsiode changes, but at the moment would say its the one where they go camping
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Core i3 laptop (http://www.compusa.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5590436&CatId=4938)
US$549, same brand as "Commodore" USA (Asus), but not screenless and a more modern processor...
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Core i3 laptop (http://www.compusa.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5590436&CatId=4938)
US$549, same brand as "Commodore" USA (Asus), but not screenless and a more modern processor...
That's an Acer laptop.
Also, as has been pointed out (repeatedly now), whilst the Invictus is almost identical to an Asus Eeeboard, it differs substantially in specification. I genuinely don't think Asus made them, though chances are the factories that did were probably only down the road in one of the many cheap knock-off plants that litter china.
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I just found out that the touch screen, apart from providing media player options, can be used as a second display screen or mirror parts of the primary screen. You could also use the stylus to paint in a paint program or even sign things if the mood takes you. I am pretty sure you can use it for gestures as well. That all sounds cool to me.
This is not a cut price Commodore for kiddies and it is not a gaming powerhouse. This is a niche item for grown-ups who grew up with Commodore, which you will need to pay a premium for. It might not be for you specifically, but I found it appealing and I know others do/will too, regardless of whether *you* think that is nuts or not.
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I found it appealing and I know others do/will too, regardless of whether *you* think that is nuts or not.
People like Britney Spears music too, there's no accounting for some folks tastes.
And again, if this goes south, you are going to make for a delicious patsy.
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This is not a cut price Commodore for kiddies and it is not a gaming powerhouse. This is a niche item for grown-ups who grew up with Commodore, which you will need to pay a premium for.
No...I really won't...
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I just found out that the touch screen, apart from providing media player options, can be used as a second display screen or mirror parts of the primary screen. You could also use the stylus to paint in a paint program or even sign things if the mood takes you. I am pretty sure you can use it for gestures as well. That all sounds cool to me.
This is not a cut price Commodore for kiddies and it is not a gaming powerhouse. This is a niche item for grown-ups who grew up with Commodore, which you will need to pay a premium for. It might not be for you specifically, but I found it appealing and I know others do/will too, regardless of whether *you* think that is nuts or not.
If I had any real use and interest in such a system (which I don't ;) ) I would try to hunt them down from ANY OTHER source then commodoreusa. Just no point in dealing with companies that are build 100% from lies, decipt and other companies unlicenced IP......
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Eeeerrrr... It looks nice but I´m left handed. What should I do with the small screen?
(no bonus) :-D
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@the_leander
Part of the problem with everything being made in China is that unless you are really big like Apple you can't really stop a chinese factory from selling the same stuff to another brand. Computer companies are more and more becoming the marketing arm of Chinese Factories.
Do you have any idea how many of these Asus sold? It's really difficult to visualise a situation where they would be better than a laptop or desktop. There is a reason these things died out a couple decades ago...
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Do you have any idea how many of these Asus sold?
Not many as they were delayed in their release up until very recently. But theirs is strictly an intel only piece of kit - the Invictus at least offers the ION chipset which means that it, unlike the eeepad, will be able to offer a 1080p video output.
It's really difficult to visualise a situation where they would be better than a laptop or desktop. There is a reason these things died out a couple decades ago...
Agreed. It's trying to be too many things, but has so many compromises that other, more specialised pieces of equipment have it beat hands down in any given situation.
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On commodore USA's main page, all but hidden by using grey text on a grey background...
"Commodore® is the trademark of Commodore Licensing, GV, registered in the U.S.
and other countries. Logo used with permission, pending licensing rights, and
used for illustrative purposes only."
No right whatsoever legally or morally to use the commodore name. Just another person trying to rape the commodore/amiga corpse.
Steven
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any news
(http://www.commodoreusa.net/i//ceBllQlSdokqE_2_1.jpg)
Now that's more like it!!!!!!
I don't have specs for you yet.
(watch this space)
Commodore USA (http://www.commodoreusa.net/i//ceBllQlSdokqE_2_1.jpg)
But it is probably the same specs as what it looks like. :-D
I can confirm that it is ATOM/nvidia based
INVICTUS is the latin word for "Invincible".
It comes in silver too. It also has a stylus.
I do not know if it features wireless wiBand HDMI. I'll see if I can find out. EDIT: It has it.
edit: It has the Nvidia ION chipset, which is a newer higher performance graphics chip set.
edit: It will have 5-5.5 hour battery life. The LCD screen does remain ON when external video is running.
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any news
I think that Commodore USA effectively died with Barry. I'm sure that there won't be any continuation once his family have finished settling the estate.
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I think that Commodore USA effectively died with Barry. I'm sure that there won't be any continuation once his family have finished settling the estate.
Which bizarrely makes the c64x collectible.
btw, why resurrect a three year old thread?
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Which bizarrely makes the c64x collectible.
I have some highly collectable fake Rolex watches if you're interested