The Birth of a Motherboard

[amigamad]

I don't believe I've actually built a single computer in the last 5 years that needed more than one PCI slot and that was usually for a network card.

But some of us like to have proper sound cards and  tv cards and maybe the network card if one is not on board.I dont like onboard sound . :-)

[System]

@Amigamad,

The network card is on board, so

1 tv card
1 sound card
= 2 PCI slots

The Pegasos II has 3 PCI slots, so you have one left over for something else.  What's the big deal?

[redrumloa]

I don't want to run MorphOS.

Don't knock it until you try it :-)

[A3KOne]

Hi Red... someone replied to my post without flaming me... what a concept

I am more than willing to try MorphOS, but it is not reason enough for me to shell out $1000 to buy a system.
That will take OS4 compatibility.

I don't care who comes up with the agreement or what the terms are.
If OS4 runs on Pegasos II, I buy it.
If it does not, I don't.

It is really that simple.
There are many other Amiga users like myself, I would imagine.
I am intrigued by MorphOS.
It looks nice.
I don't live close enough to anywhere to go see it presented and I am not buying it based on screengrabs and biased hearsay.
I like Amiga OS and I know I will like OS4.

Morphos?  I don't know it.... I didn't experience it for years.

I *might* grow to like it, or I might love it after the first try, but the economy is not good enough for me to toss $1000 up a hog's @$$ with a hope and a prayer.

The two sides could easily come to terms and get OS4 running on Pegasos in short order... if only they weren't so hell bent on destroying what is left of the Amiga community first.

[itix]

it is not reason enough for me to shell out $1000 to buy a system.

1000$? Full system costs maybe 600 euro. And if you dont like it you
can throw Pegasos mobo away. You lose 300 euros though... :-D

[A3KOne]

1000$? Full system costs maybe 600 euro.

Thank you to Dale Carnegie for helping me not flame.
According to the pegasosPPC web site the motherboard and PPC module sell for $598 US not including shipping.
Add to that ample ram, a good gfx card, beefy HD, floppy, catweasel, CDRW & DVD.
If you can buy it for the extras for $2 and get free shipping.... wow.

PegasosPPC.com

[downix]

@Ak3One

As the guy that helped set up the website, the entry-level Pegasos starts at $349.83.

Please check again:


http://www.pegasosppc.com/store.php
item #2 is the entry-level Pegasos, and neither unit costs $598.

[A3KOne]

As the guy that helped set up the website, the entry-level Pegasos starts at $349.83.

And an Atari 2600 starts at around $5.
I am not running out to replace my Xbox...

Even if I wanted a 600Mhz G3, it would still cost more than $600 to build a complete system...
and I will need another monitor.
Preferably a flat panel.

Nice website... I think I complimented it down the thread.
$600 is barely enough to build a decent spec Athlon linux box.
If I build a machine around the Peg, it will be around the Peg.  The cards and expansions I select will likely be different from what I would use with a linux box or wintel crate due to drivers and such.
So if I chose the underpowered G3@600.... it is $750 up a hog's @$$.
Big savings if I toss it in the dumpster.

1Ghz G4.... we are finally starting to get somewhere.

Now get OS4 running on it and I will be interested.
I might even buy a G3 version for a network connection in the den.
Without OS4, it might as well be a $350 paperweight as far as I can see... and I am sure others feel the same.

[downix]

@A3KOne

For curiosity, what does OS4 offer you over and above MorphOS, anyways?

[A3KOne]

For curiosity, what does OS4 offer you over and above MorphOS, anyways?

A whole lot... or maybe nothing.  That is the problem.

Familiarity for starters... It is the heir to OS3.x, which I am more than very comfortable with.
It is not about Amiga v/s anything.
AmigaOS 4 is  exactly what it says it is... it is Amiga OS 4.  It is an upgrade to my favorite existing OS.
Morphos is an alternative operating system with the Abox Amiga compatible API.  I don't know it.
Can I open a shell and ed:startup-sequence?
Is it structured with devs and prefs and libs, etc?
Those are just a couple of a thousand possible questions in comparing the two.

If I could run OS4 on Pegasos, then there would be an opportunity for me to try MorphOS without having risked my hard earned money for a chance to try something that looks "interesting."
I would buy it to run AmigaOS, and if MorphOS provided me with a better computing experience, I would likely migrate... or dual boot at the least.

When I go to the casinos I play nickel slots.
When I bet on sports I play $10 parlays.
$583 ante is too rich for my blood.

Fair enough or should I go on?

[downix]

@A3KOne

But you do know it.  From a structure and operational standpoint, the two are identical. So that means, yes, you open up a shell and ed:startup-sequence.  It needed to copy everything about the directory and API structure of AmigaOS or else it would never have worked.

Where do you live that a Pegasos demonstration is not nearby?

[legion]

@downix:

How about North Dakota?  :shocked:

btw, still.. uh.. waiting on that t-shirt thingie...   :-D

[A3KOne]

Where do you live that a Pegasos demonstration is not nearby?

North Central Mississippi.
I cannot drive 14 hours to see an OS be presented.
Even two hours would be difficult as I am a retail manager working 50+ hours weekly with Christmas looming ahead.

Running under "Abox," I don't doubt that MorphOS is likely very Amiga-like as it was designed to be a copy.

Often, copies are not as good as the originals;  On MorphOS' website, they state that the Abox is there until Qbox is finished and then that will be the focus.
Sounds like they are luring me in with Coke-a-Cola and planning on changing to "New Coke."  I may like New Coke...or I may think that it is worse than Diet Shasta with saccarin..

I will not risk my hard earned money on a maybe.
I have that choice.
That is one of the ideals MorphOS is about, isn't it?  Choice?
To deny a user the right to choose AmigaOS as his operating system defys that which MorphOS was built upon in the first place.

I tip my hat to Pegasos... it appears to be a fine product... but if OS4 doesn't run on it, I will never know.
Morphos may be awesome...I will probably never know.

For the many  Amigans like myself, we will never try MorphOS unless Pegasos gets OS4.

I will likely not buy an AmigaOne as it is overpriced and under featured...again it is a decision based on rational thought, not fanaticism or hatred of "the name."

Unless AmigaOne is updated or Peg runs AmigaOS, it is likely the next avenue many of us take will be something non Amiga.
Everybody loses.

If either Hyperion or Thendic wanted OS4 on Pegasos, it would happen.

[Hammer]

For curiosity, what does OS4 offer you over and above MorphOS, anyways?

Perhaps “AmigaOS 4.0” compatibility as oppose to AmigaOS 3.x…

Using a past example ;
Path A: Windows 3.11 -> Windows 9x/Windows NT 4 -> Windows NT 5.x (2K/XP/2K3). Carries the "MS Windows" brand name.

Path B: Windows 3.11-> OS/2 Warp 4.x.

In terms of features and services of 32bit era X86 OS, both OS/2 Warp and Windows NT4.0 offer similar services and features. Both has Win16 compatibility**. The issue is related to what level of “pedigree” does the successor has to the past.

Brand names usually promotes a product to be “inelastic” (referring to demand curve) in a particlar market place.

**With third party add-on OS/2 Warp can also obtain Win32 compatibility.

[downix]

@Hammer

Actually as of OS/2 v 4.0 and later, Win32 compatibility is included off-the-shelf.  And Even for 3.x it was availible as a download option from IBM itself.  Only Win9x compatibility is not included stock, and not because it can't be done but because of licensing issues.  However, there is a 3rd party add-on to enable even this.  (I loved playing Quake2 on OS/2 faster than my friends could on Win98)