Lou: People tout the PS3's SPU's for physics (and sound as there is no dedicated sound chip). It's process is in charge of managing those SPU's in addition to running PPC code.
Which is largely handled by the OS and dev tools.
These are consoles. There is no OS and 1st gen dev tools are usually incomplete or not yet optimized.
Interesting how you suggested that Revolution could have a physics processor with 32MB of RAM, unaware that this would give you the same programming challenges as the PS3. Of course, Nintendo is smart enough to handle these challenges, and Sony and Microsoft are not.
If you read what the PPC core in the cell is doing, it is managing what instruction get sent to what cores. That is one task Revolution's cpu won't have to worry about. Hitting a dedicated chip with it's own memory bank to execute from requires no resources once the memory has been moved to that bank. It's not about programming challenges but about cpu time.
Lou: You are going off topic. If you want to talk about a Gamecube as an OS4 platform, go to my thread or the Hyperion news post.
Oh, this is hillarious. Remember when, in the middle of your PPC Amiga Real Cheap thread, you started arguing about whether the Game Boy Player was an emulator or not? Yeah, let's diversify the thread even more by bringing other Nintendo products into play (based on ARM processors, no less).
yes, take things off topic of this thread.
that started with a discussion about creating an IDE interface that used the high speed parralel port just like the GBA player did
Lou: These specs come from developers...and I've seen similar specs in a printed magazine.
Which one? What were their sources?
Electronic Gaming Monthly in print coming from "off-the-record" developers like the arstechnia article did
Lou: I don't see them coming out with a slower GPU than the Xbox because it's coming out almost 9 moths later.
Even though the price points are different?
You think the price difference is going to come from one individual component?
Didn't Nintendo already conceed that Revolution will be less powerful than XBox 360?
Yes and as I said before, on paper a 3-core or single with 7 spu cored cpu @ 3.2GHz will outperform a 2.5 GHz cpu. So buy one of those and be happy.
Lou: Deny, deny, deny is always the best defense when you have nothing meaningful to say.
Or in your case, ignore, ignore, ignore. You seem to be giving fewer and fewer rebuttals when people point out problems in your technical explanations, such as with the branch prediction issue. Oh, you'd like to forget that altogether and start up a new argument about how memory is handled in Revolution, which is more difficult to prove, in either direction, at this point in time.
When there is more information to be said it will be. But you coming here and personally attacking every statement I make is what makes you exactly what I say you are.
Lou: Yes he can buy a Mac-Mini on ebay and that's OK but buying a Gamecube on eBay for 1/10 that price isn't.
If Gamecube is to be used as an officialy licensed platform for OS4, as you pointed out in that other thread, you wouldn't be able to make a system yourself from eBay parts. Also, if you remember, some of the prices you listed were for the cost a used hardware, such as your build price that included a $60 Gamecube.
The $60 price is from Electronics Boutique/Game Stop. you can get them on Ebay for much less. Yes and that makes it as useless as your $335 mac mini, right? You bash me for quoting prices on ebay, then tout how you buy a computer on ebay. A bit hypocritical if you ask me.
Lou: Oh and when my 'Cube didn't turn on when I didn't solder my mod chip's power cable correctly. I soldered it to a more convenient location and - shock! horror! - it worked fine.
You're lucky. Amigans have been working with frankenstein solutions for so long, I'd think they would be looking for a platform where modding isn't required.
I found it amusing when you said you would return the Gamecube to Wal-Mart to get a replacement if you couldn't get it working again. So much for worrying about the warranty. :-)
But, hey, if you break your Gamecube, it's cheap to replace, isn't it?
Yes it is. I'm not looking to make Nintendo a profit. I'm just looking to use it for my own purposes. You have a problem with that...oh well.
coldfish: With the 'mini, why bother with OS4 when you have OSX?
Curiosity. OS X has been a mixed bag so far. I won't get into any more detail, lest Lou yells at me for getting off topic.
Curiosity? Could that be the same reason I'd like to see an Amiga OS on Gamecube?
Oh and when you mentioned other potenital platforms in my thread, I called them off-topic because they either weren't PPC or weren't cheap. Just to set the record straight.
coldfish: I understand the fun aspect of using the 'cube as a hobby box, and hats-off for being inquisitive and exploring, but it really isn't the solution to next-gen Amiga computing.
My biggest problem with Lou in that "other" thread, is that he was touting the machine as a next-gen system to run OS4. As the bad comments began to roll in, he changed his argument to suggest that it would be an improvement over the classic line of Amigas, and could run AROS, which already runs on very cheap and diverse PC hardware. However, he still compares the price of a modded Gamecube you have to build yourself to a brand new AmigaOne. Obviously, not a very fair technical or functional comparrison by any means.
Your real problem is that your sole existance for posting on this site is to attack even the most obscure points of any statement I make. You really need to leave the sticks of Bellingham more often.
In my thread, I always said I would prefer a licensed product. A licensed product that could include an inexpensive addon (though if Eyetech make it, it would cost as much as an A1) similar to the Gameboy Player that gave you the intefaces the GC naturally lacks such as USB or IDE.
I love how you take individual comments and regurgitate them out of context (and out of topic for this thread) to paint your skewed picture of me here. You put words in my mouth saying I have a problem with 360 or PS3 developers. I said no such thing. Articles I and others have posted clearly state that optimizing 3rd party software that will be released on all machines will not happen. Only exclusive titles will have optimization
at first.
Now people can see why right away in this thread I called you an I.A.C. - I already knew what you were trying to do. You want to critisize my AOS on GC idea, do it on my thread. The topic here is PS3 - XBox 360 - Revolution. By the way, as these are PPC platforms they are "on-topic" in my thread. However, I don't consider the 360 and PS3 as absolutely affordable for the sake of installing a hobbyist OS...word's still out on Revolution.
And that's what you don't understand. If people want to shell out $500-$1000, they want to get their money's worth. No one is going to do that for something unproved like OS4. $200 - maybe, $500 - not worth it. So as getting the GC to be a computer is a hobby and can be done inexpensively, that is the main point of my thread. This is further made a possibility by Hyperion's own statements on the new website.
When I first started that thread, it was just an idea.
JUST AN IDEAThen the idea was attacked right away by trolls such as you. I did some research and over time came up with possibilities and solutions to counteract most of the criticisms. In the end, I believe I have succeeded.
I went out bought some good CHEAP parts:
$12 ps/2 keyboard adapter for Gamecube (new from ebay)
$50 mod chip (qoob Pro, new from
www.modchipworld.com )
$23 broad band adapter (used on ebay)
and installed Linux on my Gamecube. Nobody paid me to do it. I am not trying to make money from it. I did it just to say "if this can work why not some form of AOS?"
I also went out and bought a Super Smash Bothers bundled Gamecube. Why? Because I wanted Super Smash Bros Melee and knew that my Rev A Gamecube was worth more than the one included in the bundle. If I messed up that, I could always return it. You can knock me for that, whatever, it's just plain smart shopping. So take out the cost of a game I wanted to buy anyway (as it's the #1 selling game on the Gamecube - period) and a
new Gamecube cost me $79.
$164 total for a "hobby" is something I didn't mind doing. If I had to spend much more than that - would it have been worth it? If I had bought an A1, I'd have a $1000 PPC Linux system. I'd much rather have a $164 PPC Linux system.
By the way, in my thread, I asked if you were a descent solderer and asked to you come by and install my mod chip for me. You declined. Now, are you going to say I have no proof that Linux is able to run on one of my Gamecubes because you've never seen it? You can take the 40 minute drive from Bellingham to Fall River and I will boot into Linux for you in the 5 seconds that it takes from the time I turn on my Gamecube.
