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Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga Magazines => Topic started by: Daff on February 23, 2010, 03:06:03 PM
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The magazine Obligement published today the review of AmigaOS 4.1 Update 1, the latest version of the Amiga operating system for AmigaOne (XE, SE, MicroA1), Sam440ep/Flex and Pegasos II.
This review come with an interview with Simon Archer, one of the AmigaOS 4.x developers.
- Review of AmigaOS 4.1 Update 1 (french) :
http://obligement.free.fr/articles/amigaos41_update1.php
- Interview with Simon Archer (french) :
http://obligement.free.fr/articles/itwarcher.php
- Interview with Simon Archer (english) :
http://obligement.free.fr/articles_traduction/itwarcher_en.php
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Huh, what a negative vibe I got from that interview...
This is the kind of stuff that made me think twice if I should keep my 4.1 system last year. Sold it because I want Amiga to be a positive thing, not a negative vibration of blame.
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Interesting interview. To be honest, I agree with his view of the response about the new AmigaOneX1000. I'm really excited and given my recent pay rise, I may be looking out for some new hardware in the near future and this is definately on the list.
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I wonder if he could make any of his answers any shorter. I wouldn't call that an interview by any stretch of the imagination.
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He is really negative in that interview. I was expecting to read about a guy enthusiastic with his work on OS4.x and talking good things about OS4.x future.
He even seems rude at times. Well Hyperion is lucky not to have him as P.R.
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Personally i am very excited about the new X1K.
I do understand why he is not to overwhelmed with happy and fuzzy feelings, regarding the respone the announcement had.
All I can say is, its only a handfull of ppl who yell the loudest.
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He is really negative in that interview. I was expecting to read about a guy enthusiastic with his work on OS4.x and talking good things about OS4.x future.
He even seems rude at times. Well Hyperion is lucky not to have him as P.R.
I can understand where he's coming from though. If you put a huge amount of effort into something, and no matter what you do, elements of the community that it's for rip it to shreds for no good reason, you'd find it hard to remain enthusiastic, nice and polite too. He was right when he said that some people here need to grow up. The constant bitching, moaning and mud slinging is unnecessary and tiring, particularly if you're one of the developers.
Some say that OS4 devs just need to accept that they are targets; but no, they didn't sign up for that. Being a customer (or potential customer) never justifies treating someone like dirt and you shouldn't expect someone to just sit there and take it.
So while his responses may not be pretty, I'm glad that someone was blunt enough to say what others are thinking.
Hans
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I see your point, but then it would have been more reasonable not to give such an interview at all.
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"But, Mr. Salesman! I don't want to buy a Porsche! Just give me a nice car I can afford and maintain!"
"Honestly? Grow up!, it's like a nursery school in these car lots most days."
"But, Mr. McEwen! I don't want an AmigaDE! I want to see an upgrade to a system that I loved!"
"Honestly? Grow up!, it's like a nursery school in the community most days."
"But, Mr. Hyperion! I don't want an expensive computer with stuff I can't makes sense out of! I want something I can afford and use!"
"Honestly? Grow up!, it's like a nursery school in those forums most days."
Now THAT'S what I call "customer service!"
The Amiga curse strikes again.
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There are far more diplomatic ways to express (arguably justified) frustration with the community.
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"But, Mr. Salesman! I don't want to buy a Porsche! Just give me a nice car I can afford and maintain!"
"Honestly? Grow up!, it's like a nursery school in these car lots most days."
"But, Mr. McEwen! I don't want an AmigaDE! I want to see an upgrade to a system that I loved!"
"Honestly? Grow up!, it's like a nursery school in the community most days."
"But, Mr. Hyperion! I don't want an expensive computer with stuff I can't makes sense out of! I want something I can afford and use!"
"Honestly? Grow up!, it's like a nursery school in those forums most days."
Now THAT'S what I call "customer service!"
The Amiga curse strikes again.
Firstly, this is an interview of an individual developer, not an official Hyperion statement or anything that qualifies as customer service. Secondly, none of the statements that you are making come close to what triggered the blunt statements in the interview, so your comparisons are meaningless. This goes far beyond people saying that they're not interested in what's on offer.
There may be more diplomatic ways to say "grow up," but in this case, at least bluntness has people's attention. I don't feel offended in the slightest because those statements aren't directed at me. If you're not one of the people who need to grow up, then there's no need for you to be offended either.
Hans
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If that guy was working for me and gave an interview like that, well he wouldn't be working for me.
Worse interview ever. Perhaps I need to grow up!
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Not the most personable of people, so he nicely fits the computer programmer stereotype. He is frustrated with how absurdly critical most of us are on this board. Half the people on this board won't be happy with anything that doesn't surpass the latest PC and Mac technology, even though it needs to be done with almost no budget or personel!
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Firstly, this is an interview of an individual developer, not an official Hyperion statement or anything that qualifies as customer service. Secondly, none of the statements that you are making come close to what triggered the blunt statements in the interview, so your comparisons are meaningless. This goes far beyond people saying that they're not interested in what's on offer.
There may be more diplomatic ways to say "grow up," but in this case, at least bluntness has people's attention. I don't feel offended in the slightest because those statements aren't directed at me. If you're not one of the people who need to grow up, then there's no need for you to be offended either.
Hans
Hi Hans, in my long experience in the Amiga world, I can understand how it's easy to get upset over people's comments. It is very easy for people to hide behind the safety of their nicknames and type whatever they want. You just have to ignore the crap and not bother responding or reading it.
When you actually go out to Amiga events and meet people, even talk to some of the same people, you get a totally different and mostly positive experience.
I honestly can't understand the negative attitudes around the forums on various sites. This is the most positive time post-Commodore!! Look at all the available options - Emulation, Classic, AROS, MorphOS, OS4....new hardware is available...everything still getting updated... I mean really, it's the best time in years.
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@ Hans
Sorry, Hans, but it doesn't matter if he represents Hyperion or not. What he does represent is the current problem with the Amiga community. Amigan's would like a product they can get there hands on, but Gateway, McEwen Inc. and now Hyperion have all delivered something they don't want, can't afford or feel is the wrong direction... and they're immature for complaining?
I'm not offended. I'm amused, and my post was a bit of satire. You want Amigan's to stop complaining? Then give them something they can get their hands on, but to mischaracterize it as "immaturity" completely misses the point.
"You must be at least 6 foot 10 inches to enjoy this ride."
"But that eliminates most of us! How are you gonna pay for its upkeep?"
"What? Bah! Get out of here you immature fool!"
If you build it, they will only come if they want it... McEwen Inc. proved that. When is Hyperion going to "get it?"
Ed.
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@ Hans
Sorry, Hans, but it doesn't matter if he represents Hyperion or not. What he does represent is the current problem with the Amiga community. Amigan's would like a product they can get there hands on, but Gateway, McEwen Inc. and now Hyperion have all delivered something they don't want, can't afford or feel is the wrong direction... and they're immature for complaining?
I'm not offended. I'm amused, and my post was a bit of satire. You want Amigan's to stop complaining? Then give them something they can get their hands on, but to mischaracterize it as "immaturity" completely misses the point.
"You must be at least 6 foot 10 inches to enjoy this ride."
"But that eliminates most of us! How are you gonna pay for its upkeep?"
"What? Bah! Get out of here you immature fool!"
If you build it, they will only come if they want it... McEwen Inc. proved that. When is Hyperion going to "get it?"
Ed.
What exactly is wrong with what Hyperion has so far produced? What do you want? In a perfect world, what Amiga product (software or hardware) would you want?
There are so many choices out there today (stay with Classic, use an Emulator, use AROS, MiniMig, use OS 4.x, use MorphOS)...I don't really understand your frustrations here. You can put aside Amiga Inc. and I agree with you there - they never delivered anything and were a big waste of time and money. But Hyperion and the others (AROS, emulation, and MorphOS teams) have all delivered.
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As far as I can tell its really only a handfull of people that really complains. And to my knowlegde, its just a handfull of people. The rest mostly say nothing. Speaking for myself, its really not that great being enthustiastic about something, writing about it in various forums, just to be called "dumb".
Some people will keep complaining as long as AOS is not x86 and just another MS clone. :(
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I don't think there's any reason for the bluntness in some of the answers.
I think most of us understand that things take time and money.
Some also ought to understand that there is a *healthy* skepticism in this community today.
In my opinion it's not healthy that people on both sides of the fence (user/developer) start painting themselves into corners that they can't get out of. One is useless without the other - or at least has very little fun.
It's only fair that potential users are skeptical till they can touch the X1000 and have seen the price tag. It's also totally fair that developers are tired of hearing negative things all the time.
I guess that's why companies have community managers to interact with the crowd instead of developers themselves. It's too easy to get carried away and come off as a primadonna even though you're trying to be pragmatic and practical, when you're actively involved in something and have put a lot of hours into things.
I'm sure both sides of the fence are fully familiar with what it's been like being an Amiga user for the last 15 years, so let's just leave it at that.
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I won't complain. I already moved on.
But to tell the truth, if that interview would have been from an AROS coder I would have been a little pissed off. OS4 doesn't benefit one ounce from putting more fuel to the fire.
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Huh, what a negative vibe I got from that interview...
This is the kind of stuff that made me think twice if I should keep my 4.1 system last year. Sold it because I want Amiga to be a positive thing, not a negative vibration of blame.
Other then the elitist attitude, I did pick up on a sense of futility in his statements. If AmigaOne X1000 sales only reach low to mid three digits, one has to question the economic viability of the OS4 market. I have my doubts, and I think he does as well.
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This guy interviewed have left other negative comments about "the community" on aw.net before and I am still fascinated he mentions it in a negative way again.
What are we? a bunch of stereotype faceless Windows idiots running office apps all day long and thinking about how nice Vista is?
No, we are Amigans (may come as a surprise?), some of us been with this computer 25 years and actually wants it back.
Should we should just sit quiet and accept obscure hardware with a smile just because it runs the true arian blonde/blue-eyed AmigaOS built from the core holy grail of AmigaOS?! F"k it, it isnt even called Workbench any more.
I thought modern Amiga was about replacing PC desktops with Amiga, and having a blast while doing it!
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Other then the elitist attitude, I did pick up on a sense of futility in his statements. If AmigaOne X1000 sales only reach low to mid three digits, one has to question the economic viability of the OS4 market. I have my doubts, and I think he does as well.
Yeah, I actually think X1000 will sell well (as in 'well' in the Amiga market). I think many old Aone owners will buy one to replace their old systems.
(and in a parallell universe, yesterday AmigaOS 4.2 was released for the Acer Aspire One for 99 euro).
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Yeah, I actually think X1000 will sell well (as in 'well' in the Amiga market). I think many old Aone owners will buy one to replace their old systems.
I'm sure some A1 owners will, but it's different times of when they bought the A1s. Long has the economic good times gone by as hopes of being apart of a major Amiga revival the A1 had to offer. Today, we are staring at a lost decade of economics before us and the hopes of so many years ago have been dampened by reality of a ever evolving computer market that has clearly gone mobile. I don't see a grossly expensive status symbol of yesteryear being able to sell that well in 2010. YMMV
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If you put a huge amount of effort into something, and no matter what you do, elements of the community that it's for rip it to shreds for no good reason.
I only rip it into shreads for very good reasons, no idea what you're referring to here.
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As far as I can tell its really only a handfull of people that really complains. And to my knowlegde, its just a handfull of people. The rest mostly say nothing. Speaking for myself, its really not that great being enthustiastic about something, writing about it in various forums, just to be called "dumb".
So to your knowledge a handfull of people is a handfull of people - and they call you dumb? How rude! :laughing:
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I'm reminded of a IIgs developer who replaced his webpage with a diatribe on how the unworthy community didn't desrve his work and informed everyone that he had destroyed all copies of programming tools and info for the platform.
If someone really despises the people who are supposed to benefit from one's work maybe it is better just to leave and find more satifying and better-paid work.
In my opinion,the Aeon1000 teasers were a very bad idea;nothing should have been publicized until product was ready.Amiga users are sick unto death of vaporware like the SharkPPC cards.
And like it or not,barring some yet unforseen new super app that runs only on Amiga,the Amiga is nothing more than another hobbyist system with no relevance to today's business,education ,home or scientific markets.
You could build a new run of Model T cars but only a few would buy one;an Amiga that doesn't have ALL the desireable features of today's offerings of the WindowsMac world AND at a significantly lower cost is doomed to obscurity.
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How sad. this very thread I think proves his point.
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He should do interviews he only antagonises the crowd. Nobody forced him to be interviewed. He comes off smug and arrogant, yet he wants people to buy his product. Why should I?
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An AmigaOS laptop would make a lot of success, even a PDA as it would be something that all already existing Amiga owners would still buy. Even some non current Amiga owners probably would.
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guys I really don't understand the negativity here? Rigo has done great things for OS4 (AmiUpdate, CodeBench, Update 1 work etc.) ..sheesh give the guy a break..we all have bad days!
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"I'm not here to make friends, the questions were answered honestly, not to make people happy. 97% of the people in this coomunity can go and catch fire as far as I'm concerned, I know who I'd want holding my extinguisher if push comes to shove." -- Simon Archer
That's the spirit. The first step to success is to show everyone how much of a douche bag you are.
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>AmigaOS?! F"k it, it isnt even called Workbench any more.
When was it ever? Workbench is just an application running on top of AmigaOS. It's like saying "MS-DOS? Fuck it, it isn't even called COMMAND.COM any more."
"The Workbench name can also refer to the main OS floppy disk for AmigaOS versions 1.1 to 1.3 (the "Workbench disk"). This was due to an error of Commodore marketing. This fact led some Amiga users to believe that all of the AmigaOS was named "Workbench"." Taken from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Workbench_(AmigaOS)
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I can understand where he's coming from though. If you put a huge amount of effort into something, and no matter what you do, elements of the community that it's for rip it to shreds for no good reason, you'd find it hard to remain enthusiastic, nice and polite too. He was right when he said that some people here need to grow up. The constant bitching, moaning and mud slinging is unnecessary and tiring, particularly if you're one of the developers.
Some say that OS4 devs just need to accept that they are targets; but no, they didn't sign up for that. Being a customer (or potential customer) never justifies treating someone like dirt and you shouldn't expect someone to just sit there and take it.
So while his responses may not be pretty, I'm glad that someone was blunt enough to say what others are thinking.
Hans
Nah, he needs to shut up and write code. The only talking that matters is money and that requires getting products to market, not taking a piss on the customer base. The guy is an idiot and if he worked for a real company he'd be fired for that little PR blunder.
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guys I really don't understand the negativity here? Rigo has done great things for OS4 (AmiUpdate, CodeBench, Update 1 work etc.) ..sheesh give the guy a break..we all have bad days!
No doubt he has done some great stuff, but people wanted to read about what the guy has done, learn more about OS4.
If you want to see some interviews done right, check out The AROS Show (http://arosshow.blogspot.com/)
- Stanisław Szymczyk (http://arosshow.blogspot.com/2008/11/stanisaw-szymczyk-interview.html)
- Eric Schwartz (http://arosshow.blogspot.com/2008/05/eric-schwartz-interview.html)
- Staf Verhaegen (http://arosshow.blogspot.com/2008/01/staf-verhaegen-interview.html)
- Bill Panagouleas (DiscreetFX) (http://arosshow.blogspot.com/2007/05/bill-panagouleas-interview-what-is.html)
- Nick "Kalametee" Andrews (http://arosshow.blogspot.com/2007/05/nick-kalamatee-andrews-interview-hello.html)
- Damir "d980" Sijakovic (http://arosshow.blogspot.com/2007/04/damir-d980-sijakovic-interview-hello.html)
- Marco van den Heuvel (http://arosshow.blogspot.com/2007/03/marco-van-den-heuvel-interview-aka.html)
"Blacky Stardust"[/URL]
- Pavel "Sonic" Fedin (http://arosshow.blogspot.com/2007/03/hello-pavel-thank-you-for-doing.html)
- Robert Norris (http://arosshow.blogspot.com/2007/01/robert-norris-interview-hello-rob.html)
- Aaron Digulla (http://arosshow.blogspot.com/2006/12/interview-with-aaron-digulla-who.html)
- Hogne "m0ns00n" Titlestad (http://arosshow.blogspot.com/2006/04/this-is-interview-with-aros-developer.html)
- Michal Schulz (http://arosshow.blogspot.com/2005/11/this-is-interview-with-aros-developer.html)
- Adam Chodorowski (http://arosshow.blogspot.com/2005_08_21_archive.html)
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@ mihcael
thanks for the link!..read some in the past and I love the Eric Schwartz interview! now that guy is a class act :-)
btw, I'm looking forward to dual booting AROS & OS4.1 on my Samflex system as I see the port has been coming along nicely recently
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Not the most personable of people, so he nicely fits the computer programmer stereotype. He is frustrated with how absurdly critical most of us are on this board. Half the people on this board won't be happy with anything that doesn't surpass the latest PC and Mac technology, even though it needs to be done with almost no budget or personel!
Most probably want about equal hardware performance at equal or cheaper prices. Paying far higher rates for lower performance hardware is the kiss of death.
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@ HammerD:
What exactly is wrong with what Hyperion has so far produced? What do you want? In a perfect world, what Amiga product (software or hardware) would you want?
Nothing. There is nothing wrong with what Hyperion has produced because Hyperion has produced nothing...
OK, to be fair, Hyperion has produced nothing that people can get their hands on. And continue to go down a road that will likely deliver nothing. Or, after a short run, it will become nothing.
There are so many choices out there today (stay with Classic, use an Emulator, use AROS, MiniMig, use OS 4.x, use MorphOS)...I don't really understand your frustrations here. You can put aside Amiga Inc. and I agree with you there - they never delivered anything and were a big waste of time and money. But Hyperion and the others (AROS, emulation, and MorphOS teams) have all delivered.
Then you're misreading my posts. I'm not disappointed, I'm amused. Hyperion keeps making choices that will get them nothing. Nothing will come of nothing. I've watched GM sell cars for years that made no sense -- but at least they gave the people what they wanted -- only to see them go bankrupt when gas prices soared. I wasn't disappointing in GM, I was dazzled by their foolishness. But at least they made a profit for a short while.
Where Amigas are concerned, I'm in the x86 camp. But I qualify that with an "if it must be PPC, then Wii, XBox or PS3." These would at least get AmigaOS into the hands of enough people that a market could start to form... but, no... instead we continue down a route that has thus far proven to be a failure.
And I'm dazzled by the foolishness.
@ AmigaNG:How sad. this very thread I think proves his point.
Do you honestly believe that criticisms of "wrong hardware," "price/performance," or "I don't like this direction" are immature?
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Where Amigas are concerned, I'm in the x86 camp. But I qualify that with an "if it must be PPC, then Wii, XBox or PS3." These would at least get AmigaOS into the hands of enough people that a market could start to form... but, no... instead we continue down a route that has thus far proven to be a failure.
And I'm dazzled by the foolishnes.
What's the old definition of insanity, "constantly repeating an action and expecting a different outcome." There is no significant market to tap into any more. Their sales numbers has proven this multiple times now with A1s and SAM sales.
What the real question is that is not being asked, can Hyperion survive another failed hardware venture? How many failures will it take to drive home the point that there is no economically viable market left for expensive hardware which is bundled with closed source OS? I think the fat lady maybe sharing the stage with the X1000, but time will tell.
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....Where Amigas are concerned, I'm in the x86 camp. But I qualify that with an "if it must be PPC, then Wii, XBox or PS3." These would at least get AmigaOS into the hands of enough people that a market could start to form... but, no... instead we continue down a route that has thus far proven to be a failure.
And I'm dazzled by the foolishness.
well as both an owner of classic and NG miggy's I must say yet again that I applaud Hyperion, ACube and now A-Eon for fighting and supporting Amiga through rough and now good times. I am very happy with Amiga OS4.1.1 and I'm having a blast with it and my Samflex :-)
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All well and good, klx300r; I'm glad you're enjoying that Miggy of yours, but you're still missing the point being made by some of us "immature" Amigans. :) How much "happier" might these times be if the Amiga had a real market again? You might actually have a fully functional browser. You might actually have modern fully functional mainstream software, like an up-to-date word processor or database. And software developers actually making a profit.
But you can only have this IF you can get hardware into the hands of enough people. Given the current state of Amiga, the best solution is an inexpensive one; the lower the price, the more willing people might be to give it a try again. Just as Amigans were once unwilling to leave their platform because of all the money they had invested in it, now many are unwilling to move back because of all the money they would have to invest in it. So, the only way you might ever have a thriving market again, is to lower the cost to entry. A higher price only guarantees that people will stay away and the X1000, with a higher price and an uncertain future guarantees that all but the most faithful will stay away.
@ Dammy
Honestly? I'm surprised they've been able to hold on this long. Even if they've managed to make a profit all this time, I can't imagine it being much. Yet most businesses seek to maximize their profits by getting their product into the hands of the most people. I can understand why McEwen Inc didn't employ such a strategy, but it "blows my mind" that Hyperion won't.
@ All
BTW, anyone know the status of Anubis? Just wondering... They've been silent for a nearly a year now, raising concerns of vapor.
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BTW, anyone know the status of Anubis? Just wondering... They've been silent for a nearly a year now, raising concerns of vapor.
It's pretty much dead, I have little hope for it now. I may fund something out of my own pockets in the 3rd quarter of this year if I am able to do so.
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Cloanto did have mention of a Wii version of Amiga Forever several months ago;if that were released it might sell well those who remember the Amiga of yore.
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I can understand where he's coming from though. If you put a huge amount of effort into something, and no matter what you do, elements of the community that it's for rip it to shreds for no good reason, you'd find it hard to remain enthusiastic, nice and polite too. He was right when he said that some people here need to grow up. The constant bitching, moaning and mud slinging is unnecessary and tiring, particularly if you're one of the developers.
Some say that OS4 devs just need to accept that they are targets; but no, they didn't sign up for that. Being a customer (or potential customer) never justifies treating someone like dirt and you shouldn't expect someone to just sit there and take it.
So while his responses may not be pretty, I'm glad that someone was blunt enough to say what others are thinking.
Hans
Again you go about generalizing the whole community just because of the behaviour of a small minority. Calling the entirely community for childish and saying that 97% could burn is very offensive to most of their customers or potential customers. There are plenty of 4.1 owners who did not like this comments. I am one of those as well...
You have trolls or people who dont agree with your views in any community. You simply cannot please everyone and they really should not expect that everyone agrees with them either. I dont see why this should be taken personally when the majority is actually supportive and quite of them even bought their products.
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No, we are Amigans (may come as a surprise?), some of us been with this computer 25 years and actually wants it back.
You may be surprised to know how many people has a driving license for 25 years, and still hasn't learnt how to drive a car. Sometimes I read from "25 years computing" people statements whose idiocy brights up by itself.
And well, this community is far from being positive and believe in me, whoever tries to do something good for it, risks every day to get pissed off by the silly comments of SOME people who don't do anything, don't contribute anything, don't pay anything and maybe don't think anything. So the best way to deal with this community is do, release, and filter feedback you receive. Just cut off the childish sarcasm of those SOME people, and maybe you'll find something useful even in the darkest criticism.
Not everyone is able to do that, so don't blame who can't.
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There are plenty of 4.1 owners who did not like this comments. I am one of those as well...
There aren't all that many actual customers for new Amiga hardware.
There certainly isn't 10,000 of them.
Maybe 1,000?
I found his comments totally amusing as a good example of an arrogant idiot at a company that is doomed to failure because of their attitude.
It is pretty easy to turn off the few people left who CARE about the Amiga.
regards,
DJ
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Yep, why should anyone stay when you have to deal with attitude like that?
There aren't all that many actual customers for new Amiga hardware.
There certainly isn't 10,000 of them.
Maybe 1,000?
I found his comments totally amusing as a good example of an arrogant idiot at a company that is doomed to failure because of their attitude.
It is pretty easy to turn off the few people left who CARE about the Amiga.
regards,
DJ
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I dunno... his comments aren't enough to "drive me away." They just make me laugh. What keeps me around is simple nostalgia; a great computer for its time and excellent memories of those times. What keeps me from coming back, OTOH, is the cost to participate, especially if it's only for nostalgia's sake. Which is why I'm in the AROS x86 camp. The price is worth the memories...
That said, grow the market, and it might be worth more to me than just memories...
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...But you can only have this IF you can get hardware into the hands of enough people. Given the current state of Amiga, the best solution is an inexpensive one; the lower the price, the more willing people might be to give it a try again. Just as Amigans were once unwilling to leave their platform because of all the money they had invested in it, now many are unwilling to move back because of all the money they would have to invest in it. So, the only way you might ever have a thriving market again, is to lower the cost to entry. A higher price only guarantees that people will stay away and the X1000, with a higher price and an uncertain future guarantees that all but the most faithful will stay away.
ahh yes valid counterpoint but it's a catch 22 situation my friend :-)....MOS is available for MAC MINI'S but I don't see the masses running to buy used mac minis and AROS is free with great recent development but they are struggling to attract ex-Amigans never mind the masses...we are a niche market and, in a way, have always been
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Very true, klx300r -- may I call you "klx?" :) -- so the question is, what niche does the Amiga best fit these days? And that answer is pretty simple: nostalgia. That is the market that is most likely to generate the most revenues and allow it to expand, not some expensive and doubtful architecture in an already mature and crowded industry.
As to MOS, well, I'm more likely to buy it than OS 4.1 because the cost is much less. But, then again, I'm also more likely to wait for the PowerMac G4 version, since those are even cheaper.
Regarding AROS, well, the box I'm typing on runs Win7, OS X, Linux, Amiga on Linux and AROS and it didn't cost me a huge amount of smackeroos just to get any one of them. As to people running to it, well, AROS is still a bit rough around the edges, so, no, I don't see people "running" to it just yet. But I do watch the development of the iMica and the AresOne with interest.
To be honest, though, AROS suffers from the same problem that most open source software does: always behind everyone else and in AROS' case, WAY behind everyone else. Which is why I'd love to see a professionally developed version available and why I'd like to see OS 4.1 on x86 and why I watched Anubis with interest. (It's a shame that it appears to be stillborn.) But as long as Hyperion remains fixated on PPC, I'm not spending my hard earned money on it, not solely for nostalgia's sake.
First rule of business: understand your niche and exploit it. Hyperion doesn't seem to know it. Instead, they're selling to the religious, not to the regular guy. I believe this is a dead end.
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First rule of business: understand your niche and exploit it. Hyperion doesn't seem to know it. Instead, they're selling to the religious, not to the regular guy. I believe this is a dead end.
I disagree, I just think you are not part of the niche Hyperion is targeting.
Staf.
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Yes, Staf, I believe I said that, so I'm not really sure how you are disagreeing since my point was that I think they are targeting the wrong niche. The one that isn't going to generate a lot of revenue.
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Yes, it's obvious they are targeting the wrong niche, few would disagree with that, but what is the right niche????
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As I stated above, I think the best niche is the nostalgia niche. It stands to bring in the most customer if the price is right. If they get enough customers, they might be able to exploit other niches. Start simple, build from there...
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As I stated above, I think the best niche is the nostalgia niche.
I think the problem with 'nostalgia niche' is that it is not long lasting. IMO the best you can do is have a big one-time hit like the C64DTV.
greets,
Staf.
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Then you're thinking too small, Staf.
A market niche can start in one place and move somewhere else. This is why I've used terms in my argument like "exploit," "Start simple, build from there" and "grow the market."
And Hyperion has a better chance of growing if they do just that. Going straight to the X1000 likely isn't going to result in a large increase in their user base. I could be wrong, but in the absence of any other facts, I doubt it.