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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga community support ideas => Topic started by: sonountaleban on February 28, 2014, 07:44:49 PM
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Hello,
I am an Amiga fan since '90s and it is the first time that I write here. So, I started to look Bitcoin world in these months and I thought that may be useful for Amiga community. Therefore I made a (Litecoin) clone called Amigacoin to support our lovely platform. You can read more here: www.amigacoin.org (http://www.amigacoin.org)
Sorry for crappy graphic, but I am only a programmer. (http://eab.abime.net/images/smilies/smile.gif)
There are executables and sources for Linux and Windows, very soon it will be available for Mac OS X and I also hope for Amiga in the future, but I think there are some difficult libraries to convert (Boost and Berkeley DB).
If someone wants some Amigacoins, write me privately. (http://eab.abime.net/images/smilies/smile.gif)
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does your amigacoin miner program work on amiga computers 68k or power pc cpus?
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Ehm, no, sorry, it's just the client (=wallet). Furthermore a miner for 68k will be too much slow, usually you need a powerful graphics card like Radeon HD or (if you don't have it) a very high spec. cpu (latest AMDs and Intel). Obviously you can use Pentium 4-like processors, but don't expect a lot of coins, especially when difficulty rises. Maybe I'll make an Amiga PPC version of wallet in the future.
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With Bitcoin itself currently in the middle of a collapse that handily illustrates why an unregulated virtual currency is a stupid idea, what need is there for yet another knockoff?
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Yes and no. It has some big problems (MtGox bankruptcy for example), maybe it might collapse as you say or not. The situation is still quite uncertain and we'll know better in the next weeks/months. However its price is stable since first weeks of this year yet.
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With Bitcoin itself currently in the middle of a collapse that handily illustrates why an unregulated virtual currency is a stupid idea, what need is there for yet another knockoff?
Which collapse ? MtGox is bankrupt, the rest of the exchanges are trading like normal.
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Would be cool to have an Amiga Coin listed :-)
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If it was made 68K only and mining adjusted for Amiga I would give it a go otherwise no thanks :/
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Ehm, sorry, it cannot be done by 68k processors because they're too much slow, maybe for PowerPC, but one Amiga Developer (Guillaume Boesel) has tried to convert it to Ubuntu PPC (for Amiga X1000) and it doesn't work properly. I think it needs to rewrite many parts. :/
As I wrote somewhere it may be a way to support our community (for example "paying" developers/artists/translators/testers) and advertise Amiga platform outside its "niche marketplace". :)
If it was made 68K only and mining adjusted for Amiga I would give it a go otherwise no thanks :/
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Bitcoin is a pyramid scheme.
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You're right if you want to do speculation and profit, it really depends how is used by us.
Bitcoin is a pyramid scheme.
PS. I'm not a Bitcoin fan, but I only think it has very useful technologies for certain contexts.
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Ehm, sorry, it cannot be done by 68k processors because they're too much slow, maybe for PowerPC, but one Amiga Developer (Guillaume Boesel) has tried to convert it to Ubuntu PPC (for Amiga X1000) and it doesn't work properly. I think it needs to rewrite many parts. :/
As I wrote somewhere it may be a way to support our community (for example "paying" developers/artists/translators/testers) and advertise Amiga platform outside its "niche marketplace". :)
I ment if the mining was totally rewritten to be made for 68K as in complexity fitting the hardware, I understand that as it works now it's way to complex for the 68K CPU's but making new mining system based on 68K and then 68K natively only (so not people could punch out extreme amounts of blocks mined on emulators etc) would be possible but a lot of work and then it would be interesting for me since only Amiga users would mine then.
I know it wouldent happen but if it was going to happen I would mine with my Amigas :)
Beside if it would work as mentioned above I am no fan of any of the crypto-currencies and wouldn't use any of them.
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Dear God, no more coin variants. Dogecoin was bad enough in regards to showing what something as neat as crypto currency could be when it turns into a novelty item. And I say that as someone who mined 50 BTC (and still mines LTC)in the early days of Bitcoin, lol.
That being said, if one was able to actually mine them on an Amiga-like system, it'd be a fun little experiment to see how things turned out, but commodity hardware mining is a bit meh with all these variants.
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If one wants to do coin mining on a 68K Amiga, the only practical way I can think of is to use one or more USB ASIC coin miners with a compatible USB Amiga card (Thylacine, Subway, Deneb). It's not 'cheating' to do this, as the coin mining software would be 68K code running on the machine, accessing the ASIC(s). It's the only practical way the Powerbook G4 I'm writing this on could mine coins, as a 1.67Ghz processor is also too slow for that sort of thing. This to my mind is the best path to take with 68K or PPC Amigas regarding virtual coin mining.
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So what makes Amigacoin different to all the other LTC clones? Does it bring something new to the table? I'm guessing not :(
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Is there any active pool?
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Yes, just one for now:
http://poolamigacoin.org:22113
Is there any active pool?
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Yes, I agree, but it works well only with Bitcoin currencies, not with Litecoin and derived (like Amigacoin), because they've different hashing algorithm.
If one wants to do coin mining on a 68K Amiga, the only practical way I can think of is to use one or more USB ASIC coin miners with a compatible USB Amiga card (Thylacine, Subway, Deneb). It's not 'cheating' to do this, as the coin mining software would be 68K code running on the machine, accessing the ASIC(s). It's the only practical way the Powerbook G4 I'm writing this on could mine coins, as a 1.67Ghz processor is also too slow for that sort of thing. This to my mind is the best path to take with 68K or PPC Amigas regarding virtual coin mining.
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If you had access to ASIC mining rigs you wouldn't be noodling around with a novelty crypto currency. Despite contrary beliefs, there's still good gains in BTC even with the investment in an ASIC miner.
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Bitcoin is a pyramid scheme.
Bitcoin price is determined by supply and demand, no fixed return is promised when you buy Bitcoin.
It's true that investment in Bitcoin is speculative ATM as price could drop heavily if for one reason or another demand for Bitcoin will fall.
Current fiat banking system is more of a pyramid scheme than Bitcoin. If enough people ask to convert their virtual money in the bank accounts to physical cash the system will come down crashing hard.
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Hello,
is there any artist who can remake all its assets? My images aren't good and professional.
Thanks.
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Which collapse ? MtGox is bankrupt, the rest of the exchanges are trading like normal.
Exchanges trading like normal?
From the BBC today:
Meanwhile another Bitcoin bank - Flexcoin - has announced that it too is going out of business, following a hack attack which saw 896 coins stolen. It is working with law enforcement to trace the source of the hack.
"As Flexcoin does not have the resources, assets, or otherwise to come back from this loss, we are closing our doors immediately," it said.
The European Banking Authority (EBA) is set to create a taskforce to advise on whether virtual currencies should be regulated.
The watchdog, which is due to be created before July, will analyse the risk to consumers of using virtual currencies such as bitcoins.
If this is normal then I'd say there's a problem. ;)
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Exchanges trading like normal?
Overview of exchanges trading USD for Bitcoin (https://bitcoincharts.com/markets/currency/USD.html). An upward trend can be seen after MtGox declared bankruptcy. Doesn't look like a doom scenario to me. Also the exagerated opinion of Max Keiser and Stacy Herbert (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdAnyC45ZbU) is nice to watch (continued here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUOg77luerw&index=171&list=PLPszygYHA9K2ZtV_1KphSugBB7iZqbFyz)).
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The fall of Mtgox really has nothing to do with value, imagined or real, in bitcoin at all. Mtgod is no more a universal entity tied to bitcoins than the Bank of America is to the US Dollar. A brokerage site, that's it.
Anyone foolish enough to store a wallet online deserves to lose their proverbial shirts. My bitcoins are stored on USB keys, with multiple backups in multiple places, one being a safety deposit box. Mtgox folding didn't affect me none :)
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The fall of Mtgox really has nothing to do with value, imagined or real, in bitcoin at all. Mtgod is no more a universal entity tied to bitcoins than the Bank of America is to the US Dollar. A brokerage site, that's it.
Anyone foolish enough to store a wallet online deserves to lose their proverbial shirts. My bitcoins are stored on USB keys, with multiple backups in multiple places, one being a safety deposit box. Mtgox folding didn't affect me none :)
This is the wild west moment for Bitcoin. As major entities (ie TBTF banks) get their claws into it and as government regulators descend, it'll become stable. Prime example is NASCAR racing, it has it's roots in moonshiners out running law enforcement. Now it's a multi billion dollar industry.
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Anyone foolish enough to store a wallet online deserves to lose their proverbial shirts. My bitcoins are stored on USB keys, with multiple backups in multiple places, one being a safety deposit box. Mtgox folding didn't affect me none :)
So the currency that depends on the Internet isn't safe on the Internet?
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Ones inability to understand how a crypto currency wallet works is on them. It's a pretty easy concept to wrap your head around if one was to look into it :) Only a fool would keep their investments in any currency in someone elses hands solely without some form of "physical" copy. In the world of crypto currency, your money does have a physical form in the form of your "wallet", which you can store on the media of your choosing. BTC isn't legal tender, but there's still best practices involved. I've got 25 BTC left out of the 50 I mined years ago, safe and sound because I wasn't dumb enough to hand them over to Mtgox - and when I sold the first 25, I did sell them via Mtgox, in fact. The rest are on multiple forms of physical media in multiple secure locations. If you're foolish enough to keep your cash in the glovebox of your car and leave the doors unlocked, you get what you deserve.
Storing your investment solely somewhere like Mtgox where you have absolutely zero recourse for reimbursement should the brokerage go belly up is just silly, and the people that watched 750,000 bitcoins effectively vanish when Mtgox pulled the plug are surely kicking their ass right now, esp when a $5 USB stick would have prevented the issue had they not put undue faith in Mtgox :)
At $640 a pop atm per bitcoin, a lot of people right now are wishing they'd never heard of Mtgox, lol.
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So the currency that depends on the Internet isn't safe on the Internet?
Sure, and even the street money (=cash) is not safe on the street !
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Ehm, no, sorry, it's just the client (=wallet). Furthermore a miner for 68k will be too much slow, usually you need a powerful graphics card like Radeon HD or (if you don't have it) a very high spec. cpu (latest AMDs and Intel). Obviously you can use Pentium 4-like processors, but don't expect a lot of coins, especially when difficulty rises. Maybe I'll make an Amiga PPC version of wallet in the future.
X1000 and high end G5 Macs do qualify. Also, Linux PPC32/64 versions can be easily compiled from Linux sources.
There is no point if it anyhow cannot be run on amiga.
On other news, I overall dislike slavemastership to coin or paper money, leave alone virtual one.
Real currencies are human work, care and emotions. Rest is an illusion.
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Any of the PPC platforms couldn't mine coins worth a crap. Even a top end PPC Mac mining coins doesn't come close to even a low end GPU - I have tried it, and there wasn't even a break even factor to it, really. My 5 year old nVidia GPU's had better throughput, and nVidia GPU's are notoriously poor for mining, even the modern high end Titan's like I have in this machine don't come close to modern mid-range AMD cards.
There's mining clients for the PPC Mac platform, give them a whirl. Not a fault of the platform, CPU's just do not mine efficiently, and even mutli GPU PC's have a hard time turning a profit on BTC. Bitcoin is now in the ASIC age, profits wise.
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I was always interested in this new cyber currency and decided to try it and it's fairly simple to setup on an old PC in my mancave that was only collecting dust but now has a reason to live again (http://www.amigans.net/uploads/smil3dbd4d6422f04.gif) Maybe it could one day let us buy/trade stuff in Amiga land without paying certain companies certain fees (http://www.amigans.net/uploads/smil3dbd4e398ff7b.gif)
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Hello at all,
After a lot of time I have some news:
_ new wallets for Linux, Mac OS X and Windows platform;
_ added a trading site where you can exchange Amigacoins with others crypto-coins (https://www.cryptoaltex.com);
_ added a new pool site (http://aga.obfuscode.net);
_ here (http://cryptotrends.info/AGA/faucet) you can get some Amigacoin for free (or just ask me if you want furthermore free coins);
_ working on AROS version of cpuminer (http://perniolagi.altervista.org/AROS_cpuminer.png) and after I'll try to port the wallet on this OS.
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Hi,
I am playing around with your amicoins...
If I get a "yay!!!!" does it mean i created/mined a amigacoin?
When will I see it in my wallet?
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Hello,
Which pool are you using?
Hi,
I am playing around with your amicoins...
If I get a "yay!!!!" does it mean i created/mined a amigacoin?
When will I see it in my wallet?
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I tried yesterday poolamigacoin.
Now I am trying obfuscode
hmm.. i get quite more yays at poolamigacoin.
When while be amigaoins sended to a wallet?
I am new to this stuff.
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On poolamigacoin you can get more coins, but you should wait more time to see them on your wallet. To be honest I prefer obfuscode (it is more reliable) and there I can get coins anytime.
I tried yesterday poolamigacoin.
Now I am trying obfuscode
hmm.. i get quite more yays at poolamigacoin.
When while be amigaoins sended to a wallet?
I am new to this stuff.
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Ok, how far is your AROS port of the miner?
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What do i need to backup on os x? Any idea where the database is stored?
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I am trying to solve a malfunction between bsdsocket, curl and multi-threading stuffs. It seems bsdsocket cannot retrieve ip address from dns when its functions are not called by main thread. :/
Ok, how far is your AROS port of the miner?
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About location of database, look here:
http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/1350/where-is-bitcoin-information-wallet-dat-stored-on-os-x
Instead for the backup, here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=47010.0
What do i need to backup on os x? Any idea where the database is stored?
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Hi,
please check also my last post. I would like to backup my wallet on OSX but I am not sure where it is stored.
Where can I order a Pizza with my money? ; )
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Ok,
got it. It was in root and not under my USER library : )
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Last question:
Is it possible to exchange them with real money?
So far i found only exchange with Bitcoins.
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Hehe, you need sell Amigacoins to buy Bitcoins, but at the moment its price is too much low. (1 AGA = 0.00000002 BTC) ;-)
Yes, there are hundreds of clones and that's main reason due to all sites accept only bitcoin/real money exchange - someone got also Litecoin.
This is an incomplete list of crypto-currencies:
http://coinmarketcap.com/all.html
Usually I use this below for exchanging bitcoin/british pounds and it works pretty good for me.
https://bitbargain.co.uk/
I think Amigacoin can be useful only inside us community, not to earn real money, for now.
Hi,
Where can I order a Pizza with my money? ; )
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So far i found only exchange with Bitcoins.
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I understand that it is targeted to our "communities" but A comes before B... so at wikipedia this one comes first ; )
Could you explain me (as a noob) what your hopes are / what use we as community can make of this? I missed the hype around Bitcoins (sure I saw it in media but didn't dig into this).
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I am really interested (not trying to make it bad here).
For example you could try to convince me to accept them as payment method.
Why should I and why could I? The problem would be for me:
Ok i get Amigacoins but what can I do with them.
Chicken egg problem ; )
Ordering Pizza would be nice.
EDIT:
Makes it sense to add a miner to AEROS for Pi? : D
Mine is always on... doing nothing at most.
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Yep, right... for example, a developer can ask Amigacoins for its software, updates and so on, and/or users can buy those services with Amigacoins (or real money, obviously it depends by developers). Most developers are like volunteers here and I think it can be a way to "boost" developing on Amiga, where there is a lack of real money.
Maybe it can make sense making a port, just we need to convert all assembly x86 parts into arm architecture... ;-)
I am really interested (not trying to make it bad here).
For example you could try to convince me to accept them as payment method.
Why should I and why could I? The problem would be for me:
Ok i get Amigacoins but what can I do with them.
Chicken egg problem ; )
Ordering Pizza would be nice.
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Okidoki but most developers need to pay bills.
It seems surreal if money is created by calculating hashes only.
Let's do an example:
I need to pay 43€ per month for hosting and such stuff
How could i pay it by accepting Amigacoins?
How many Amigacoins do I need to exchange them in 2 steps (AGA->BTC->EUR)
to pay my bill.
Seems strange : )
At some point there must be a real money volume behind it. There must exist a interest in buying Amigacoins with real money, so the poor developer can sell again his earned Amigacoins to real money (or AGA->BTC->EUR).
I could not copy and paste those numbers from https://cryptoaltex.com (. is , and vise versa in germany), maybe i lost a digit behind the "," but it looks as 1€ could be equal to 80000 - 100 000 Amigacoins.
But those numbers are based on what again : )
I fear that if I would accept them that the first guys "miners" pay me with just hot air created from a PC-fan ... And the end would be that I can do nothing with them by myself.
Chicken egg.
On the other hand it is a thrilling idea to have a own Amiga currency : p
Maybe I accept them in exchange to indieCoins with a fixed exchange rate to € at some point ; )
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0.3 khash/s !!
Running on Raspberry Pi ; )
Earning money while playing : p
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUigNkhktFk&list=HL1401640347&feature=mh_lolz
[YOUTUBE]qUigNkhktFk[/YOUTUBE]
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Ehm... I didn't say that crypto-currencies will replace fiat money completely. However, I'm not very able to explain really deeply how cryptomoney works, you can start look here http://www.coindesk.com for example. There are a lot of technical and not articles around bitcoin world. :)
Okidoki but most developers need to pay bills.
It seems surreal if money is created by calculating hashes only.
Let's do an example:
I need to pay 43€ per month for hosting and such stuff
How could i pay it by accepting Amigacoins?
How many Amigacoins do I need to exchange them in 2 steps (AGA->BTC->EUR)
to pay my bill.
Seems strange : )
At some point there must be a real money volume behind it. There must exist a interest in buying Amigacoins with real money, so the poor developer can sell again his earned Amigacoins to real money (or AGA->BTC->EUR).
I could not copy and paste those numbers from https://cryptoaltex.com (. is , and vise versa in germany), maybe i lost a digit behind the "," but it looks as 1€ could be equal to 80000 - 100 000 Amigacoins.
But those numbers are based on what again : )
I fear that if I would accept them that the first guys "miners" pay me with just hot air created from a PC-fan ... And the end would be that I can do nothing with them by myself.
Chicken egg.
On the other hand it is a thrilling idea to have a own Amiga currency : p
Maybe I accept them in exchange to indieCoins with a fixed exchange rate to € at some point ; )
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o_O
Right... I forgot there is a version of cpuminer for Linux+ARM!
0.3 khash/s !!
Running on Raspberry Pi ; )
Earning money while playing : p
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUigNkhktFk&list=HL1401640347&feature=mh_lolz
[YOUTUBE]qUigNkhktFk[/YOUTUBE]
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Someone must do the first step ; )
I am offering AEROS Plus for Pi (download only) for 1000000 Amigacoins (price will drop)
For a AmigaOS4 wallet i would check out Amicygnix, maybe a easier way to port it.
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cool there seems to be more amigans mining Amigacoins today last time I checked :)
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A online wallet could be the solution for classics.
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Pricedrop:
Aeros plus for pi (downloadversion) costs now 900000AGA.
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Deflation 2.0
Price is now 750000AGA
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Update:
Final price for AEROS Plus for Pi download version is:
105000 Amigacoins
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Pizza (medium size) + Cola costs 250000.
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5€ donation to a power2people bounty costs 150000 (70€ budget right now , 05 of june 2014)
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500 indieCoins cost 75000 AGA
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@sonountaleban
Any change in the status of this discussion?
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If it was made 68K only and mining adjusted for Amiga I would give it a go otherwise no thanks :/
Mining cryptocurrencies maxes out your hardware 24/7 which is something it was never designed to do. Not only that but your vintage hardware is extremely inefficient CPU per cycle and replacement parts vary from expensive to unattainable. Its not like running a BBS were your system is just on 24/7.
This would be akin to driving for UBER in a mid to late 50's gas guzzler with unsynchronized 3 speed manual transmission, unassisted drum brakes and non-power steering. Not a good model for success...
The wallet working on classic hardware would probably be enough :)
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You may be bitconning and not even know it!
https://www.wired.com/story/cryptojacking-cryptocurrency-mining-browser/
Hell, they should GIVE US A COMPUTER if.......
We (promise to sometimes) dig dig dig dig dig dig dig in our mine the
whole day through
To dig dig dig dig dig dig dig is what we really like to do
It ain't no trick to get rich quick
If you dig dig dig with a shovel or a pick
In a mine! In a mine! In a mine! In a mine!
Where a million diamonds shine!
We dig dig dig dig dig dig dig from early morn till night
We dig dig dig dig dig dig dig up everything in sight
We dig up diamonds by the score
A thousand rubies, sometimes more
But we don't know what we dig 'em for
We dig dig dig a-dig dig
Heigh-ho, Heigh-ho
Heigh-ho, Heigh-ho
Heigh-ho
Visualise it here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HI0x0KYChq4
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The bitconning does go on... and on and on!!!!!
https://thehackernews.com/2017/11/cryptocurrency-mining-javascript.html
All cryptocutrrencies should be SHUT DOWN. Rip off Ponzi type schemes. As bad as worthless chain letters were in their time.
Clogging up the internet and wasting electricity.