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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: mrmoonlight on November 24, 2014, 07:59:19 PM
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Hi, just got hold of a Amiga 2000 off eBay and I am really made up ,but I have to say I know nothing about them ,never the less it maybe a challenge to see if I can with help get it working ok and ask if any one knows much about them, here's a few pics ,best wishes Brian.:):)
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first thing to do is remove that green leaking battery off the board. it looks like it is fuzzy and ever day left on it will cause more damage. the machine will operate fine without the battery.
We need some more information as to what the machine is or is not doing to help you.
After removing the battery take some close up pics of that area.
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Nice! Looks like a decent system with some upgrades already. A2000's can be a lot of fun. +1 to get rid of that battery! :hammer:
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first thing to do is remove that green leaking battery off the board. it looks like it is fuzzy and ever day left on it will cause more damage. the machine will operate fine without the battery.
We need some more information as to what the machine is or is not doing to help you.
After removing the battery take some close up pics of that area.
Hi it is still in transit at the moment but I I could see by the pic there was a problem with battery but the seller said it had been replaced about 8yrs ago ,and I was told the unit light lit up but there were no monitor on it so ,I am only guessing at the moment that there will be other problems any way here's the pic .
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Nice! Looks like a decent system with some upgrades already. A2000's can be a lot of fun. +1 to get rid of that battery! :hammer:
Hi I cant tell what is a upgrade and what is not lol knowing nothing about it ,here's the battery I was told it was replaced about 8 yrs ago
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If you want a battery on there, you should replace it with something like this:
http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=1093
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If you want a battery on there, you should replace it with something like this:
http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=1093
Hi thank you for advice but if the Amiga will still work without the battery
I don't really want to try soldering a new one to the motherboard,lol
is it easy to remove the battery without damaging any thing ,best wishes Brian.:)
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Here's some of the updates
its been upgraded to Kickstart 3.1 and it still has its factory fitted Commodore SCSI card complete with an old Apple SCSI HDD which I think has Workbench 3.5, it also has a SCSI CD drive installed, the cable is dissconcted
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Thats a nickel–metal hydride battery already so no need to remove or replace at this time. Looks fine to me.
The original batteries were Ni Cad and leaked badly.
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Thats a nickel–metal hydride battery already so no need to remove or replace at this time. Looks fine to me.
The original batteries were Ni Cad and leaked badly.
Well that's good news lol
truly grateful my friend, best wishes Brian.:):):):)
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Thats a nickel–metal hydride battery already so no need to remove or replace at this time. Looks fine to me.
The original batteries were Ni Cad and leaked badly.
Nimh has the same exact problem as nicads, they leak just the same and corrode just the same. They are not a fix for nicad.
Replacing it with something like oldsmobilemike said is the safe bet.
His battery does look ok thought, with the close up pic. Speckles on the board are probably from the old battery,
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Hi thank you for advice but if the Amiga will still work without the battery
I don't really want to try soldering a new one to the motherboard,lol
is it easy to remove the battery without damaging any thing ,best wishes Brian.:)
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Here's some of the updates
its been upgraded to Kickstart 3.1 and it still has its factory fitted Commodore SCSI card complete with an old Apple SCSI HDD which I think has Workbench 3.5, it also has a SCSI CD drive installed, the cable is dissconcted
Looks like a nice machine, i suspect it will work fine when you get it.
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It does look like a nice machine. I too, use an A2000. But do get a new battery ASAP.
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When I replaced my battery I soldered a CD audio cable with 1 end cut off and put the battery on a small board with connector pins on it, then mounted it behind the LED's, no ISA slot used so fits great and I can remove it easy for replacement, no removing the motherboard!
Chris
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When I replaced my battery I soldered a CD audio cable with 1 end cut off and put the battery on a small board with connector pins on it, then mounted it behind the LED's, no ISA slot used so fits great and I can remove it easy for replacement, no removing the motherboard!
Chris
Thanks very much and that sounds a very good way of making things a lot easer ,best wishes Brian.:)
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When I replaced my battery I soldered a CD audio cable with 1 end cut off and put the battery on a small board with connector pins on it, then mounted it behind the LED's, no ISA slot used so fits great and I can remove it easy for replacement, no removing the motherboard!
Chris
why not use a cr2032 socket with a diode and lithium battery, they don't leak and you can replace it easily. I hate to see it,but people still insist on installing nicads,nimh and or alkalines,and even off the board these can do damage because they can outgas when they leak and still corrode components. I say remove the threat entirely.
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why not use a cr2032 socket with a diode and lithium battery, they don't leak and you can replace it easily. I hate to see it,but people still insist on installing nicads,nimh and or alkalines,and even off the board these can do damage because they can outgas when they leak and still corrode components. I say remove the threat entirely.
Couldn't agree more.
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Thanks for the closeup of the battery, but if you look at the area where the "green" covering meets the metal, you will see a white powder; now either your battery is snorting cocaine, or you see the white salt of corrosion.
My vote is for the latter. Please note that that battery is a 3.6V and the coin cells are 3V; added to that the diode removes about 0.3 to 0.4 volts and if you want your clock keeping time, you should get a new 3.6V (unlikely to leak) battery (from AmigaKit). Removing it is simple if you don't plan to replace it, just clip the three legs.
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Hi I have a few cables that I am not sure where they go ,can any one tell me where the two loose cables should go ,I know there was a accelerator but that was removed ,and I notice there is no power cable connected to the hard drive ,as any one any idea please , these are the sellers instructions
you will have to fit the SCSI cable back on to the commodore scsi card and the led for the scsi card, everything's there ready but I unplugged it all as it was originally on the accelerator card, I simply put the scsi hard drive back on its original place.
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Uh, do you see the 50-pin "header" right next to the hard drive? The one labeled CN6 with a "1" at the bottom; this is the SCSI controller connector. There should be a power connector for the hard drive as well that says, "power." A short 2 to 3 inch cable used to connect the CN6 to the SCSI connector on the hard drive and a short power connector with two female ends connected the one below the CN6 to the hard drives power.
Does this seem plausible?
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OH, nice flowery table cloth, by the way.
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You're killing me, man. ;) Since I happen to have an A2091 sitting right next to me on my shelf, I made the attached picture for you. Plug the 50-pin ribbon cable into the 50-pin header on the board, and the 3-pin power LED cable into the 3-pin power header on the board. As @danbeaver said the 50-pin cable should only go one way, you'll want to match pin 1 to pin 1 on the cable (usually red). The LED cable can go either way. If for some reason it doesn't work, try flipping it around.
The power cable is the four-pin molex connector. It can only plug in one way and should be obvious.
I hope this helps, my hope and prayer is that maybe someday everyone will start using the built-in forum tools to attach pictures, instead of linking to external sites. Sorry, pet peeve of mine. ;)
Hopefully there's no accelerator-specific software on that hard drive that will prevent it from booting with the accelerator removed. You'll probably want to format it and do a fresh OS install, anyway. Good luck!
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OMG! Is he (are you) feeding power INTO the A2091 card? Don't do that, it takes power from the bus to supply the hard drive.
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Uh, do you see the 50-pin "header" right next to the hard drive? The one labeled CN6 with a "1" at the bottom; this is the SCSI controller connector. There should be a power connector for the hard drive as well that says, "power." A short 2 to 3 inch cable used to connect the CN6 to the SCSI connector on the hard drive and a short power connector with two female ends connected the one below the CN6 to the hard drives power.
Does this seem plausible?
Hi thanks I cant get a power connector on to the hard drive because there's not enough room ,is it just the six screws that hold the hard drive in place as I need to remove it to gain access to it ?
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Yep, you have to loosen the hard drive from the board to attach the power cable (and you may have to trim the plastic Molex connector to fit); kinda the same for the SCSI connector, but the card is self contained: power comes from the card (via the Zorro bus) to the HDD, and the SCSI connects directly the the HDD's.
Longer cables are used to add other other devices to the card, while the external 25-pin D-Connector adds external SCSI devices.
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You're killing me, man. ;) Since I happen to have an A2091 sitting right next to me on my shelf, I made the attached picture for you. Plug the 50-pin ribbon cable into the 50-pin header on the board, and the 3-pin power LED cable into the 3-pin power header on the board. As @danbeaver said the 50-pin cable should only go one way, you'll want to match pin 1 to pin 1 on the cable (usually red). The LED cable can go either way. If for some reason it doesn't work, try flipping it around.
The power cable is the four-pin molex connector. It can only plug in one way and should be obvious.
I hope this helps, my hope and prayer is that maybe someday everyone will start using the built-in forum tools to attach pictures, instead of linking to external sites. Sorry, pet peeve of mine. ;)
Hopefully there's no accelerator-specific software on that hard drive that will prevent it from booting with the accelerator removed. You'll probably want to format it and do a fresh OS install, anyway. Good luck!
Hi I have installed the 50 pin ribbon cable and the led ,does that look ok
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Well, yes, pretty much; but I don't see the power supply to the hard drive.
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Well, yes, pretty much; but I don't see the power supply to the hard drive.
lol , yes I am going to move the hard drive so I can connect the power cable
and can I ask again about the power socket just below the 50 pin header do I need to put a power supply in that as well ,
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:laughing:Interesting Card from your PhotoBucket site; have only a few relatives?
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lol , yes I am going to move the hard drive so I can connect the power cable
and can I ask again about the power socket just below the 50 pin header do I need to put a power supply in that as well ,
NO! It is there to supply power TO the Hard Drive.
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NO! It is there to supply power TO the Hard Drive.
Hi I have a three inch cable female is that the one that goes between the two
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:laughing:Interesting Card from your PhotoBucket site; have only a few relatives?
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LOL you have a good chuckle my friend lol
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Three inches sounds right -- it is female-to-female; to the best of my knowledge, that is the only card with such an odd power (cable) arrangement.
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Three inches sounds right -- it is female-to-female; to the best of my knowledge, that is the only card with such an odd power (cable) arrangement.
I have the short cable connected as pic and it goes in to the power connector on the hd,does that look ok,sorry could not get a good pic of where the other end is going but it is going into the 4 pin power on the hd(http://i730.photobucket.com/albums/ww301/scarrabri/c6006b1e-4eb4-45ca-b8d5-2ffba4f624d6_zps7a9f217b.jpg) (http://s730.photobucket.com/user/scarrabri/media/c6006b1e-4eb4-45ca-b8d5-2ffba4f624d6_zps7a9f217b.jpg.html)
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Yes, that should work. You plug the 4-pin connector on the board directly into the 4-pin connector on the hard drive, the shorter the cable the better. As an alternative I believe you could power the hard drive directly from the A2000's PSU and plug NOTHING into the connector on the board, this is if you didn't have the special Female-to-Female cable.
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Yes, that should work. You plug the 4-pin connector on the board directly into the 4-pin connector on the hard drive, the shorter the cable the better. As an alternative I believe you could power the hard drive directly from the A2000's PSU and plug NOTHING into the connector on the board, this is if you didn't have the special Female-to-Female cable.
Thanks ever so much for all the help ,I do not have the monitor cable until
sat so I cant try it properly but I did give a quick boot and she started and all the drives were working as I could see them flashing and hear them so hopefully all seems well ,again a huge thanks to every one ,best wishes Brian.:):):):)
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Three inches sounds right -- it is female-to-female; to the best of my knowledge, that is the only card with such an odd power (cable) arrangement.
Thanks for persevering my friend ,I cant try the monitor until the cable arrives but she fired up and all the drives were doing there job so hopefully all is well ,I will let you know when monitor is connected ,but again many thanks ,very best wishes Brian.:laughing:
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Hi the monitor cable came today ,so I installed that and fired the Amiga up ,the floppy is working ,not sure about the HD and I have a whiteish screen ,I have disconnected the hd cables ,just to see if I can get the boot screen and again nothing but white screen and after that I am running out of ideas ,Brian
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Remove all the cards and try again. You should get the "Insert Workbench" disk, at least. If you're using a 1084 or similar, you sure you have it set correctly? Try via composite output, perhaps?
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Remove all the cards and try again. You should get the "Insert Workbench" disk, at least. If you're using a 1084 or similar, you sure you have it set correctly? Try via composite output, perhaps?
Hi I do get a poor pic if I use composite output ,but it is very poor ,and I am sure every think is set ok as far as I can tell ,as for removing the cards there doesn't seem much more to remove ,but will take anther look after work, thanks again, Brian.
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So it boots and you're able to see the Workbench screen when it's connected via composite cable? Are you sure whatever monitor you're using is working 100%?
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So it boots and you're able to see the Workbench screen when it's connected via composite cable? Are you sure whatever monitor you're using is working 100%?
Hi yes I can see the workbench but it would not be possible to use it because of the poor picture,but I am only using the composite cable' and yes it booted fine.
The monitor is connected to two other Amiga computers by a switchable socket and work well,which I removed whilst testing the Amiga 2000 so that one was on its own, I have contacted the seller about the cable and he informs me that the cable was the original for the A2000 and really would be better if I had the other cable which is for the A2000 but has resistor's built in and is the latest one and may give better results ,thanks again, Brian.
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Yes, that should work. You plug the 4-pin connector on the board directly into the 4-pin connector on the hard drive, the shorter the cable the better. As an alternative I believe you could power the hard drive directly from the A2000's PSU and plug NOTHING into the connector on the board, this is if you didn't have the special Female-to-Female cable.
Off the subject, but i see you keep saying "the shorter the better" on the scsi cable, on scsi1 the cable length is allowed to be 3 meters,so figure over 9feet is acceptable. I have used everything from 1ft to 7foot cables with tons of devices and they all work fine. SCSI 1 is quite forgiving and works well. proper termination is important on any scsi.
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Off the subject, but i see you keep saying "the shorter the better" on the scsi cable, on scsi1 the cable length is allowed to be 3 meters,so figure over 9feet is acceptable. I have used everything from 1ft to 7foot cables with tons of devices and they all work fine. SCSI 1 is quite forgiving and works well. proper termination is important on any scsi.
I was referring to the 4-pin connector running power from the A2091 card to the drive. Wouldn't you say "the shorter the better" on that, too? Not to mention he's not going to want a 9' long cable coiled up inside his A2000, LOL! :roflmao:
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I'm still having a really hard time figuring out what this user's problem is, anyway. It sounds to me like his A2000 works fine, just he's received a dodgy video cable from some ebay seller. IMHO I would just try the Amiga with one of the known-good cables from one of his other systems to verify it's working correctly. This discussion on resistors in monitor cables came up in another thread, I've never seen anyone needing those.
Maybe I just need more coffee. ;)
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So it boots and you're able to see the Workbench screen when it's connected via composite cable? Are you sure whatever monitor you're using is working 100%?
Hi I have the right skart cable installed now and have a fab pic of floopy drive pic, so put the install disc in and found its not recognising the hard drive lol so does that mean I need to buy another harddrive?
ps yes I did try one off my 1200 only I was not sure if I could do this ,but the other skart works ,but Nothing from the HD
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I'm assuming you don't have any other system you can test the hard drive in? It's possible that the hard drive failed (often happens due to age, being jostled in shipment, etc.). What ROM version does the A2000 have in it? Do you have a Workbench install disk with HDToolbox on it? The Workbench 3.1 Install disk works fabulous for this if the system has a 3.1 ROM. ;)
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I'm assuming you don't have any other system you can test the hard drive in? It's possible that the hard drive failed (often happens due to age, being jostled in shipment, etc.). What ROM version does the A2000 have in it? Do you have a Workbench install disk with HDToolbox on it? The Workbench 3.1 Install disk works fabulous for this if the system has a 3.1 ROM. ;)
Hi I only have a A1200 and a A600 and the rom I will have to find where it is lol but I know a rom when I see one ,and I have the new 3.1 disks from Amigakit and I have tried the workbench install disc and HDToolbox and it shows no drives , there is one good thing and that is it plays floppy games brilliant and I am right pleased ,so its off to find the Rom and then a hd drive ,thanks very much best wishes Brian.
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Hi I only have a A1200 and a A600 and the rom I will have to find where it is lol but I know a rom when I see one ,and I have the new 3.1 disks from Amigakit and I have tried the workbench install disc and HDToolbox and it shows no drives , there is one good thing and that is it plays floppy games brilliant and I am right pleased ,so its off to find the Rom and then a hd drive ,thanks very much best wishes Brian.
ps and yes the rom is 3.1 40.063
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Great! Do you have a 3.1 Install disk? Does the drive not show up at all when you run HDToolbox?
I'm thinking if the drive doesn't show up at all it's possible that it might still be saved. Check that it's spinning up, and you'll need to check your cables and termination.
Alternatively SCSI drives are pretty cheap still on ebay, you might pick up a small one just to test with.
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Great! Do you have a 3.1 Install disk? Does the drive not show up at all when you run HDToolbox?
I'm thinking if the drive doesn't show up at all it's possible that it might still be saved. Check that it's spinning up, and you'll need to check your cables and termination.
Alternatively SCSI drives are pretty cheap still on ebay, you might pick up a small one just to test with.
Hi no its not spinning up and I have checked all the cables and no it does not show up on HDToolbox lol do I have to look for any thing in particle concerning the HD like how many pins etc
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Well, I'm no expert in Amiga SCSI by a long shot, but I'd start with checking termination. I recall you said there as an accelerator in there but it had been removed, so things might be a little screwy. I'd check that your ribbon cable is hooked up something like this:
A2091 ---> Hard drive ---> CD drive.
Obviously check that pin 1 on the cable goes to pin 1 on the devices, then check the jumpers on those two devices. There should be one for termination on the hard drive and it should be off. There should be one on the CD drive and it should be on. In other words, you'll want to terminate the last device on the chain. So if your cable is going the other way around (i.e., connected to the CD drive first and then the hard drive) you'd terminate on the HD.
It gets a lot more complicated than that if you need to throw in active or passive terminators, etc., wait for someone with more knowledge to chime in if you need that kind of stuff.
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Wait, you said the hard drive is not spinning up? You have the power connector plugged in the right way? Try powering it directly off the A2000 PSU?
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Wait, you said the hard drive is not spinning up? You have the power connector plugged in the right way? Try powering it directly off the A2000 PSU?
Hi I powered up directly from psu and again nothing and cant see any thing to change on Harddrive ,but will have to have look again in the morning as my eyes are failing with lack of sleep ,thanks so very much for all the help I really appreciated it very best wishes Brian.:):):)
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If it is not spinning up at all with real power applied, then it is probably dead; some would say to bang it against something hard to see if that works, but regardless, it is dead or near dead.
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I was referring to the 4-pin connector running power from the A2091 card to the drive. Wouldn't you say "the shorter the better" on that, too? Not to mention he's not going to want a 9' long cable coiled up inside his A2000, LOL! :roflmao:
HAH i should pay better attention.. i'd pay a dollar to see a 9ft cable coiled up inside tho .:rofl:
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If it is not spinning up at all with real power applied, then it is probably dead; some would say to bang it against something hard to see if that works, but regardless, it is dead or near dead.
Hi I used the psu power lead directly ,the same one that powers the cd player and no not a murmur unless its ultra quite lol so we have a shop close by who deals in second hand Harddrives and I will go have a chat with him latter , but apart from that I had a few hours playing games on her last night and really good fun it was too, even if it was by using floppy's, quite responsive and a joy to use ,I also have to say this is where
Amiga org shines because folk like me who only have a limited amount of knowledge would be left at the starting post so thank you Amiga org ,very best wishes Brian.:):):)
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Hi I had the Harddrive tested and sure enough it is completely dead ,but after having a closer look at this IBM DSAS-3540 84G8396 Apple ROM 350MB 3.5" 50 Pin SCSI Hard Drive 661-0219 A I am beginning to wonder if its worth fitting one as 350mb is not very much unless the Amiga 2000 will take more and are there any more different makes that will fit that some one might recommend and have model number to go with it as there are not many options in the uk but seems more in the usa
Best wishes Brian.
Bars and Pipes ,the A2000 sure plays a merry tune
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Hi Brian
You do have an A2091 HD SCSI interface, right?
Anyway, Quantum may be the easiest brand of hard drive to find. I think Macintosh used these almost exclusively. They range in capacity from a low of about 20MB (rare) upto about 4GB. 4GB is a sort of a default ceiling for Amigas, but there are ways to make larger HDs work. OTOH, 4GB is a virtual ocean of capacity because Amiga files are small and tight compared to modern machines. In truth, a usuable system can be had with any drive greater than about 100MB (room for the OS, a few dozen favorite Apps, and space for some user files). YMMV.
In addition, Quantum drives kept their jumper option scheme pretty simple. There were usually 3 jumpers to determine SCSI address (0 thru 6) and 1 labeled TE (Terminal Enable, set for the last drive in the chain). That's about it. Other manufacturers often included a mind-numbing selection of other jumpers that had to be set correctly to work. It was often difficult to find published Amiga HD requirements versus the options on the drive (parity, error checking, delayed spin, terminal power, etc) :)
I would guess that about any 50-pin SCSI drive less than 4GB made by Quantum should be pretty painless, provided it still functions.
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Hi Brian
You do have an A2091 HD SCSI interface, right?
Anyway, Quantum may be the easiest brand of hard drive to find. I think Macintosh used these almost exclusively. They range in capacity from a low of about 20MB (rare) upto about 4GB. 4GB is a sort of a default ceiling for Amigas, but there are ways to make larger HDs work. OTOH, 4GB is a virtual ocean of capacity because Amiga files are small and tight compared to modern machines. In truth, a usuable system can be had with any drive greater than about 100MB (room for the OS, a few dozen favorite Apps, and space for some user files). YMMV.
In addition, Quantum drives kept their jumper option scheme pretty simple. There were usually 3 jumpers to determine SCSI address (0 thru 6) and 1 labeled TE (Terminal Enable, set for the last drive in the chain). That's about it. Other manufacturers often included a mind-numbing selection of other jumpers that had to be set correctly to work. It was often difficult to find published Amiga HD requirements versus the options on the drive (parity, error checking, delayed spin, terminal power, etc) :)
I would guess that about any 50-pin SCSI drive less than 4GB made by Quantum should be pretty painless, provided it still functions.
Hi and thanks ever so much for the info and yes I have a A2091 HD SCSI interface and real glad you mentioned a few possibilities because I have seen a few Quantum drives on Ebay and that's where I am heading next
and bit by bit my A2000 is getting better so I am well pleased and grateful to you for your help ,very best wishes Brian.:):):)
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Hi I managed to buy this off ebay I hope its the right one
Quantum - SE21S011 - 2.1GB SCSI 50PIN 5400RPM 3.5" Hard Drive (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/361096154657?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT) ( 361096154657 )
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Hi I managed to buy this off ebay I hope its the right one
Quantum - SE21S011 - 2.1GB SCSI 50PIN 5400RPM 3.5" Hard Drive (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/361096154657?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT) ( 361096154657 )
Looks good to me, especially if it works.
Now, you have to decide whether to partition or not. If yes, how many partitions and what should their purpose be? Which is your favorite file system? There are worse problems. ;)
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File system is user's choice but, on such a small drive I would just go with FFS. As far as partitions go, again being only 2GB, I would suggest creating only 2 partitions. One named SYSTEM and one named WORK. Create a partition NO bigger than 512MB for SYSTEM! Trust me on this one! :)
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Looks good to me, especially if it works.
Now, you have to decide whether to partition or not. If yes, how many partitions and what should their purpose be? Which is your favorite file system? There are worse problems. ;)
Hey please tell me you are joking lol because I was going to partition it exactly like my A1200 and A600 but using one less partition ,so it would be
350mb for workbench
350mb for work
and what evers left over Games/music lol and you are going to tell me I cant do that lol and another thing has just crossed my mind how do I get some of the larger files in to my Amiga unless the cd player that's fitted will accept a disc made up on my A1200 and I can transfer them that way ,or is that a no no lol ,thanks again for your help ,very best wishes Brian.
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File system is user's choice but, on such a small drive I would just go with FFS. As far as partitions go, again being only 2GB, I would suggest creating only 2 partitions. One named SYSTEM and one named WORK. Create a partition NO bigger than 512MB for SYSTEM! Trust me on this one! :)
Hi, I have a new set of os 3.1 which I was going to use lol as they are new ,and do you call system what I call workbench?,Brian:laughing:
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File system has to do with how data is handled on the HD.
Chris
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Hi, I have a new set of os 3.1 which I was going to use lol as they are new ,and do you call system what I call workbench?,Brian:laughing:
Ha,ha... yes, what you call your "WORKBENCH" partition, I call "SYSTEM" (of course you could name it "GreenSqueekyFarts" if you wanted. :rofl: Not to be confused with "File System" of course being FFS, SFS, Etc... But, you already know all this!!! LOL
As far as transferring large files: NO USB / NO Ethernet / NO Serial/Parallel Link = CD/RW. :(
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Indeed, I've been known to name it "Warning" To keep out friends that think they know computers.
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Hey please tell me you are joking lol because I was going to partition it exactly like my A1200 and A600 but using one less partition ,so it would be
350mb for workbench
350mb for work
and what evers left over Games/music lol and you are going to tell me I cant do that lol
Do you use directory utilities like Dopus, DirWork, Ordering, etc? Keeping the same hard drive partitioning conventions across multiple Amigas may allow you to NOT have to maintain unique Dopus config files for each machine. This tactic helps prevent varied startup-sequences, too.
Some other thoughts:
If you are tempted to try some system enhancements (BetterWB, icon schemes, etc), you may find it useful to make several 100MB partitions as alternate Workbench boot partitions. If you try a package, but, later decide you don't like it, you can swap the boot priorities and use the alternate partition to boot. This can serve as a safety net for experimentation and a back-up plan, too.
Also, small partitions can be a useful place to send temporary browser files, email files, etc without junking up your application or system partition.
Many install scripts look for a partition named WORK:. Upon finding it, some that are poorly written decide how the installation is to be organized without much user input. If this bother you, don't name any partition WORK. If they can't find WORK:, install scripts then become more interactive with the user.
and another thing has just crossed my mind how do I get some of the larger files in to my Amiga unless the cd player that's fitted will accept a disc made up on my A1200 and I can transfer them that way ,or is that a no no lol ,thanks again for your help ,very best wishes Brian.
CDs certainly work. Also, Zip disks can be useful to move files between Amigas and other platforms. It is easy to find Zip drives that have either SCSI, IDE, and USB interfaces. A PC formatted Zip disk doesn't care which interface it is. :)
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Ha,ha... yes, what you call your "WORKBENCH" partition, I call "SYSTEM" (of course you could name it "GreenSqueekyFarts" if you wanted. :rofl: Not to be confused with "File System" of course being FFS, SFS, Etc... But, you already know all this!!! LOL
LOL
Hey gizmo you must be confusing me with some one
who knows what the hell he is doing ,where as
its more like monkey see ,monkey do.
but the Amiga 2000 will live again
believe you me .lol
my many thanks to you Brian.:):):):):):):):):):):)
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Indeed, I've been known to name it "Warning" To keep out friends that think they know computers.
LOL
Calling it warning just reminded me of this http://youtu.be/jfh-YY465HA where the Robot
kept saying warning,warning and this was years ago when I were a lad
nothing to do with A2000 but we in England loved this show LOL
LOST IN SPACE LOL best wishes Brian:laughing: oops after watching the clip I don't think he said warning as much as I thought, but still a great show .
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LOL
Calling it warning just reminded me of this http://youtu.be/jfh-YY465HA where the Robot
kept saying warning,warning and this was years ago when I were a lad
nothing to do with A2000 but we in England loved this show LOL
LOST IN SPACE LOL best wishes Brian:laughing: oops after watching the clip I don't think he said warning as much as I thought, but still a great show .
Strange! MeTV was showing the premier episode of Lost in Space (in Black and White!) while I was typing the message above. I like DR. Smith better as villian rather than a coward.
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Strange! MeTV was showing the premier episode of Lost in Space (in Black and White!) while I was typing the message above. I like DR. Smith better as villian rather than a coward.
Hi and yes but if I was the Robot I would have zapped DR. Smith years ago lol. best wishes Brian.:):)
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LOL
Calling it warning just reminded me of this http://youtu.be/jfh-YY465HA where the Robot
kept saying warning,warning and this was years ago when I were a lad
nothing to do with A2000 but we in England loved this show LOL
LOST IN SPACE LOL best wishes Brian:laughing: oops after watching the clip I don't think he said warning as much as I thought, but still a great show .
Lol, used to watch them every week when I was a lad myself. Great old stuff!
Chris
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Lol, used to watch them every week when I was a lad myself. Great old stuff!
Chris
Hi Chris, great old stuff indeed ,you know I am sure we used to watch it in Black and White and all the family would crowd around this old battered tv and my Father would keep banging on the top of it to keep it going, and:) wow it sounds like a Amiga doesn't it ,they were wonderful days and now back to my Amiga lol very best wishes Brian. :):):):)
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I always remember watching this a kid on a Sunday afternoon after Sunday dinner along with little house on the prairie, land of the giants etc.. oh the good old days :)
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Watched that one and the other king of disaster shows "Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea"
Irwin Allen used to make a bunch of the stuff in the day.
Chris
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Watched that one and the other king of disaster shows "Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea"
Irwin Allen used to make a bunch of the stuff in the day.
Chris
Wow where did all the good programs go ,I loved "Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea", and now in the uk we get cooking programs and folk in the jungle eating disgusting creepy crawlers ,yuk .:):):)
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Wow where did all the good programs go ,I loved "Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea", and now in the uk we get cooking programs and folk in the jungle eating disgusting creepy crawlers ,yuk .:):):)
Your Dr Who is a big hit over here, the new episodes and Retro is currently on the 3rd Doctor.
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Hi finally got the new/old harddrive and turned the Amiga on with the A1200 install disc inserted but still there is no hard drive showing ,I don't know if its any thing to do with the wires for the hd led lights and power led lights not being connected I don't know because I never disconnected them so I am not sure which wires go on to each set of three connectors
the top pic is to the hd led light wires and the bottom pic is to the Power led lights wires any help please , I can also hear the hardrive working but it seems to be spinning very fast .
(http://i730.photobucket.com/albums/ww301/scarrabri/3e729728-32a5-475b-b06a-87e968e96e00_zpsf3ba3c20.jpg) (http://s730.photobucket.com/user/scarrabri/media/3e729728-32a5-475b-b06a-87e968e96e00_zpsf3ba3c20.jpg.html)
(http://i730.photobucket.com/albums/ww301/scarrabri/015_zps190fd084.jpg) (http://s730.photobucket.com/user/scarrabri/media/015_zps190fd084.jpg.html)
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If you pull off the LED housing you can see which wires are connected to which LED. Just squeeze it a little and tug. Wait, that sounds naughty. :p
AFAIK you won't hurt anything by hooking them up backwards, but these not being connected won't stop your hard drive from being identified by HDToolbox. When you start HDToolbox, does it say anything like "scanning scsi.device"? Are the tooltypes for HDToolbox set for the right device?
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If you pull off the LED housing you can see which wires are connected to which LED. Just squeeze it a little and tug. Wait, that sounds naughty. :p
AFAIK you won't hurt anything by hooking them up backwards, but these not being connected won't stop your hard drive from being identified by HDToolbox. When you start HDToolbox, does it say anything like "scanning scsi.device"? Are the tooltypes for HDToolbox set for the right device?
Hi it said nothing about scanning ,and I am not really sure what Are the tooltypes for HDToolbox set for the right device?[/ or how to check, all I can say is the installer is 3.1 which I use on my A1200
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Hi it said nothing about scanning ,and I am not really sure what Are the tooltypes for HDToolbox set for the right device?[/ or how to check, all I can say is the installer is 3.1 which I use on my A1200
If you right-click and get Icons -> Information for HDToolbox, what does it say? I don't have a 3.1 system handy right now, but I do have some 3.1 install disks. See attached picture:
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If you right-click and get Icons -> Information for HDToolbox, what does it say? I don't have a 3.1 system handy right now, but I do have some 3.1 install disks. See attached picture:
Hi if this is it ,then it said HD Tools draw readable, writable executable , delectable and nothing at all in the big box
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Hi if this is it ,then it said HD Tools draw readable, writable executable , delectable and nothing at all in the big box
oops sorry it said SCSI DEVICE NAME =scsi.device
SCSI MAX ADDRESS=6
SCSI-LUN=7
XT-NAME= XT
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Well, that sounds like the right settings in HDToolbox, then. I hate to say it, but have you triple-checked the termination on your SCSI device chain? Try unplugging everything but the hard drive and putting the termination jumper on that drive.
Edit: Check the jumpers on your A2091, as well. What are they set to? And what's the ROM version?
Jumpers should match this card, assuming you have the same amount of memory: http://amiga.resource.cx/photos/photo2.pl?id=a2091&pg=1&res=hi&lang=en
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Well, that sounds like the right settings in HDToolbox, then. I hate to say it, but have you triple-checked the termination on your SCSI device chain? Try unplugging everything but the hard drive and putting the termination jumper on that drive.
Edit: Check the jumpers on your A2091, as well. What are they set to? And what's the ROM version?
Hi on the HD it said TE, AO,AI,A2
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Hi on the HD it said TE, AO,AI,A2
Without googling the specific model of hard drive you have (which is something you could do), I'm going to assume TE is Termination. Run your SCSI cable between just the hard drive controller and the hard drive. Disconnect your CD drive. Put a jumper on TE. What you've gotta do is simplify your system down to one device. Get it working with one device, then try adding additional devices.
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Without googling the specific model of hard drive you have (which is something you could do), I'm going to assume TE is Termination. Run your SCSI cable between just the hard drive controller and the hard drive. Disconnect your CD drive. Put a jumper on TE. What you've gotta do is simplify your system down to one device. Get it working with one device, then try adding additional devices.
OK thanks very much
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My popcorn guys don't indicate that I'm bored by this thread.... oh Contrare Monfrair! (HA! I'm sure I spelled that wrong!) Anyhoo... I love it when Brian has moments of epiphany! I love Amigapeeps learning and doing and achieving success! Your expert tutoring is awesome Mike! And a hearty "Hear Hear" to all the great Amigans that help here on AO! Love your posts Brian! Keep 'em rolling!
BTW, Happy Holidays All... the world over!!!!! I only want two things this year... a gallon of minty eggnog and a ride home!
I Don't NEEEEEEEEEEED to Drink!
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(http://wiki.urbandead.com/images/9/98/Popcorn.gif)
My popcorn guys don't indicate that I'm bored by this thread.... oh Contrare Monfrair! (HA! I'm sure I spelled that wrong!) Anyhoo... I love it when Brian has moments of epiphany! I love Amigapeeps learning and doing and achieving success! Your expert tutoring is awesome Mike! And a hearty "Hear Hear" to all the great Amigans that help here on AO! Love your posts Brian! Keep 'em rolling!
BTW, Happy Holidays All... the world over!!!!! I only want two things this year... a gallon of minty eggnog and a ride home!
I Don't NEEEEEEEEEEED to Drink!
Hi gizmo350 lol
I need to give Mike a rest so here's a question for you
After failing to find a Hardrive that shows up on my Amiga 2000 I have a idea ,what if I installed a Buddha and attached a CF card or a ide drive ,do you think that some thing may show up then? just maybe ,or do you think that I would be wasting my money .. lol because the show must go on.very best wishes Brian.:):laughing:
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Hi there Brian, well... I just bought a Buddha https://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=486 from AmigaKit. I haven't even got it out of the box yet. :( But it looks like they're out of stock at the moment. Maybe you could ask them if they have "just one more"... that's what I did and they had one! On my next order, I'm going to get one of these TruIDE bad boys... http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=42&products_id=1203 . So with that said, within the next couple of weeks I hope to get time to install the Buddha with a single CF IDE adapter in my A2000. But before that can happen I still need to source a LT1085CM3.3 3.3V voltage regulator and 3 SMD 1N4001 diodes to get my Blizzard 2040 upgraded to an 060 processor (already have the crystal and processor). So your idea is exactly what I'm going try out soon!
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Hi there Brian, well... I just bought a Buddha https://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=486 from AmigaKit. I haven't even got it out of the box yet. :( But it looks like they're out of stock at the moment. Maybe you ask them if the have "just one more"... that's what I did and they had one! On my next order, I'm going to get one of these TruIDE bad boys... http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=42&products_id=1203 . So with that said, within the next couple of weeks I hope to get time to install the Buddha with a single CF IDE adapter in my A2000. But before that can happen I still need to source a LT1085CM3.3 3.3V voltage regulator and 3 SMD 1N4001 diodes to get my Blizzard 2040 upgraded to an 060 processor (already have the crystal and processor). So your idea is exactly what I'm going try out soon!
Hi gizmo lol I spoke with Amigakit a few nights ago and they have a few that need a few problems sorting out and I should know if I can have one in a couple of weeks ,so here's hoping and good luck with yours my friend ,very best wishes Brian.:):):):):):):)
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Uh, yes, the Buddha IDE device will hook up a CF card or IDE hard drive for your A2000; your A2091 will work as well, but requires a bit more expertise. As an aside, not all CF cards report themselves to the IDE controller as "hard drives," and the TrueIDE device corrects this flaw making most all compatible.
As suggested above, a good search on the internet can retrieve more information than using a Zork-based adventure game of text questions and answers in a hardware forum.
http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/SCSI/SCSIExamples.html
http://www.geeks.com/techtips/2005/techtips-JUL21-05.htm
http://www.4drives.com/DRIVESPECS/QUANTUM/3301.txt
http://amiga.resource.cx/exp/a2091
(shown prior) --> http://amiga.resource.cx/photos/photo2.pl?id=a2091&pg=1&res=hi&lang=en
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It's a shame there's no more Amiga user's groups around, anymore. Am 100% confident that someone with more experience in SCSI could get your A2091 working perfectly in no time. But if you have money for an IDE solution, go for it. IDE is certainly (comparably) easier than SCSI.
@danbeaver - I love your comments lately. ;)
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As suggested above, a good search on the internet can retrieve more information than using a Zork-based adventure game of text questions and answers in a hardware forum.
I would certainly agree that "just throwing parts" at his A2000 won't give Brian any Einstein moments of brilliance but, when I got my A2000, the guy tossed in both an A2091 and a BOG GVP SCSI controller. I set the GVP aside and actually forgot about it for a while. I tried getting the A2091 going with several HDDs to no avail... and I know what I'm doing when it comes to SCSI. The A2091 was just so hit and miss with HDToolBox and HDInstTools. After remembering that I also had the GVP, I plugged it in, connected my HDD and the CD-RW, terminated, and bingo! It just worked! Been in there since ('cept when I tried out my BliZZZZ :)).
I would love to bust out my A2091 and an HDD and walk Brian thru the process but, if he already tried to get the drive recognized, connected by itself, without success... there may be more going here. Assuming he checked all the board jumpers, SCSI termination (terminate a single SCSI device? Hmmmm), and power connection. Did anyone ask him what ROM version he has? Huh, like Mike says though, there shouldn't be a problem.
But I digress, point is... I have a bunch of SCSI A2000 cards and love 'em but, I just love Amiga hardware and thought I would try out the Buddha for fun. Now, certainly your Zak McKracken theory can't object to that! :lol:
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It's a shame there's no more Amiga user's groups around, anymore. Am 100% confident that someone with more experience in SCSI could get your A2091 working perfectly in no time. But if you have money for an IDE solution, go for it. IDE is certainly (comparably) easier than SCSI.
@danbeaver - I love your comments lately. ;)
Hi I do thank you for all the help but I must have set every setting I can and I have checked and checked and looked at your pics which have the identical settings as the pics shown I have looked on the net and booted up with just the hard drive and changed the jumper setting and no joy,
so I will try another direction which might not be the right one ,but a Buddha and a TrueIDE device is my next step ,very best wishes Brian. ps there are 3.1 roms fitted
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Hi I do thank you for all the help but I must have set every setting I can and I have checked and checked and looked at your pics which have the identical settings as the pics shown I have looked on the net and booted up with just the hard drive and changed the jumper setting and no joy,
so I will try another direction which might not be the right one ,but a Buddha and a TrueIDE device is my next step ,very best wishes Brian. ps there are 3.1 roms fitted
i have been following along and just wanted to make sure of one thing.
Mrmoonlight, check for a jumper that says AUTO and DIS by it, it may not be easy to pick out in the picture. make sure the jumper block is set to auto side. if it is not the scsi device wont be loaded from rom and you wont be able to use the hd.
Another important thing, on scsi cables, always use the 2 end connectors, never leave a part of the cable hanging loose not connected to anything.
I am confident we can get this working without you having to buy more hardware(unless hardware is dead). scsi is really superb on lesser powered systems.
With the above correct, do you have a way to load sysinfo from a floppy and look in DEVICES to see if scsi.device is there?
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Here's one last dumb, probably obvious thought. Boot the Amiga while holding down both mouse buttons to enter Early Startup. Is the A2091 card detected there? Have you tried it in a different slot? Cleaned the edge connector? Made sure all the chips on it are properly seated? Same as the above suggestion with SysInfo: it should be able to detect the card also (to see if scsi.device is being loaded).
You never said what version ROM's were on the card. I vaguely seem to recall that you needed the latest A2091 ROM's for it to work under 3.1. Or this might've been that you needed the latest ROM's to use the card with an '040, my memory's a bit faded here, but again - a google search should straighten you out on that last bit. ;)
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Hi Brian
I sure hate to see you loose hope for your A2091.
I'll admit that SCSI has more of a learning curve than other interfaces, but, once you understand it, it pays off! The links Dan Beaver left (post #93) are excellent. The first 2 really layout everything an Amiga user needs to understand the SCSI topography and rules of the road. If something in those articles needs explanation, ask in this forum! The 2nd link also talks about the long life of SCSI hardware. This makes sense considering the age of some of my stuff, perhaps, made before companies had learned that most consumer hardware would be replaced in only a few years!
If I recall, the A2091 needs a newer rom (version 6.6 or 7.0 (newest)) to work with larger HDs and CD drives. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. Which Rom version on the A2091?
Finally, I recommended the Quantum drive because I have easily had the best luck configuring them. TE is Terminate Enable, jumper this ONLY IF the HD is physically the last drive at the end of your internal SCSI ribbon cable. On a HD only system, the Quantum HD has to be at the end of the ribbon cable. A0, A1, and A2 need no jumpers (The HD will then have a SCSI address of 0. The A2091 has default address of 7, I think. So, no conflicts.)
Lots of folks are pulling for you. Don't give up.
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If I recall, the A2091 needs a newer rom (version 6.6 or 7.0 (newest)) to work with larger HDs and CD drives. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. Which Rom version on the A2091?
Tencious, you are correct here... this is what I was asking earlier (but you said it much more clearly - as I would have rather said the same thing if I had a link to that fact) so thanks.
TE is Terminate Enable, jumper this ONLY IF the HD is physically the last drive at the end of your internal SCSI ribbon cable. On a HD only system, the Quantum HD has to be at the end of the ribbon cable. A0, A1, and A2 need no jumpers (The HD will then have a SCSI address of 0. The A2091 has default address of 7, I think. So, no conflicts.)
Correct again, as I alluded to (but in a less clear fashion) so thanks again.
I think if Brian were to break down the task to just the HDD and the Cable absolutely connected in the correct manner (with only the HDD attached - no need to jumper termination) and trying Mike and Mechy's suggestions we may be able to help Brian get a better picture of what's going on here and make a better informed decision going forward. However, if he wants to go in a different direction without any frustration, I feel that's up to him. But that's what makes Miggys fun!
Press on Brian! :)
PS... Hmmm, I should dig out my A2091 and check the ROM version as that may have well been my trouble with it too... and why the guy I bought my A2000 from tossed it in for free.
PSS... When I bought my A2000 it was in pieces and quit a mess... but it was cheap! :lol:
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I didn't say anything original. I just don't want him to loose hope. ;) The A2091 really is one of the better peripheral interfaces and it is a Commodore original, if that's important.
I started out with A500s and then A3000. When I later began updating my first A2000, I was put off by the fact that there was a Kickstart rom AND scsi controller (A2091) rom that had to be considered (usually non-issues with 500s and 3000s). After getting up to speed, the A2000s may now be my favorite everything-in-one box Amiga. My A500 and 3000 have sidecars, auxiliary boxes, and lots of cables and PSes to make complete systems.
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i have been following along and just wanted to make sure of one thing.
Mrmoonlight, check for a jumper that says AUTO and DIS by it, it may not be easy to pick out in the picture. make sure the jumper block is set to auto side. if it is not the scsi device wont be loaded from rom and you wont be able to use the hd.
Another important thing, on scsi cables, always use the 2 end connectors, never leave a part of the cable hanging loose not connected to anything.
I am confident we can get this working without you having to buy more hardware(unless hardware is dead). scsi is really superb on lesser powered systems.
With the above correct, do you have a way to load sysinfo from a floppy and look in DEVICES to see if scsi.device is there?
Hi if I move the jumper from DIS which is what it was set at,to Auto then the floppy drives don't work and the screen is blank but I can hear the HD
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I didn't say anything original. I just don't want him to loose hope. ;) The A2091 really is one of the better peripheral interfaces and it is a Commodore original, if that's important.
I started out with A500s and then A3000. When I later began updating my first A2000, I was put off by the fact that there was a Kickstart rom AND scsi controller (A2091) rom that had to be considered (usually non-issues with 500s and 3000s). After getting up to speed, the A2000s may now be my favorite everything-in-one box Amiga. My A500 and 3000 have sidecars, auxiliary boxes, and lots of cables and PSes to make complete systems.
Hi have no fear my friend ,it took me 5yrs to get my A1200 and A600 working well and surfing the net and they are now both magnificent machines to use and a great joy ,so I cant let the A2000 get away .,best wishes Brian.
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What happens when you set the board to auto with the hard drive and cable disconnected (nothing attached to the board)?
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The jumper should be on Auto. I suspect it was on DIS because the previous owner it was mentioned had an accelerator in there that the drives were connected to. I assume they disabled the SCSI boot function on the A2091 and were just using it as a ram expansion, or something.
Flip it to Auto and power up with no drives connected. It might take a while because it's attempting to scan the SCSI bus, but eventually you should get a "Insert Workbench disk" screen.
Also try accessing the "both mouse buttons" early startup menu - just to make sure it's showing up there, and reported as working correctly.
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The jumper should be on Auto. I suspect it was on DIS because the previous owner it was mentioned had an accelerator in there that the drives were connected to. I assume they disabled the SCSI boot function on the A2091 and were just using it as a ram expansion, or something.
Flip it to Auto and power up with no drives connected. It might take a while because it's attempting to scan the SCSI bus, but eventually you should get a "Insert Workbench disk" screen.
Also try accessing the "both mouse buttons" early startup menu - just to make sure it's showing up there, and reported as working correctly.
Unless something is badly wrong with the drive, he should be able to pop in a wb3.1 install disk and it should boot the floppy, then he can use hdtoolbox to redo the HD,then reinstall workbench maybe.
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Just a wild thought... is the A2091 in the first expansion slot left of the power supply? If not, insert there and try again...
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Unless something is badly wrong with the drive, he should be able to pop in a wb3.1 install disk and it should boot the floppy, then he can use hdtoolbox to redo the HD,then reinstall workbench maybe.
I have an A2000 that used to take over a minute to start the boot process. For that first minute it simply looked dead. While I attributed this to the accelerator (Supra Turbo28), I never did figure out the delay. Eventually, it started booting faster on its own, or I have become more patient (NOT).
Point is Brian, if you think you have everything configured correctly, give it a minute (Unless you smell the smoke leaking out. ;))
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Just a wild thought... is the A2091 in the first expansion slot left of the power supply? If not, insert there and try again...
Maybe that was my delay! Doh!
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The jumper should be on Auto. I suspect it was on DIS because the previous owner it was mentioned had an accelerator in there that the drives were connected to. I assume they disabled the SCSI boot function on the A2091 and were just using it as a ram expansion, or something.
Flip it to Auto and power up with no drives connected. It might take a while because it's attempting to scan the SCSI bus, but eventually you should get a "Insert Workbench disk" screen.
Also try accessing the "both mouse buttons" early startup menu - just to make sure it's showing up there, and reported as working correctly.
Hi with no drives attached and the jumper on AUTO the insert workbench screen comes up and if I go into boot options it said DFO Enabled ,and DF1 Enabled
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Hi with no drives attached and the jumper on AUTO the insert workbench screen comes up and if I go into boot options it said DFO Enabled ,and DF1 Enabled
This machine has Kickstart 3.1 ROM, correct? What does it say under "Expansion Board Diagnostic" in the early startup menu?
Also, what ROM version is on the A2091? (two chips, near the top, labeled BOOT ROMS U12 & U13)
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Brian, just for the heck of it, if you're a member over at EAB, you can download and create a bootable ADF of SysInfo v3.24 from the Zone - you have to logon to get the file. It may help since your floppys are working.
Just asking again... what ROM version is on the A2091? Sorry if you already answered.
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This machine has Kickstart 3.1 ROM, correct? What does it say under "Expansion Board Diagnostic" in the early startup menu?
Also, what ROM version is on the A2091? (two chips, near the top, labeled BOOT ROMS U12 & U13)
u12 v.592 288.c 390508-02
u13 v.5 92 390508-02
and Diagnostic both working
and 3.1 roms
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What happens when you set the board to auto with the hard drive and cable disconnected (nothing attached to the board)?
Hi the workbench screen comes up
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Brian, just for the heck of it, if you're a member over at EAB, you can download and create a bootable ADF of SysInfo v3.24 from the Zone - you have to logon to get the file. It may help since your floppys are working.
Just asking again... what ROM version is on the A2091? Sorry if you already answered.
u 12 v.592 288c
39050902
u13 39050802
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Okay, so, the 5.92 ROM's in the A2091 are pretty old. I can't remember the exact details, but it may be that they don't work with Kickstart 3.1. It sounds like the card itself is working, though, since it shows up in the Early Startup menu, correct?
You can get a set of the latest 7.0 boot ROM's over on Amibay for around $20, or they show up on ebay pretty frequently. Might not hurt to have "the latest and greatest".
Like the others have suggested though, download a copy of SysInfo and try running that. It might help avoid ambiguity if you're able to post pics of some screenshots (even just point a camera phone at the screen might help, LOL). ;)
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Okay, so, the 5.92 ROM's in the A2091 are pretty old. I can't remember the exact details, but it may be that they don't work with Kickstart 3.1. It sounds like the card itself is working, though, since it shows up in the Early Startup menu, correct?
You can get a set of the latest 7.0 boot ROM's over on Amibay for around $20, or they show up on ebay pretty frequently. Might not hurt to have "the latest and greatest".
Like the others have suggested though, download a copy of SysInfo and try running that. It might help avoid ambiguity if you're able to post pics of some screenshots (even just point a camera phone at the screen might help, LOL). ;)
Ok thank you
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Okay, so, the 5.92 ROM's in the A2091 are pretty old. I can't remember the exact details, but it may be that they don't work with Kickstart 3.1. It sounds like the card itself is working, though, since it shows up in the Early Startup menu, correct?
You can get a set of the latest 7.0 boot ROM's over on Amibay for around $20, or they show up on ebay pretty frequently. Might not hurt to have "the latest and greatest".
Like the others have suggested though, download a copy of SysInfo and try running that. It might help avoid ambiguity if you're able to post pics of some screenshots (even just point a camera phone at the screen might help, LOL). ;)
I found some more details. Version 7.0 roms are needed for drives over 1 Gig in size. This page has some more info including jumper config: http://www.bigbookofamigahardware.com/bboah/product.aspx?id=1161
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I found some more details. Version 7.0 roms are needed for drives over 1 Gig in size. This page has some more info including jumper config: http://www.bigbookofamigahardware.com/bboah/product.aspx?id=1161
Nice digging! I know for a fact that when I was trying to get mine going that I was using a 4GB HDD. Now I HAVE to dig out my A2091 and check the ROM version! :lol:
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if you need rev. 7 roms i have some.
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if you need rev. 7 roms i have some.
Man, I wish you still had your webpage. I needed some Rev. 7 ROM's for another project and had to order them all the way from Europe. Got anything else you're holding back on? ;) lol
After 7 pages of comments on this thread I can't seem to get away from, I think we've hit the nail on the head. I don't recall Brian posting what model or size hard drive he's trying to use, but putting my Sherlock Holmes hat on, I'd say that that's maybe why the 2091 isn't seeing the drive attached to it now. It's old ROM version isn't working with a more modern drive? I bet you get these upgrade ROM's might just solve your problems! ;)
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Best I can tell:
Rev 5.92 ROM's
HDD: Quantum - SE21S011 - 2.1GB SCSI 50PIN 5400RPM
SCSI: WDC V-08 (?)
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Man, I wish you still had your webpage. I needed some Rev. 7 ROM's for another project and had to order them all the way from Europe. Got anything else you're holding back on? ;) lol
After 7 pages of comments on this thread I can't seem to get away from, I think we've hit the nail on the head. I don't recall Brian posting what model or size hard drive he's trying to use, but putting my Sherlock Holmes hat on, I'd say that that's maybe why the 2091 isn't seeing the drive attached to it now. It's old ROM version isn't working with a more modern drive? I bet you get these upgrade ROM's might just solve your problems! ;)
Hi I hope you are right but I do have a harddrive that was fitted when I bought the A2000 which is spinning up ,but I am afraid that does not show up, and that one is a DSAS-3360 350MB Its the one that appeared dead but came back to life probably because the jumpers were not right ,best wishes Brian. ps I have pm mechy :):):):)
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Hi I hope you are right but I do have a harddrive that was fitted when I bought the A2000 which is spinning up ,but I am afraid that does not show up, and that one is a DSAS-3360 350MB Its the one that appeared dead but came back to life probably because the jumpers were not right ,best wishes Brian. ps I have pm mechy :):):):)
I haven't searched for the revision history of your version 5.92 rom for the A2091 (you can probably find it!), but, I'd be willing to bet that it dates back to the early days of hard drives, before 2.1Gig or maybe even before 350MB sizes were available or common. Remember, it took V7.0 to allow enough address range to access drives larger than 1Gig (1000MB). Besides, you described the drive as "IBM DSAS-3540 84G8396 Apple ROM 350MB 3.5 50 Pin SCSI Hard Drive". It appears that drive was latter brought over from a Mac (and interfaced to the accelerator?) by the previous owner. I really doubt it was the drive originally sold with the A2091.
On the bright side, after you get the new roms, you will have 2 drives that can be run in your A2000 (if there is space in the machine, and, you jumper each to unique SCSI addresses). Also, don't be too fast to reformat that 350MB drive, it probably has some applications that you don't already have.
Just for grins, did you get an accelerator with this A2000? Which one? Do you intend to re-install CD drive? What other cards, peripherals came with it?
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Man, I wish you still had your webpage. I needed some Rev. 7 ROM's for another project and had to order them all the way from Europe. Got anything else you're holding back on? ;) lol
After 7 pages of comments on this thread I can't seem to get away from, I think we've hit the nail on the head. I don't recall Brian posting what model or size hard drive he's trying to use, but putting my Sherlock Holmes hat on, I'd say that that's maybe why the 2091 isn't seeing the drive attached to it now. It's old ROM version isn't working with a more modern drive? I bet you get these upgrade ROM's might just solve your problems! ;)
I have pretty much everything i had on the store. Tons of scsi cables,terminators,new 68010's,zips,dips,44pin ide cables,40 pin ide cables,33c93a scsi chips,oscillators,you name it ;) if you ar ein need of something, let me know :)
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I have pretty much everything i had on the store. Tons of scsi cables,terminators,new 68010's,zips,dips,44pin ide cables,40 pin ide cables,33c93a scsi chips,oscillators,you name it ;) if you ar ein need of something, let me know :)
Shoot, I just bought a 68010 and a 33c93a from ebay in China a month ago. Will email you first, next time I have a project! You don't happen to have any 1Mx4 60ns DIP's for a VXL*30, do you? I've been looking for those for about two years. ;)
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Shoot, I just bought a 68010 and a 33c93a from ebay in China a month ago. Will email you first, next time I have a project! You don't happen to have any 1Mx4 60ns DIP's for a VXL*30, do you? I've been looking for those for about two years. ;)
i have the 60ns 1Mx4 zips.. $1.80ea, just pm me with what you need.
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I haven't searched for the revision history of your version 5.92 rom for the A2091 (you can probably find it!), but, I'd be willing to bet that it dates back to the early days of hard drives, before 2.1Gig or maybe even before 350MB sizes were available or common. Remember, it took V7.0 to allow enough address range to access drives larger than 1Gig (1000MB). Besides, you described the drive as "IBM DSAS-3540 84G8396 Apple ROM 350MB 3.5 50 Pin SCSI Hard Drive". It appears that drive was latter brought over from a Mac (and interfaced to the accelerator?) by the previous owner. I really doubt it was the drive originally sold with the A2091.
On the bright side, after you get the new roms, you will have 2 drives that can be run in your A2000 (if there is space in the machine, and, you jumper each to unique SCSI addresses). Also, don't be too fast to reformat that 350MB drive, it probably has some applications that you don't already have.
Just for grins, did you get an accelerator with this A2000? Which one? Do you intend to re-install CD drive? What other cards, peripherals came with it?
Hi and no the Accelerator did not come with it and I want to reconnect the cd player ,and that should be fun lol and no other boards present but if she will run I will start building her up with extra accessories and mem ,and maybe a nice accelerator lol and a huge thank you to everyone for there help I truly appreciate it ,very best wishes Brian.:laughing::laughing:
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Hi,well I have got my roms on the way from mechy,i also have a TrueIDE (https://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=1203) from Amigakit bescause I am still toying with the idea of the Buddha when ones available ,I have CF card drives in both My A1200 and A600 and they both are extremely fast,just need to make my mind up
and a huge thank you to every one for there help ,I am truly grateful to you all ,very best wishes Brian.:):):):):):):)
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if you need rev. 7 roms i have some.
Hi received Roms safely thank you so much ,I have not fitted them yet ,but I will in a few days time when I finish work for the Christmas holidays .so thanks again very best wishes Brian.
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Schweeeeet! Take your time and be observant while you're performing your upgrades! :rtfm: Report back! :)
I hope to have time to install all my new Miggy 2K parts soon! They are taunting me!
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I hope to have time to install all my new Miggy 2K parts soon! They are taunting me!
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I see your A2000, Gizmo, and I raise you a second one. If I ever have time for it. ;)
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I see your A2000, Gizmo, and I raise you a second one. If I ever have time for it. ;)
HAHAHAHAHA! Excellent Mike! I see your second A2000 and call! Hmmm, I may be getting in deep here! :laugh1:
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Hey Brian.... what's going on with your A2K? Need us to send over some techs? :)
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Hey Brian.... what's going on with your A2K? Need us to send over some techs? :)
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Hi ,lol not yet my friend ,just that I have to break off for a short while to repair the plumbing that I keep putting off lol I hate plumbing which is strange really as I have been a Heating engineer for a few years ,but back to my A2000 shortly ,so I will be sure to let you all know ,thanks for the offer of techs ,lol but I am sure I must be moving up the ranks with all the knowledge you guys have passed on to me lol ,best wishes Brian.:):):):):) ps Dig the pic lol lol
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I see your A2000, Gizmo, and I raise you a second one. If I ever have time for it. ;)
Hi Mike
Since Brian is off on a priority plumbing project, :) I was curious about your 2nd A2000. Do you intend it to be a mirror of the 1st one, or, are you going to expand it differently for some other purpose?
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Hi Mike
Since Brian is off on a priority plumbing project, :) I was curious about your 2nd A2000. Do you intend it to be a mirror of the 1st one, or, are you going to expand it differently for some other purpose?
Ha, funny! I might build it up like my first one, so I can have one at home and one at the office, maybe stripping a few of the parts from my A500 to do so, or maybe I'll build it more for games, or maybe I'll just build it up and sell it, I've got a friend of a friend who's been bugging me that they want an Amiga for months, lol. ;)
One thing's for sure, whenever I get around to working on it, I want to shoot a video of doing so. It drives me absolutely bonkers how many threads we get on this site like "How do I install Workbench 3.1", "How do I install Workbench 3.9", etc., that I want to shoot a video of doing all those sorts of things. So instead of trying to answer the same questions over and over I could just post a link to YouTube! :lol:
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PS - @gizmo350 - I totally just stole your picture and reposted it on my Facebook. Thanks! :lol:
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Hi just a quick update ,whilst I take a break from plumbing ,I managed to fit the roms ok ,and booted up with just the harddrive and one floppy connected and I am afraid no drive showed up ,I even tried just the harddrive as that has os 3.5 but nothing again only the floppy screen ,so I think I will buy a Buddha from Amigakit as I already have a new TrueIDE and loads of cf cards which I would prefer ,giving the noise that one of the other drives makes which is being returned ,I am not sure this option is the best one, but both my A1200 and A600 run off cf cards and they run wonderfully well ,so as soon as Amigakit have sorted me a Buddha out ,I will buy one ,best wishes Brian:):):)
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Hi just a quick update ,whilst I take a break from plumbing ,I managed to fit the roms ok ,and booted up with just the harddrive and one floppy connected and I am afraid no drive showed up ,I even tried just the harddrive as that has os 3.5 but nothing again only the floppy screen ,so I think I will buy a Buddha from Amigakit as I already have a new TrueIDE and loads of cf cards which I would prefer ,giving the noise that one of the other drives makes which is being returned ,I am not sure this option is the best one, but both my A1200 and A600 run off cf cards and they run wonderfully well ,so as soon as Amigakit have sorted me a Buddha out ,I will buy one ,best wishes Brian:):):)
I haven't been following this thread closely, but I wouldn't be giving up so easily on your SCSI setup. SCSI is a faster solution for slow computers, and your A2000 definitely falls into this category. Plus, learning all this stuff will become useful to you, and it's all part of the experience.
There's plenty of people here to help you, so there's no need to worry about getting stuck on anything. :)
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I haven't been following this thread closely, but I wouldn't be giving up so easily on your SCSI setup. SCSI is a faster solution for slow computers, and your A2000 definitely falls into this category. Plus, learning all this stuff will become useful to you, and it's all part of the experience.
There's plenty of people here to help you, so there's no need to worry about getting stuck on anything. :)
Hi thanks for your reply ,and you are right I have had loads of help which I appreciate and I have learned quite a lot along the way and enjoyed it no end ,but its not a case of giving up ,I really would like a Buddha to go with my new TrueIDE from Amigakit and that would still leave me with options ,as I still need an accelerator ,which reminds me you helped me no end with setting the accelerator up on my Amiga 600 which I was so grateful for and she sure is quick now and works a treat ,best wishes Brian.:):)
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An IDE interface decreases the skill set required to get a storage drive (CF or HDD) working on an Amiga, but it is in no way the "Magic Bullet." I would suggest that once you have a working A2000, go back and revisit the SCSI issue; retro computers are also a way of learning something new from something old (and please, in that line, the space comes after the comma -- some of us have OCD). :)
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An IDE interface decreases the skill set required to get a storage drive (CF or HDD) working on an Amiga, but it is in no way the "Magic Bullet." I would suggest that once you have a working A2000, go back and revisit the SCSI issue; retro computers are also a way of learning something new from something old (and please, in that line, the space comes after the comma -- some of us have OCD). :)
Hi I have every intention at having another go at the SCSI issue; but having purchased one SCSI drive which was extremely expensive and the other came with the A 2000 as being both very noisy, I feel that my way forward may be with the Cf card, and after seeing how new technology turned my A12. and A600 in to two beautiful joy to use retro computers whilst still retaining the retro and keeping the Amiga alive, I don't see this as a cop out but a means of continuing a wonderful hobby even with limited knowledge, as you must agree , I certainly have, so a Magic bullet I don't look for but the Magic of using all my Amiga's is more than I could ever have expected when I first started off, and I owe a huge thanks to folk on this forum for that, so on we go, very best wishes Brian.:):):):)