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Offline psxphill

Re: Toni Wilen adding PPC emulation in WinUAE?
« on: August 03, 2014, 08:54:55 AM »
Quote from: magnetic;770153
If they had gone the route of the morphos team there would be alot more os4 users. Possibly

The Amithlon approach was the best approach, buying an old PowerPC Mac is expensive and you then are stuck with another piece of hardware.
 

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Re: Toni Wilen adding PPC emulation in WinUAE?
« Reply #1 on: August 03, 2014, 12:43:17 PM »
Quote from: JJ;770165
ummmmmmmmm no it isn't

They are going for over £40 here for a g5 powermac, double that for a g4 MacBook. I haven't checked these are supported by morphos because I'd need to find somewhere to put it and it's already too expensive to then add the cost of morphos on the top.
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Re: Toni Wilen adding PPC emulation in WinUAE?
« Reply #2 on: August 03, 2014, 07:50:43 PM »
Quote from: Linde;770186
but compare the price to the existing options you have of running Amiga OS 4

That doesn't help. If the cost of the hardware is > 0 in terms of money and space, it's too expensive.
 

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Re: Toni Wilen adding PPC emulation in WinUAE?
« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2014, 10:05:01 AM »
Quote from: wawrzon;770199
Os4 doesnt need amiga hardware, on the contrary it depends on standard hardware and has been particularly ported to support amiga chipset. If anybody wanted it would be easier to use plain ppc emu alone instead trying to fit it within uae.

Adding it to uae makes sense as there are old amiga software that uses the ppc as well. For running OS4 in it's best configuration then an amiga probably isn't the best choice, but it's likely to be the easiest.
 
There is no such thing as "standard hardware" even in the PC world, you either make hardware that is compatible with some hardware that there is already a driver for or you write drivers to make the operating systems work with your hardware.
 
Whatever hardware you emulate it's got to be one of the specific configurations that os4 already runs on. Unless you're also going to start hacking os4.
 
Making a ppc emulator that interfaces directly to the hardware would be interesting, but without an operating system and an abstraction layer then you'll suffer the same lack of drivers that plagues hackintosh and to a lesser extent Linux.
 

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Re: Toni Wilen adding PPC emulation in WinUAE?
« Reply #4 on: August 04, 2014, 12:32:31 PM »
Quote from: xeno74;770241
This could be a big chance for Cloanto. Cloanto could offer an Amiga Forever with an OS4.1 Classic image. This would be a sensation.

It could be, it could also destroy the business model as without overpriced hardware there is no money for future OS4 development.
 
Once OS4 development has finished it will make a lot of sense though.
 

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Re: Toni Wilen adding PPC emulation in WinUAE?
« Reply #5 on: August 07, 2014, 06:46:08 AM »
Quote from: persia;770521
How does it handle the X86_64 cores? Say you only have two cores and you run it, will you get a 2 core PPC emulation?

 What do you mean by "it"? A lot of emulators run everything using a single core.
 

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Re: Toni Wilen adding PPC emulation in WinUAE?
« Reply #6 on: August 08, 2014, 06:49:38 PM »
Quote from: bloodline;770587
Then it will just be up to Hyperion to release an update/patch to detect that their OS is running in an Emulator and refuse to boot.

What if someone writes an emulator that isn't detectable? 100% compatibility means that software cannot tell they aren't running on real hardware.
 

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Re: Toni Wilen adding PPC emulation in WinUAE?
« Reply #7 on: August 10, 2014, 04:29:14 PM »
Quote from: kamelito;770662
If they wanted to do it they would have given Tony all the details they have about the PPC classic HW and not have let him do reverse engineering IMHO.

If they wanted to do it they'd just do it. I never looked at PowerUP/WarpUP/AmigaOS 4 on classic PPC, but they might not know enough about the hardware to emulate it properly 100% anyway. Of course they have better things to do with their time than help someone write an emulator when their business model is purely based around selling high priced hardware.
 

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Re: Toni Wilen adding PPC emulation in WinUAE?
« Reply #8 on: September 19, 2014, 07:37:08 PM »
Quote from: itix;773390
Unfortunately PowerUP and WarpUP kernels have even less interesting exclusive titles to run than NG Amigas. Most if not all games support 68k only systems and in WinUAE the speed is not your ambition to run PPC native tools. So you are mostly limited to PPC demos. Which is not bad itself because they should run better on WinUAE (no context switches).

Wipeout 2097

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KytCnmWNnsU
 
 It's mostly applications though.