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Re: Review of AmigaOS 4.1.1 / Interview with Simon Archer
« on: February 23, 2010, 10:52:30 PM »
"But, Mr. Salesman! I don't want to buy a Porsche! Just give me a nice car I can afford and maintain!"

"Honestly? Grow up!, it's like a nursery school in these car lots most days."


"But, Mr. McEwen! I don't want an AmigaDE! I want to see an upgrade to a system that I loved!"

"Honestly? Grow up!, it's like a nursery school in the community most days."


"But, Mr. Hyperion! I don't want an expensive computer with stuff I can't makes sense out of! I want something I can afford and use!"

"Honestly? Grow up!, it's like a nursery school in those forums most days."


Now THAT'S what I call "customer service!"


The Amiga curse strikes again.
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Re: Review of AmigaOS 4.1.1 / Interview with Simon Archer
« Reply #1 on: February 24, 2010, 05:13:33 AM »
@ Hans

Sorry, Hans, but it doesn't matter if he represents Hyperion or not. What he does represent is the current problem with the Amiga community. Amigan's would like a product they can get there hands on, but Gateway, McEwen Inc. and now Hyperion have all delivered something they don't want, can't afford or feel is the wrong direction... and they're immature for complaining?

I'm not offended. I'm amused, and my post was a bit of satire. You want Amigan's to stop complaining? Then give them something they can get their hands on, but to mischaracterize it as "immaturity" completely misses the point.

"You must be at least 6 foot 10 inches to enjoy this ride."

"But that eliminates most of us! How are you gonna pay for its upkeep?"

"What? Bah! Get out of here you immature fool!"

If you build it, they will only come if they want it... McEwen Inc. proved that. When is Hyperion going to "get it?"

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Re: Review of AmigaOS 4.1.1 / Interview with Simon Archer
« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2010, 11:49:14 PM »
@ HammerD:
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What exactly is wrong with what Hyperion has so far produced? What do you want? In a perfect world, what Amiga product (software or hardware) would you want?


Nothing. There is nothing wrong with what Hyperion has produced because Hyperion has produced nothing...

OK, to be fair, Hyperion has produced nothing that people can get their hands on. And continue to go down a road that will likely deliver nothing. Or, after a short run, it will become nothing.  

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There are so many choices out there today (stay with Classic, use an Emulator, use AROS, MiniMig, use OS 4.x, use MorphOS)...I don't really understand your frustrations here. You can put aside Amiga Inc. and I agree with you there - they never delivered anything and were a big waste of time and money. But Hyperion and the others (AROS, emulation, and MorphOS teams) have all delivered.


Then you're misreading my posts. I'm not disappointed, I'm amused. Hyperion keeps making choices that will get them nothing. Nothing will come of nothing. I've watched GM sell cars for years that made no sense -- but at least they gave the people what they wanted -- only to see them go bankrupt when gas prices soared. I wasn't disappointing in GM, I was dazzled by their foolishness. But at least they made a profit for a short while.

Where Amigas are concerned, I'm in the x86 camp. But I qualify that with an "if it must be PPC, then Wii, XBox or PS3." These would at least get AmigaOS into the hands of enough people that a market could start to form... but, no... instead we continue down a route that has thus far proven to be a failure.

And I'm dazzled by the foolishness.


@ AmigaNG:
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How sad. this very thread I think proves his point.


Do you honestly believe that criticisms of "wrong hardware," "price/performance," or "I don't like this direction" are immature?
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Re: Review of AmigaOS 4.1.1 / Interview with Simon Archer
« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2010, 02:43:33 PM »
All well and good, klx300r; I'm glad you're enjoying that Miggy of yours, but you're still missing the point being made by some of us "immature" Amigans. :) How much "happier" might these times be if the Amiga had a real market again? You might actually have a fully functional browser. You might actually have modern fully functional mainstream software, like an up-to-date word processor or database. And software developers actually making a profit.

But you can only have this IF you can get hardware into the hands of enough people. Given the current state of Amiga, the best solution is an inexpensive one; the lower the price, the more willing people might be to give it a try again. Just as Amigans were once unwilling to leave their platform because of all the money they had invested in it, now many are unwilling to move back because of all the money they would have to invest in it. So, the only way you might ever have a thriving market again, is to lower the cost to entry. A higher price only guarantees that people will stay away and the X1000, with a higher price and an uncertain future guarantees that all but the most faithful will stay away.


@ Dammy

Honestly? I'm surprised they've been able to hold on this long. Even if they've managed to make a profit all this time, I can't imagine it being much. Yet most businesses seek to maximize their profits by getting their product into the hands of the most people. I can understand why McEwen Inc didn't employ such a strategy, but it "blows my mind" that Hyperion won't.


@ All

BTW, anyone know the status of Anubis? Just wondering... They've been silent for a nearly a year now, raising concerns of vapor.
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Re: Review of AmigaOS 4.1.1 / Interview with Simon Archer
« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2010, 09:40:38 PM »
I dunno... his comments aren't enough to "drive me away." They just make me laugh. What keeps me around is simple nostalgia; a great computer for its time and excellent memories of those times. What keeps me from coming back, OTOH, is the cost to participate, especially if it's only for nostalgia's sake. Which is why I'm in the AROS x86 camp. The price is worth the memories...

That said, grow the market, and it might be worth more to me than just memories...
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Re: Review of AmigaOS 4.1.1 / Interview with Simon Archer
« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2010, 08:05:21 PM »
Very true, klx300r -- may I call you "klx?" :) -- so the question is, what niche does the Amiga best fit these days? And that answer is pretty simple: nostalgia. That is the market that is most likely to generate the most revenues and allow it to expand, not some expensive and doubtful architecture in an already mature and crowded industry.

As to MOS, well, I'm more likely to buy it than OS 4.1 because the cost is much less. But, then again, I'm also more likely to wait for the PowerMac G4 version, since those are even cheaper.

Regarding AROS, well, the box I'm typing on runs Win7, OS X, Linux, Amiga on Linux and AROS and it didn't cost me a huge amount of smackeroos just to get any one of them. As to people running to it, well, AROS is still a bit rough around the edges, so, no, I don't see people "running" to it just yet. But I do watch the development of the iMica and the AresOne with interest.

To be honest, though, AROS suffers from the same problem that most open source software does: always behind everyone else and in AROS' case, WAY behind everyone else. Which is why I'd love to see a professionally developed version available and why I'd like to see OS 4.1 on x86 and why I watched Anubis with interest. (It's a shame that it appears to be stillborn.) But as long as Hyperion remains fixated on PPC, I'm not spending my hard earned money on it, not solely for nostalgia's sake.

First rule of business: understand your niche and exploit it. Hyperion doesn't seem to know it. Instead, they're selling to the religious, not to the regular guy. I believe this is a dead end.
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Re: Review of AmigaOS 4.1.1 / Interview with Simon Archer
« Reply #6 on: March 28, 2010, 03:14:09 PM »
Yes, Staf, I believe I said that, so I'm not really sure how you are disagreeing since my point was that I think they are targeting the wrong niche. The one that isn't going to generate a lot of revenue.
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Re: Review of AmigaOS 4.1.1 / Interview with Simon Archer
« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2010, 05:25:57 AM »
As I stated above, I think the best niche is the nostalgia niche. It stands to bring in the most customer if the price is right. If they get enough customers, they might be able to exploit other niches. Start simple, build from there...
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Re: Review of AmigaOS 4.1.1 / Interview with Simon Archer
« Reply #8 on: March 30, 2010, 01:56:07 PM »
Then you're thinking too small, Staf.

A market niche can start in one place and move somewhere else. This is why I've used terms in my argument like "exploit," "Start simple, build from there" and "grow the market."

And Hyperion has a better chance of growing if they do just that. Going straight to the X1000 likely isn't going to result in a large increase in their user base. I could be wrong, but in the absence of any other facts, I doubt it.
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